SC just brought it up a notch

[nangiggles]

SC will not only drug test for unemployment but they may require community service

SC Senate panel approves unemployment bills - Yahoo! News

The idea is great, you shouldnt get money in exchange for nothing, but what happens to daycare and transportation while doing community service?

 

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[crixus]

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[mrplunkey]

Outstanding start!

 

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Outstanding start!

indeed

 

[Headholio]

I'm against it for 2 reasons. One is the constitutionality, and the second is the motivation. Although I understand the thought of trying to restrict government money from being used to buy drugs, consider this;

1. Drug testing by the government amounts to unreasonable search - a violation of the fourth amendment. Laws similar to this have been struck down in the past for this very reason. Now you might say you don't care, because these people are receiving checks, but I would give you the slippery slope argument. Should the government be able to randomly drug test you because you are a user of public roadways? Should they be able to pat you down if you choose to enjoy a public park? Unreasonable search plain and simple, and we all know how much Republicans love the constitution.

2. The motivation is another attempt at right wing class warfare, to villianize the least fortunate in our society and to chip away at the safety nets that define a civilized people. The law appeals to people who imagine intoxicated minorities lining up for free money. These hate based stereotypes don't match reality. Florida instituted a testing program for a short time before the courts ended it, and only 2.5% tested positive. Remember that these people paid into the unemployment insurance, so it isn't free money.

 

[youpissmeoff]

I'm against it for 2 reasons. One is the constitutionality, and the second is the motivation. Although I understand the thought of trying to restrict government money from being used to buy drugs, consider this;

1. Drug testing by the government amounts to unreasonable search - a violation of the fourth amendment. Laws similar to this have been struck down in the past for this very reason. Now you might say you don't care, because these people are receiving checks, but I would give you the slippery slope argument. Should the government be able to randomly drug test you because you are a user of public roadways? Should they be able to pat you down if you choose to enjoy a public park? Unreasonable search plain and simple, and we all know how much Republicans love the constitution.

Not when it is a condition of a benefit. You don't want food stamps, don't get tested. You are not forced to do anything.

2. The motivation is another attempt at right wing class warfare, to villianize the least fortunate in our society and to chip away at the safety nets that define a civilized people. The law appeals to people who imagine intoxicated minorities lining up for free money. These hate based stereotypes don't match reality. Florida instituted a testing program for a short time before the courts ended it, and only 2.5% tested positive. Remember that these people paid into the unemployment insurance, so it isn't free money.

Class warfare my ass, this is an attempt to reform welfare in order to get people to contribute to society.

Anyone surprised you are against this?

 

[Headholio]

Not when it is a condition of a benefit. You don't want food stamps, don't get tested. You are not forced to do anything.

Way to disregard my argument, but I'll be patient and see if it soaks in. This is not about food stamps it is about unemployment checks, which is insurance that people paid for.
And who will define what "benefits" will result in your forfeiture of rights? Use of highways, parks, the post office? Or maybe since we all get the benefit of national defense, we are all subject to unreasonable search?

Class warfare my ass, this is an attempt to reform welfare in order to get people to contribute to society.

Welfare is also different than unemployment. But the argument is similar. Still unreasonable search.

Anyone surprised you are against this?

It doesn't matter if you are surprised, or if I am against it. What matters to me is that the constitution is against it. Does that matter to you? I hope you are not so blinded by your ideology that you can haphazardly disregard the constitution in favor of mindlessly following "your party".

 

[nangiggles]

I'm against it for 2 reasons. One is the constitutionality, and the second is the motivation. Although I understand the thought of trying to restrict government money from being used to buy drugs, consider this;

1. Drug testing by the government amounts to unreasonable search - a violation of the fourth amendment. Laws similar to this have been struck down in the past for this very reason. Now you might say you don't care, because these people are receiving checks, but I would give you the slippery slope argument. Should the government be able to randomly drug test you because you are a user of public roadways? Should they be able to pat you down if you choose to enjoy a public park? Unreasonable search plain and simple, and we all know how much Republicans love the constitution.

2. The motivation is another attempt at right wing class warfare, to villianize the least fortunate in our society and to chip away at the safety nets that define a civilized people. The law appeals to people who imagine intoxicated minorities lining up for free money. These hate based stereotypes don't match reality. Florida instituted a testing program for a short time before the courts ended it, and only 2.5% tested positive. Remember that these people paid into the unemployment insurance, so it isn't free money.

You forgot to mention that FL only had a 2.5% failure rate HOWEVER they experienced the LOWEST enrollment in history since recession, hence it WAS working since druggies just werent asking for benefits, the 2.5% is just the random assholes who decided to give it a shot anyway...

I like the concept of doing something in exchange for nothing, unemployed Americans regardless of race, gender state, etc are getting use to getting money in exchange for nothing, I think community service is a great way for them to truly "earn" that money, I'm only concerned about the transportation/daycare costs.
As per the "unreasonable search", people are not obligated to continuously take unemployment, if you want it then you follow the rules and drug testing should be a rule, if many of us hard working Americans have to get drug tested for work and we don't whine then I don't see why these people getting FREE money should.

 

[Headholio]

You forgot to mention that FL only had a 2.5% failure rate HOWEVER they experienced the LOWEST enrollment in history since recession, hence it WAS working since druggies just werent asking for benefits, the 2.5% is just the random assholes who decided to give it a shot anyway...

