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Seasoned Cpmpetitors: question on cytomel

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I have my first show in exactly 8 weeks. I started my diet 4 weeks ago and all is going well, I'm pretty much on-target. I needs to know the best way to incorporate Cytomel into my preparation. Should I start it now or is it to soon? Thanks for the help Bro's.
 
usage at this point is dependant on bodyfat and which drugs you intend to use for the next 4-6 weeks.... cytomel can canabolize muscle if used improperly... or if calories are not right.... give us your stats.
 
As of today, 5'7" @193( morning weight) BF must be around 9% or so. My abs are in, serratus(sp) starting to show and most of the fat in my mid section is disappearing quickly. I'm now taking 300mg's prop + 200mgs Cyp/ week, 150mgs Tren EOD. will start winny at 50mgs eod this week. Taking Clens 2 weeks on/2 off(eca) until last 4 weeks. Also 4iu daily of GH. At this point, I feel like I 've lost no muscle at all, but I probably have lost some. I plan on adjusting dosages as I see fit. also diet is on point with 160-180g carbs/day (Br. rice, yams,Oatmeal) and 350-400g protein daily. Fat intake is minimal other than Flax and other unsaturated fat. If you need any more info ask, I think I covered most of it.
 
Start in a week or so...T3 can make you look extremely flat so make sure you don't end up getting that feeling right before your show.
 
it really depends on the quantiity of t3 you plan on taking, i would start a doseage of 12.5 mcg a day now and up it to a MAX of 25mcg, it would be nice if you'd done it before and knew how yor body reacts to it. I do not going over 25mcg unelss you're competing hardcore, most of the competitive bbers that i help i don't let them go high on t3 at all.



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E2 said:
it really depends on the quantiity of t3 you plan on taking, i would start a doseage of 12.5 mcg a day now and up it to a MAX of 25mcg, it would be nice if you'd done it before and knew how yor body reacts to it. I do not going over 25mcg unelss you're competing hardcore, most of the competitive bbers that i help i don't let them go high on t3 at all.
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hmm. I was gonna follow Lobo's and Cycleons idea of a short ramp up and long ramp down but that goes as high as 150mcg. Do you disagree with this type of schedule? :confused:
 
yes i disagree wholeheatedly wiht that schedule, some use it with great success, but when it comes to thyroid i don't fuck around, i know a few people who have permanently fucked themselves up using t3.

i see no reason why anyone would need more than 25mcg/day unless you're a SERIOUS competitor, and i mean national level.

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Thanks E2-
I'll start at 12.5mcg a day and see what happens then I'll taper it up and then back down. I will probably do 3 weeks at 12.5 then 3 at 25mcg then start tapering down. We'll see how it works out.
 
E2 said:
yes i disagree wholeheatedly wiht that schedule, some use it with great success, but when it comes to thyroid i don't fuck around, i know a few people who have permanently fucked themselves up using t3.

i see no reason why anyone would need more than 25mcg/day unless you're a SERIOUS competitor, and i mean national level.

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WOW :eek2: that's news to me. And I was planning on running that cycle too. That's good info bro thanx.

BigA - what are your thoughts on this?
 
thats news to me also. My last T3 cycle went up to 100mcg. After 8 weeks my bloodwork showed my thyroid was totally recovered and I never experienced a crash, meaning it didnt take long for it to recover. Im hoping that since my body reacted to it pretty good the first time then this time around I should be alright also. I'd like to hear more on this.
 
i ramped up to 75 mcg on my first cycle and ramped down twice as slow... my levels and recovery were fine,,,, i did not go on for longer than 30 days.. however..
 
I must say that most people will not see any problems properly ramping up to 100mcg or more and then of course properly coming back down. You most likely will not experience problems, however, thyroid as we know will burn muscle as well as fat, as well the possiblility of fuckign thigs up is there, and once it's gone it's gone forever, like your kidneys.

There are tiems to take risks and times not to. There are much better and safer ways to burn fat. 25mcg is the highest dose i personally will recommend to anyone.

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"W that's news to me. And I was planning on running that cycle too. That's good info bro thanx.

BigA - what are your thoughts on this?"