I like the concept of doing something in exchange for nothing, unemployed Americans regardless of race, gender state, etc are getting use to getting money in exchange for nothing, I think community service is a great way for them to truly "earn" that money, I'm only concerned about the transportation/daycare costs.
As per the "unreasonable search", people are not obligated to continuously take unemployment, if you want it then you follow the rules and drug testing should be a rule, if many of us hard working Americans have to get drug tested for work and we don't whine then I don't see why these people getting FREE money should.

- I don't doubt that drug testing in FL had the effect of reducing claims.
- Again, it's not free money it's insurance people pay for.
- People are not obligated to take unemployment? I guess that's true, just like they don't "need" food, or heat in the winter.
- Your point about daycare is a real concern.

I understand both sides of this issue. There might even be some potential positive in it. You can't argue the positives of trashing the constitution however.
I think a lot of people, even democrats, have a knee jerk reaction of thinking this kind of law is so clearly good. I just wanted to highlight some problems with it.

 

[pdaddyII]

I love this idea, god damned free loaders need to at least be mowing my lawn.

 

[youpissmeoff]

- I don't doubt that drug testing in FL had the effect of reducing claims.
- Again, it's not free money it's insurance people pay for.
- People are not obligated to take unemployment? I guess that's true, just like they don't "need" food, or heat in the winter.
- Your point about daycare is a real concern.

I understand both sides of this issue. There might even be some potential positive in it. You can't argue the positives of trashing the constitution however.
I think a lot of people, even democrats, have a knee jerk reaction of thinking this kind of law is so clearly good. I just wanted to highlight some problems with it.

Tell me when you actually ever paid for Unemployment insurance??

 

[SpyWizard]

constitutional????

where in the constitution does it promise that the state or gov will feed/house/provide medical/dental and child care for you??

that's socialism..

 

[binö]

I'm against it for 2 reasons. One is the constitutionality, and the second is the motivation. Although I understand the thought of trying to restrict government money from being used to buy drugs, consider this;

1. Drug testing by the government amounts to unreasonable search - a violation of the fourth amendment. Laws similar to this have been struck down in the past for this very reason. Now you might say you don't care, because these people are receiving checks, but I would give you the slippery slope argument. Should the government be able to randomly drug test you because you are a user of public roadways? Should they be able to pat you down if you choose to enjoy a public park? Unreasonable search plain and simple, and we all know how much Republicans love the constitution.

2. The motivation is another attempt at right wing class warfare, to villianize the least fortunate in our society and to chip away at the safety nets that define a civilized people. The law appeals to people who imagine intoxicated minorities lining up for free money. These hate based stereotypes don't match reality. Florida instituted a testing program for a short time before the courts ended it, and only 2.5% tested positive. Remember that these people paid into the unemployment insurance, so it isn't free money.

bolded is clearly wrong, the employer pays it nothing comes out of your paycheck for UE.

 

[binö]

Tell me when you actually ever paid for Unemployment insurance??

he hasn't, and nor have you or I, the employer pays it.

 

[Headholio]

bolded is clearly wrong, the employer pays it nothing comes out of your paycheck for UE.

Fair enough. You are right, because I have never earned a paycheck in Alaska, New Jersey, or Pennsylvania, where employees do have deductions from their checks directly.
My employer pays it, for me. Part of the cost of having an employee. Quibble quibble.

 

[Headholio]

constitutional????

where in the constitution does it promise that the state or gov will feed/house/provide medical/dental and child care for you??

that's socialism..

Nobody said that. If you don't have the ability to understand what's been posted, its not my job to spoon feed you.

 

[binö]

Fair enough. You are right, because I have never earned a paycheck in Alaska, New Jersey, or Pennsylvania, where employees do have deductions from their checks directly.
My employer pays it, for me. Part of the cost of having an employee. Quibble quibble.

quibble, quibble? it just crushed a good part of your argument, that the money was the employees' and therefore they had a entitlement to it.
now you are left with your motivation arguement, which is more or less that any GOP legislation is inherently racist and wrong, and must be opposed at all costs.

 

[Headholio]

quibble, quibble? it just crushed a good part of your argument, that the money was the employees' and therefore they had a entitlement to it.
now you are left with your motivation arguement, which is more or less that any GOP legislation is inherently racist and wrong, and must be opposed at all costs.

Part one of my argument was constitutionality, not that it was the employees money. That argument stands.
As for the insurance itself, it is insurance, for unemployeed people, and I don't see that the argument changes much if it comes out of my check, or my employer pays it. It's not a general corporate tax, its a tax paid on each employee for their unemployment insurance.

Surpising quibble from a guy who collects unemployment regularly. Are you entitled to it or not? are you entitled to SS? Your employer pays half of that directly.

If you crashed your car, and called your insurance company to pay for damages, would you be ok with them saying they'll pay after they test you for any illegal substances?

Quibble quibble

 

[youpissmeoff]

he hasn't, and nor have you or I, the employer pays it.

Exactly, and when a former employee files it, the employers tax rate goes up. And when he gets extenended, it keeps going up until his account deficit is cleared.

All this with little control over who gets extended insurance. You got people admitting they are taking extended vacations (cough... Lumburgh) while collected unemployment with no desire to go back to work.

You got pockets in the US with severe employment shortages but nobody is showing up for work because they would rather collect unemployment.

All this on the back of the former employer.

 

[cindylou]

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Way to disregard my argument, but I'll be patient and see if it soaks in. This is not about food stamps it is about unemployment checks, which is insurance that people paid for.
And who will define what "benefits" will result in your forfeiture of rights? Use of highways, parks, the post office? Or maybe since we all get the benefit of national defense, we are all subject to unreasonable search?



Welfare is also different than unemployment. But the argument is similar. Still unreasonable search.




It doesn't matter if you are surprised, or if I am against it. What matters to me is that the constitution is against it. Does that matter to you? I hope you are not so blinded by your ideology that you can haphazardly disregard the constitution in favor of mindlessly following "your party".

Lol I completely agree with you. I never was comfortable with the idea of govt drug testing people like that. I don't do drugs, but hell.

 

[mrplunkey]

Part one of my argument was constitutionality, not that it was the employees money. That argument stands.
As for the insurance itself, it is insurance, for unemployeed people, and I don't see that the argument changes much if it comes out of my check, or my employer pays it. It's not a general corporate tax, its a tax paid on each employee for their unemployment insurance.

Surpising quibble from a guy who collects unemployment regularly. Are you entitled to it or not? are you entitled to SS? Your employer pays half of that directly.

If you crashed your car, and called your insurance company to pay for damages, would you be ok with them saying they'll pay after they test you for any illegal substances?

Quibble quibble

1) the government has no business in the unemployment insurance (or pension) business in the first place.

2) if the iprivate car insurance had a clause in the contract I executed with them, then of course I would be ok with a drug test. Otherwise I wouldn't sign the agreement.

It blows my mind how easily people abdicate thier own personal responsibilities and expect government to do it for them.

 

[Headholio]

1) the government has no business in the unemployment insurance (or pension) business in the first place.

We just have to disagree on that. Unemployment Insurance keeps people from starving, is good for America, stabilizes the economy, prevents economic collapse. Plenty of third world countries with no concern for its people if that's what you prefer.

2) if the iprivate car insurance had a clause in the contract I executed with them, then of course I would be ok with a drug test. Otherwise I wouldn't sign the agreement.

There is no clause in the unemployment insurance you and I already earned.

It blows my mind how easily people abdicate thier own personal responsibilities and expect government to do it for them.

Huh?

 

[Mr. dB]

I like the concept of doing something in exchange for nothing, unemployed Americans regardless of race, gender state, etc are getting use to getting money in exchange for nothing, I think community service is a great way for them to truly "earn" that money, I'm only concerned about the transportation/daycare costs.
As per the "unreasonable search", people are not obligated to continuously take unemployment, if you want it then you follow the rules and drug testing should be a rule, if many of us hard working Americans have to get drug tested for work and we don't whine then I don't see why these people getting FREE money should.

Bullshit. Unemployment is INSURANCE that we all paid into. People on unemployment shouldn't be distracted from the primary goal of LOOKING FOR WORK.

 

[binö]

Part one of my argument was constitutionality, not that it was the employees money. That argument stands.
As for the insurance itself, it is insurance, for unemployeed people, and I don't see that the argument changes much if it comes out of my check, or my employer pays it. It's not a general corporate tax, its a tax paid on each employee for their unemployment insurance.

Surpising quibble from a guy who collects unemployment regularly. Are you entitled to it or not? are you entitled to SS? Your employer pays half of that directly.

If you crashed your car, and called your insurance company to pay for damages, would you be ok with them saying they'll pay after they test you for any illegal substances?

Quibble quibble

please stop repeating quibble, it doesn't help your arguement and it sounds gaye.
now no where in this thread did i say what i feel about the drug testing for UE, only that it is not paid into via the employee.
as someone who has collected UE due to the nature of my profession, and also done drugs while collecting (smoked weed), i'm gonna say no i don't agree with testing...UE claims aren't easy to get and you can't get them for getting fired (most of the time)...it is hardship money for otherwise good folks who some how got fuct out of a job due to circumstances beyond their control so i don't see what good testing would do...
now, you asked if i feel entitled...as a healthy male with a variety of work skills (degreed, i know a trade, etc), i feel guilt for collecting the money to be honest...if i couldn't get the money i'd be forced to either live off of my savings (which i have a lot of currently) or find a temp job...but at the same time i am a victim of circumstances beyond my control...i work in forestry and their is too much snow in the hills to work and no winter budget...so i'm mixed about it...btw this is the last year i will be collecting, i got a paygrade increase which puts me into year round employment doing office BS in the winter.

now welfare i think should unquestionably be tested, a 100% handout should come with strings attached.

 

[miplank]

please stop repeating quibble, it doesn't help your arguement and it sounds gaye.
now no where in this thread did i say what i feel about the drug testing for UE, only that it is not paid into via the employee.
as someone who has collected UE due to the nature of my profession, and also done drugs while collecting (smoked weed), i'm gonna say no i don't agree with testing...UE claims aren't easy to get and you can't get them for getting fired (most of the time)...it is hardship money for otherwise good folks who some how got fuct out of a job due to circumstances beyond their control so i don't see what good testing would do...
now, you asked if i feel entitled...as a healthy male with a variety of work skills (degreed, i know a trade, etc), i feel guilt for collecting the money to be honest...if i couldn't get the money i'd be forced to either live off of my savings (which i have a lot of currently) or find a temp job...but at the same time i am a victim of circumstances beyond my control...i work in forestry and their is too much snow in the hills to work and no winter budget...so i'm mixed about it...btw this is the last year i will be collecting, i got a paygrade increase which puts me into year round employment doing office BS in the winter.

now welfare i think should unquestionably be tested, a 100% handout should come with strings attached.