I'm considered the T3 guru and I agree with E2, I will never use more than 12.5mcg a day.

I've done heavier cycles and the risks outweight the benefits when it comes to this drug.

I was 5'9 205lbs now I'm 5'9 240 lbs(fat)

It is mostly my fault, but the T3 is unforgiving...you can't fuck up with diet and cardio post cycle.

Overall, if your gonna do it all the way...

keep the doses between 50-100mcg and do it quiclky!!! No more than 5-6 weeks. 4 would be better.
 
I found this T-3 taper cycle on the women's board. This is a woman that did this cycle so now i'm really confused. Here it is:
t-3: Day Dosage
1-3 50mcg/day
4-6 75mcg/day
7-9 100mcg/day
10-12 123mcg/day
13-15 150mcg/day
16-21 175mcg/day
22-24 150mcg/day
25-27 125mcg/day
28-30 112.5mcg/day
31-33 100mcg/day
34-36 87.5mcg/day
37-39 75mcg/day
40-42 62.5mcg/day
43-45 50mcg/day
46-48 37.5mcg/day
49-51 25mcg/day
52-57 12.5mcg/day
 
yea that's what I was gonna do. Warlobo and Cycleon have preached that way for a while so I'm totally confused also
 
Themachine01 -"I have read many times that 25mcg of T3 is not enough to burn fat. "

-where, post it to help clear up confusion.




BigAndy69 -
"I'm considered the T3 guru and I agree with E2, I will never use more than 12.5mcg a day.

I've done heavier cycles and the risks outweight the benefits when it comes to this drug.

I was 5'9 205lbs now I'm 5'9 240 lbs(fat)

It is mostly my fault, but the T3 is unforgiving...you can't fuck up with diet and cardio post cycle.

Overall, if your gonna do it all the way...

keep the doses between 50-100mcg and do it quiclky!!! No more than 5-6 weeks. 4 would be better. "



- good post, so what would you recomend for a low dose cycle?
*also - what would you recomend for someone not on gear?


Thanks.
 
I just completed my first show. Did pretty well, and also used T-3. I never went over 50mcg a day and ramped up and then down as well. All along though I kept taking HGH which I really think helped me drop body fat than anything else. Raina posted my pics for me so do a search and check them out, and let me know what you think. One other word of advice, stay away from dieuretics before your show. I tried 40mg of lasix a day and could hardly handle the cramps.
 
I dont remember where I read that 25mcg is not enough to help burn fat, but I definately remember reading it somewhere. I dont have time right now to go searching around for the info to post it. BigAndy, can you clear this up? 25mcg is a low dose at which I dont believe it will make a noticeable difference even if diet is on point.

BA, you posted :
I'm on my last dose of 25mcg(working up to 50) and at this dose T3 absolutely sucks. What a waste.

I started with 12.5mcg, and I absolutely loved it, I never looked fuller before and I was actually gaining muscle. Muscles were hard.

25mcg sucks, I feel like I've lost 20lbs of muscle but it's just really feeling flat. Everything is soft and I can't get a muscle pump for my life. It's not the low carbs either, I ate a shitload of carbs Saturday and Sunday, and Nothing!!! Just a bloated Stomach.


Your saying that 25mcg sucks, yet E2 recommends it, and I love the results of T3 at 100mcg, so whats the deal?
 
Obviously the drug works differently for different people. We should all know this already, that nothing works the same way for everyone. As far as the dosage goes I have started at 25mcg/day and may increase it if I feel that I need to. I'm also on HGH 4ius daily, do you think this would have an effect on the dosages I can use of t-3, since higher levels of HGH affect the thyroid?
 
I'm going to try to answer everybody,

T3 is not for Fat people. lol Seriously, if you are a a fat person by nature stay the hell away from suppressive doses of T3 (>12.5mcg a day)

The Crash is bad for endomorphs, I thought I could somehow improve my metabolism permanently with T3 but I was dreaming, I should have known better.

Themachine01: Yes, for me 25mcg was a complete waste of time and it absolutely sucked...I had very high energy level on 12.5mcg so I expect to feel even better on 25mcg...I was wrong

Iwan2bsolid2: I went up to 50mcg of T3 with no gear at all...I didn't lose any muscle mass. I was using clen as well.