How much is a lot?

 

[binö]

How much is a lot?

bro we are not at the same level, a lot to me is what you pay for a paint job.
got about 15k cash

 

[ceo]

on the subject of unemployment, I agree with headholio.

If the subject were welfare (food stamps, WIC, EBT, whatever you want to call the public assistance) that is truly a hand out, then something should be setup so people can't take advantage of the system the way they have been for generations.

 

[binö]

on the subject of unemployment, I agree with headholio.

If the subject were welfare (food stamps, WIC, EBT, whatever you want to call the public assistance) that is truly a hand out, then something should be setup so people can't take advantage of the system the way they have been for generations.

do you agree with his logic though? that this testing is motivated by inherent republican racism?

 

[ceo]

do you agree with his logic though? that this testing is motivated by inherent republican racism?

I don't think that. But I haven't investigated it deeply, nor do I care to.

I do think since it's a program (insurance) that is required to be paid into for the purpose of paying out in case of a job loss, that it wouldn't be right to require the testing and I can see the slippery slope argument of constitutional rights violations.

However, welfare to me should be more like signing a contract like one does when one gets a job where they are drug tested. You don't pass a drug test, no handout. For that matter, the recipients should be also required to do some work (working welfare?) to receive it as well.

 

[binö]

I don't think that. But I haven't investigated it deeply, nor do I care to.

I do think since it's a program (insurance) that is required to be paid into for the purpose of paying out in case of a job loss, that it wouldn't be right to require the testing and I can see the slippery slope argument of constitutional rights violations.

However, welfare to me should be more like signing a contract like one does when one gets a job where they are drug tested. You don't pass a drug test, no handout. For that matter, the recipients should be also required to do some work (working welfare?) to receive it as well.

yep, agreed...though the same "Racism" arguement is mounted everytime the subject of welfare reform is brought up.
we are paralyzed as a nation with this shit

 

[miplank]

I think they should have to do something to continue recieving UE after a period of time. Or just quit extending the benefits.

 

[binö]

I think they should have to do something to continue recieving UE after a period of time. Or just quit extending the benefits.

so i take it you weren't impressed with my 15k

 

[miplank]

Lol

 

[ceo]

I think they should have to do something to continue recieving UE after a period of time. Or just quit extending the benefits.

The maximum I believe is 99 weeks (unless they extended it again?). It was 6 months. In a good economy 6 months was a fair amount of time. In this economy of the past 4 years I'm not sure what a fair amount of time is. I guess congress thought it should be 99 weeks. I think this was extended due to the extenuating circumstances of the economy, and (though I'm not certain) it should be a temporary extension.

I guess what I think is that if someone has been working for 20 years and lost their job and they can't get another job, and they have to stay on unemployment for 99 weeks, then they should be allowed to keep receiving their unemployment insurance benefits. Besides there are already stipulations. They already "have to do something" to continue receiving benefits. They have to prove they are looking for work.

 

[javaguru]

The maximum I believe is 99 weeks (unless they extended it again?). It was 6 months. In a good economy 6 months was a fair amount of time. In this economy of the past 4 years I'm not sure what a fair amount of time is. I guess congress thought it should be 99 weeks. I think this was extended due to the extenuating circumstances of the economy, and (though I'm not certain) it should be a temporary extension.

I guess what I think is that if someone has been working for 20 years and lost their job and they can't get another job, and they have to stay on unemployment for 99 weeks, then they should be allowed to keep receiving their unemployment insurance benefits. Besides there are already stipulations. They already "have to do something" to continue receiving benefits. They have to prove they are looking for work.

Unemployment "Insurance" isn't insurance...It's a government entitlement program. It would probably be much more efficient if it was run as an actual insurance program where employees get to choose coverage and benefits. I've never taken a dime of "unemployment insurance" in my life even though I have been forced to pay into the program. I know a guy that manipulates the system to the point where he gets a white collar job and gets fired to collect unemployment. He knows the laws..he hates white collar jobs and loves landscaping/lawn care...My advice was to start a lawn care business of his own but that would be too risky .

 

[smurf2]

on the subject of unemployment, I agree with headholio.

If the subject were welfare (food stamps, WIC, EBT, whatever you want to call the public assistance) that is truly a hand out, then something should be setup so people can't take advantage of the system the way they have been for generations.

Agree

 

[miplank]

The maximum I believe is 99 weeks (unless they extended it again?). It was 6 months. In a good economy 6 months was a fair amount of time. In this economy of the past 4 years I'm not sure what a fair amount of time is. I guess congress thought it should be 99 weeks. I think this was extended due to the extenuating circumstances of the economy, and (though I'm not certain) it should be a temporary extension.

I guess what I think is that if someone has been working for 20 years and lost their job and they can't get another job, and they have to stay on unemployment for 99 weeks, then they should be allowed to keep receiving their unemployment insurance benefits. Besides there are already stipulations. They already "have to do something" to continue receiving benefits. They have to prove they are looking for work.

You have to look for work, but don't have to accept any offers applied for.

 

[binö]

Unemployment "Insurance" isn't insurance...It's a government entitlement program. It would probably be much more efficient if it was run as an actual insurance program where employees get to choose coverage and benefits. I've never taken a dime of "unemployment insurance" in my life even though I have been forced to pay into the program. I know a guy that manipulates the system to the point where he gets a white collar job and gets fired to collect unemployment. He knows the laws..he hates white collar jobs and loves landscaping/lawn care...My advice was to start a lawn care business of his own but that would be too risky .

no you haven't.
it's 100% on the employeer...


and i don't have to look for work, its stipulated in my union agreement teehee

 

[cindylou]

no you haven't.
it's 100% on the employeer...


and i don't have to look for work, its stipulated in my union agreement teehee

Right, it should be viewed as sort of a benefit paid by the employer. The employer has a certain amount they have to pay to the state each quarter for each employee, the amount changing each quarter, depending on what quarter you're in and how much it's used determines your rate. This is hypothetical but I wouldn't want my employees that I had to lay off drug tested for using insurance I purchased as a benefit, regardless if I was forced to provide the benefit for them or not. They don't need their paws all up in and analyzing people's piss because they had to be laid off and want to claim the benefit that I had to pay because the state requires I provide it to my employees. Lol. Could you imagine your best or favorite employee (or just someone you really didn't want to let go, but had to) having to drop because you had to lay them off? I don't see how this would keep people from committing fraud, either (not looking for a job until benefits run out). I would never purchase such ghetto ass coverage for my employees if I had a choice, it would be an embarrassment to provide.

That's a nice union contract you boys negotiated. Lol.

 

[nangiggles]

Every time I think about unemployment I think about George Costanza lying and making up his latex salesman position at Vandaley Industries, just because he didnt want to look for another job... back then at least they had to go to the unemployment office and meet someone eye to eye and lie to their face, now you do it online....

 

[cindylou]

Every time I think about unemployment I think about George Costanza lying and making up his latex salesman position at Vandaley Industries, just because he didnt want to look for another job... back then at least they had to go to the unemployment office and meet someone eye to eye and lie to their face, now you do it online....

Yeah, that's so wrong Lol it's a shame so many people think it's okay to commit insurance fraud, and it's true that they do. I don't think drug testing them will stop people from committing fraud though. Did George Costanza smoke pot or do coke everyday? No. Lol. What does smoking some pot have to do with whether someone decides they are going to commit fraud? What can analyzing someone's piss do about that? I don't understand why so many people think this is such a great idea, that's all.

 

[digimon7068]

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Way to disregard my argument, but I'll be patient and see if it soaks in. This is not about food stamps it is about unemployment checks, which is insurance that people paid for.
And who will define what "benefits" will result in your forfeiture of rights? Use of highways, parks, the post office? Or maybe since we all get the benefit of national defense, we are all subject to unreasonable search?



Welfare is also different than unemployment. But the argument is similar. Still unreasonable search.




It doesn't matter if you are surprised, or if I am against it. What matters to me is that the constitution is against it. Does that matter to you? I hope you are not so blinded by your ideology that you can haphazardly disregard the constitution in favor of mindlessly following "your party".

i have to take blood and piss tests at regular intervals for insurance that i pay for...wtf is the difference??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[miplank]

Yeah, that's so wrong Lol it's a shame so many people think it's okay to commit insurance fraud, and it's true that they do. I don't think drug testing them will stop people from committing fraud though. Did George Costanza smoke pot or do coke everyday? No. Lol. What does smoking some pot have to do with whether someone decides they are going to commit fraud? What can analyzing someone's piss do about that? I don't understand why so many people think this is such a great idea, that's all.

it is the fact that they shouldn't be allowed to sit at home and be a lazy pot smoker, or stay up all night tweakin and taking apart their dvd player while collecting UE.

I'm sure you've all seen the shit on the news about how a certain company will be hiring, get a ton of applications and then when they start trying to hire someone nobody will accept the position.

99 weeks is fuckin ridiculous...52 weeks is ridiculous. I guarantee that if you stop letting people take advantage of the benefits. There are jobs out there, if the gov't told everyone they have 6 weeks to find a job or they're on their own people would be finding a fuckin job, i guarantee it.

 

[digimon7068]

it is the fact that they shouldn't be allowed to sit at home and be a lazy pot smoker, or stay up all night tweakin and taking apart their dvd player while collecting UE.

I'm sure you've all seen the shit on the news about how a certain company will be hiring, get a ton of applications and then when they start trying to hire someone nobody will accept the position.

99 weeks is fuckin ridiculous...52 weeks is ridiculous. I guarantee that if you stop letting people take advantage of the benefits. There are jobs out there, if the gov't told everyone they have 6 weeks to find a job or they're on their own people would be finding a fuckin job, i guarantee it.

ABSolutely!!!!!!!!!

 

[cindylou]

it is the fact that they shouldn't be allowed to sit at home and be a lazy pot smoker, or stay up all night tweakin and taking apart their dvd player while collecting UE.