I recommend a clen/12.5mcg T3/ Liquidex cycle, this is the best fat burning cycle with safety in mind.
 
I see a big debate on how many mcg of cytomel you are taking but I don't think anyone is taking into consideration how many calories or mgs of AS someone is taking which plays a big part in how many mcg of cytomel someone can take in.
 
BigA, nice reply. I like your clen/T3/Liquidex stack - too bad I'm using clen right now cause in a week or so I have to cycle off. I need to start the T3 asap because I only have around 30 left of anavar. I guess I'll add the clen in again after taking a 2 week break.
 
I'm 4 days out from my show and my trainer just had me on 1/4 of a tab 3 times a day, and it started at twice a day, I used more in the past, but he said that is way too much. So E2 is right, you don't need 100 mg a day. It just sucks breaking it up into fourths.
 
GNCMAN said:
I'm 4 days out from my show and my trainer just had me on 1/4 of a tab 3 times a day, and it started at twice a day, I used more in the past, but he said that is way too much. So E2 is right, you don't need 100 mg a day. It just sucks breaking it up into fourths.
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Do you use a special pill cutter or just one from the drug store?
Are all brands of cytomel the same mg?
1/4 of a tab = how many mcg?
 
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Your saying that 25mcg sucks, yet E2 recommends it, and I love the results of T3 at 100mcg, so whats the deal?
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TheMachine01 if you read my first post i said that i would start with 12.5 mcg per day and up it to a MAX of 25mcg, in no way am i recommending 25mcg/day. If you read any of the previous posts i've made on this topic for the past several years you'll see that my reccomendations have always been 12.5mcg/day. No more. There are those who want to go higher and it depends a lot on personal physiology, i would say a MAX dose of 25mcg/day, with the average person using 12.5mcg/day.

There is absolutly no need to ramp up to 100mcg or more per day!!! This is only detrimental to lean mass. The low dose of 12.5 mcg will not shut down or impair your natural thyroid function yet it will at the same time increase your metabolism.

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There is absolutly no need to ramp up to 100mcg or more per day!!! This is only detrimental to lean mass. The low dose of 12.5 mcg will not shut down or impair your natural thyroid function yet it will at the same time increase your metabolism.

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E2, I read a thread in the women's forum where a female took more than 25 mcg per day. Actually I think she revved up to 100 or more per day but she was trying to LOSE MUSCLE. I know this sounds strange for most of us, but I can understand in some ways. I believe she was a fitness competitor and was breaking into modeling and they asked her to lose some muscle.

Scenario 2: My gf was into bodybuilding and now wants to go more of the fitness look. She gained LOTS of muscle QUICK on very little AS (anavar). Although diet is tight and she does tons of cardio, the muscle won't go.

So from what you are saying, 25mcg/day (or slightly higher) can catabolize muscle and that is why you do not recommend it. However in the above 2 cases, would you suggest going up to 25mcg or higher?
 
Enigmaxxx7 yes going over 25mcg per day will catabolize muscle, but why on earth would you want to use drugs to do that. It's easy as hell to get rid of muscle naturally.

1. lower protein intake
2. tons of cardio
3. stop weight training.

I guarantee that within 9 days you will start to see some serious muscle loss on that regimine. Oh i'd back off on the anavar as well. There is no need for drugs always. Why take a chemical when you can achieve the same thing just as easily without the drugs??

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I am still undecided on which T3 cycle I am going to do. I would like to keep it at a safe level and go with 12.5mcg/day but its a bitch splitting my 50mcg tabs into 1/4s. Doing this I am never truly getting the same amount every day. Should I just go with 25mcg and take 1/2 a tab per day?
 
Ok, just recieved my T3 in the mail today :p , Now I have plenty so can someone tell me how long I would want to stay at 12.5mcg before upping it to 25mcg, then how long to run 25mcg, and how to taper off best. Thanks, going to pop one tommorrow morning before morning cardio after I take a shot of my new Viromone amps:p :p :p .


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