I'm sure you've all seen the shit on the news about how a certain company will be hiring, get a ton of applications and then when they start trying to hire someone nobody will accept the position.

99 weeks is fuckin ridiculous...52 weeks is ridiculous. I guarantee that if you stop letting people take advantage of the benefits. There are jobs out there, if the gov't told everyone they have 6 weeks to find a job or they're on their own people would be finding a fuckin job, i guarantee it.

Oh, I know. I see your point too.

 

[cindylou]

i have to take blood and piss tests at regular intervals for insurance that i pay for...wtf is the difference??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I had to take a blood tests initially for life insurance but I don't remember ever having to take a drug test for any insurance policy, I know I haven't...it makes me think of people on probation. Lol. That could be why I am like wtf @ this.

 

[miplank]

I had to take a blood tests initially for life insurance but I don't remember ever having to take a drug test for any insurance policy, I know I haven't...it makes me think of people on probation. Lol. That could be why I am like wtf @ this.

they can test for drugs w/your blood.

 

[nangiggles]

it is the fact that they shouldn't be allowed to sit at home and be a lazy pot smoker, or stay up all night tweakin and taking apart their dvd player while collecting UE.

I'm sure you've all seen the shit on the news about how a certain company will be hiring, get a ton of applications and then when they start trying to hire someone nobody will accept the position.

99 weeks is fuckin ridiculous...52 weeks is ridiculous. I guarantee that if you stop letting people take advantage of the benefits. There are jobs out there, if the gov't told everyone they have 6 weeks to find a job or they're on their own people would be finding a fuckin job, i guarantee it.

I completely agree with you, unemployment is supposed to be a short temporary solution to not finding a job, not a way of living!
I got here with no verifiable references and no background to check, I just dropped into the map all of a sudden and still got a job in a couple of weeks, same for my mom, same for my husband, 52 weeks is unacceptable, it's a YEAR! how the hell can you pass a whole YEAR without finding a job!? I'm sure some people may have circumstances that can maybe justify it, but I'm sure 90% or more dont...

ABSolutely!!!!!!!!!

*Look at me I have fabulous abs*

 

[digimon7068]

I had to take a blood tests initially for life insurance but I don't remember ever having to take a drug test for any insurance policy, I know I haven't...it makes me think of people on probation. Lol. That could be why I am like wtf @ this.

if you want a good ("big") policy and good rates for disability insurance and life insurance, you'll pee and give blood at regular intervals...joe-six-pack insurance is unacceptable when you have three kids.

 

[youpissmeoff]

it is the fact that they shouldn't be allowed to sit at home and be a lazy pot smoker, or stay up all night tweakin and taking apart their dvd player while collecting UE.

I'm sure you've all seen the shit on the news about how a certain company will be hiring, get a ton of applications and then when they start trying to hire someone nobody will accept the position.

99 weeks is fuckin ridiculous...52 weeks is ridiculous. I guarantee that if you stop letting people take advantage of the benefits. There are jobs out there, if the gov't told everyone they have 6 weeks to find a job or they're on their own people would be finding a fuckin job, i guarantee it.

fuckin a

 

[cindylou]

if you want a good ("big") policy and good rates for disability insurance and life insurance, you'll pee and give blood at regular intervals...joe-six-pack insurance is unacceptable when you have three kids.

I suppose you're right. I've not looked into life insurance in a minute...8 years. Maybe they did collect urine from me. IDK. I guess there is nothing I can do but just accept that this is just how things are done now.

 

[youpissmeoff]

if you want a good ("big") policy and good rates for disability insurance and life insurance, you'll pee and give blood at regular intervals...joe-six-pack insurance is unacceptable when you have three kids.

yeah.. I had to do blood test and piss test. I sweated that one out after 14 yrs in the jungle.

I am covered though so ladies I am clean and insured!!! (and married - shit)

 

[miplank]

yeah.. I had to do blood test and piss test. I sweated that one out after 14 yrs in the jungle.

I am covered though so ladies I am clean and insured!!! (and married - shit)

lol, pwnt

 

[ceo]

it is the fact that they shouldn't be allowed to sit at home and be a lazy pot smoker, or stay up all night tweakin and taking apart their dvd player while collecting UE.

What if they aren't using drugs, but are still collecting past 26 weeks, or 52 weeks, or however long?

I'm sure you've all seen the shit on the news about how a certain company will be hiring, get a ton of applications and then when they start trying to hire someone nobody will accept the position.

I haven't. Got a link? Right now it is an employers market. There are 10 times as many applications for a position now than there was 5+ years ago. The candidates who aren't as strong don't get the offers. They certainly don't offer the position to everyone of the say 3000 applicants. The first offers are likely to candidates who are over qualified or are being offered significantly less than what they previously earned. They will probably keep looking for a better offer (depending on how long they've been looking/how desperate they are). Anyway, I'd like to see the stories you're talking about.

99 weeks is fuckin ridiculous...52 weeks is ridiculous. I guarantee that if you stop letting people take advantage of the benefits. There are jobs out there, if the gov't told everyone they have 6 weeks to find a job or they're on their own people would be finding a fuckin job, i guarantee it.

Studies have shown in the past that you are right. If someone can get a benefit they will likely take the benefit rather than go back to work. Funny though, that they are getting a LOT less on UE than they were working. UE won't replace an income. Max UE benefit in CA is $450 a week IIRC. That's $23,400 a year before taxes. You can't live off that in CA. Better have a helluva pile of savings or a spouse making a damn good income (or both!).

 

[youpissmeoff]

I can tell you this CEO, in the past when the oil fields were booming and the rest of the country was hurting, people were jumping on and off cargo trains to get here. Living in tent cities - anything to get work. Right now, they are not coming. What is different? Where is the mobility?

 

[miplank]

What if they aren't using drugs, but are still collecting past 26 weeks, or 52 weeks, or however long?

Nobody should get UE that long. Drug user or not.

I haven't. Got a link? Right now it is an employers market. There are 10 times as many applications for a position now than there was 5+ years ago. The candidates who aren't as strong don't get the offers. They certainly don't offer the position to everyone of the say 3000 applicants. The first offers are likely to candidates who are over qualified or are being offered significantly less than what they previously earned. They will probably keep looking for a better offer (depending on how long they've been looking/how desperate they are). Anyway, I'd like to see the stories you're talking about.

I'll try to dig up some of those stories I saw. Yeah, it may be an employers market and you may not get the same position you had prior to losing your job, but there are jobs out there. Fuckin' flip burgers if if you have to.



Studies have shown in the past that you are right. If someone can get a benefit they will likely take the benefit rather than go back to work. Funny though, that they are getting a LOT less on UE than they were working. UE won't replace an income. Max UE benefit in CA is $450 a week IIRC. That's $23,400 a year before taxes. You can't live off that in CA. Better have a helluva pile of savings or a spouse making a damn good income (or both!).
funny, cuz there are a few members on EF taking advantage of Barry Bucks and still haven't lost their internet service. Hell, didn't lambruh say he was gonna travel around while collecting UE. Must not be too bad...

If you can't live off that in CA, CO or wherever..then how are so many people doing it? If you wife lost her job today, would it take her 99 weeks to find a new one?

 

[ceo]

Nobody should get UE that long. Drug user or not.

How long?

26 weeks was the standard maximum unless the economy and UE figures warrants an extension(s).

I'll try to dig up some of those stories I saw. Yeah, it may be an employers market and you may not get the same position you had prior to losing your job, but there are jobs out there. Fuckin' flip burgers if if you have to.

Flip burgers? For $8.00 an hour? To make HALF as much as UE pays? You serious? If you can't live off of $24K, how you gonna do it on $12K?

funny, cuz there are a few members on EF taking advantage of Barry Bucks and still haven't lost their internet service. Hell, didn't lambruh say he was gonna travel around while collecting UE. Must not be too bad...

I dunno bro? Free wifi? Scamming off neighbors wireless? I don't know. Yeah lambruh did say that. Not sure how that's going for him. Not saying I agree with it either.

Not too bad? Can you live off $24K? I sure as fuck can't. That won't even pay my mortgage (P&I only). I guess they just don't pay the mortgage and worry about eviction when the foreclosure finally goes through 12-18 months later?

If you can't live off that in CA, CO or wherever..then how are so many people doing it? If you wife lost her job today, would it take her 99 weeks to find a new one?

Like I said, they must have a helluva pile of savings or a spouse making an income able to support the family.

My wife? Nope. But she's highly educated and trained and even specialized within a fairly broad field. There's many positions she could take due to her training and experience. She'd find something right away. But everyone else isn't her.

 

[Headholio]

Studies have shown in the past that you are right. If someone can get a benefit they will likely take the benefit rather than go back to work. Funny though, that they are getting a LOT less on UE than they were working. UE won't replace an income. Max UE benefit in CA is $450 a week IIRC. That's $23,400 a year before taxes. You can't live off that in CA. Better have a helluva pile of savings or a spouse making a damn good income (or both!).

Got a link to those studies? Here's a study that found that UI is not a disincentive to work, and people who were not able to collect UI were unemployed for the same length of time as people who collected it:

UI claimants did not find themselves out of work longer than other jobless workers who likely didn’t have unemployment benefits. Second, the researchers discovered, unemployed workers do not search for work more or reduce their wage expectations once their benefits run out.

Unemployment benefits and work incentives: the US labour market in the Great Recession


Obviously, there are people who abuse the system, and people who would rather live meagerly on a handout than to try and work for a better life.
That is inherent in the system unfortunately, but it doesn't make it a bad system. The extent of these problems is overblown by the right wing media, while the benefits to society are ignored. Overall, the system works but could be improved; however, drug testing isn't the way to stop the abuse.

 

[miplank]

How long?

26 weeks was the standard maximum unless the economy and UE figures warrants an extension(s).



Flip burgers? For $8.00 an hour? To make HALF as much as UE pays? You serious? If you can't live off of $24K, how you gonna do it on $12K?



I dunno bro? Free wifi? Scamming off neighbors wireless? I don't know. Yeah lambruh did say that. Not sure how that's going for him. Not saying I agree with it either.

Not too bad? Can you live off $24K? I sure as fuck can't. That won't even pay my mortgage (P&I only). I guess they just don't pay the mortgage and worry about eviction when the foreclosure finally goes through 12-18 months later?



Like I said, they must have a helluva pile of savings or a spouse making an income able to support the family.

My wife? Nope. But she's highly educated and trained and even specialized within a fairly broad field. There's many positions she could take due to her training and experience. She'd find something right away. But everyone else isn't her.

Yeah, and everyone else doesn't live in nice ass houses with outdoor kitchens and shit (yeah you ngr).

And no, somebody at the max allowed UE amount wouldn't take a cut to flip burgers, but I'd imagine not everyone is collecting the state max for UE. All i'm saying is there are a lot of jobs out there. And a lot of them pay pretty dang well. Oil fields are booming right now. Friend of the family owns a roustabout company and he can't hire enough guys. Problem is everyone is so entitled and doesn't want to work up a sweat and do some manual labor and actually earn their paycheck. They want to show up to work to collect a check.


and fuck you...I see the irony there.

 

[ceo]

Got a link to those studies? Here's a study that found that UI is not a disincentive to work, and people who were not able to collect UI were unemployed for the same length of time as people who collected it:


Unemployment benefits and work incentives: the US labour market in the Great Recession


Obviously, there are people who abuse the system, and people who would rather live meagerly on a handout than to try and work for a better life.
That is inherent in the system unfortunately, but it doesn't make it a bad system. The extent of these problems is overblown by the right wing media, while the benefits to society are ignored. Overall, the system works but could be improved; however, drug testing isn't the way to stop the abuse.

You must not be paying attention ITT, because you are arguing against the wrong person here.

The studies were done by universities. I can't remember. If I get time I may try to look them up. Still, you're arguing against the wrong person.

 

[ceo]

Yeah, and everyone else doesn't live in nice ass houses with outdoor kitchens and shit (yeah you ngr).

And no, somebody at the max allowed UE amount wouldn't take a cut to flip burgers, but I'd imagine not everyone is collecting the state max for UE. All i'm saying is there are a lot of jobs out there. And a lot of them pay pretty dang well. Oil fields are booming right now. Friend of the family owns a roustabout company and he can't hire enough guys. Problem is everyone is so entitled and doesn't want to work up a sweat and do some manual labor and actually earn their paycheck. They want to show up to work to collect a check.


and fuck you...I see the irony there.

Now this I actually agree with. The problem is all the lazy, entitlement minded motherfuckers. It wasn't like this back in the days of the Great Depression. People did what they had to do. Men moved their families or they sent money home if they went ahead (hopefully). That was a much different generation. A proud one. Today we have a nation and generations full of absolute pussies here in America.

We don't have an outdoor kitchen nergodamus. I have a built in grill and a mini fridge out there. No sink, no roof, no TV, etc.

I love you bro.

 

[Headholio]

You must not be paying attention ITT, because you are arguing against the wrong person here.

The studies were done by universities. I can't remember. If I get time I may try to look them up. Still, you're arguing against the wrong person.

Well, I'm really just curious if there are studies to that effect. I found the one I found, but always willing to learn more.

 

[gatemoney]

You forgot to mention that FL only had a 2.5% failure rate HOWEVER they experienced the LOWEST enrollment in history since recession, hence it WAS working since druggies just werent asking for benefits, the 2.5% is just the random assholes who decided to give it a shot anyway...

I like the concept of doing something in exchange for nothing, unemployed Americans regardless of race, gender state, etc are getting use to getting money in exchange for nothing, I think community service is a great way for them to truly "earn" that money, I'm only concerned about the transportation/daycare costs.
As per the "unreasonable search", people are not obligated to continuously take unemployment, if you want it then you follow the rules and drug testing should be a rule, if many of us hard working Americans have to get drug tested for work and we don't whine then I don't see why these people getting FREE money should.

I hope you never lose your job through no fault of your own.
The key phrase here being" Through no fault of your own" because those are the only people who qualify for unemployment.
When I was hired by my company They had over 130 employees. When I was laid off About 5 years later there were only 16 of us left. I was 1 of the last to go so let that say something about my work ethic.
This aint got a god damn thing to do with a free fucking hand out! I work my whole life pay taxes paid into unemployment and for the first time in my life I NEEDED NOT WANTED TO call upon that INSURANCE! I did everything I could do to find another job then I had to move out of state because there is no place left to look. There was just no more work.
And the fact of the matter is the economy has driven the wages down so low in my trade that I can bring home more money staying on unemployment than I can if I was to take one of the jobs that I'm applying for.
If it wasn't for unemployment I would be homeless! But your high and mighty ass would rather see me do a song and dance for it right?
It's alright though, I'll be okay.
Thanks for asking.
My family is helping me line some thing's up. I'll have to be broke for a while. Take a few classes and pass a few test but I should come out better off on the other end.
And just to let you know I actually agree with you. I would have no problem providing urinalysis.
But for you to lump food stamps, welfare, drug addicts in with the unemployed just shows your level of ignorance about this topic.
And it's just plain fucking offensive to me! I do not drink or do drugs!
ANYWAY I don't mean to ramble.
I hope that your good fortune continues and that you never have to go through the amount of stress that I have over these last few months.
Do you know what I can do to a man to watch his wife get up go to work every morning? It sucks! I've actually contemplated taking 1 of those jobs and bringing home less money just for the sake of my pride!
Anyway I wouldn't expect you to understand that .

 

[miplank]

Now this I actually agree with. The problem is all the lazy, entitlement minded motherfuckers. It wasn't like this back in the days of the Great Depression. People did what they had to do. Men moved their families or they sent money home if they went ahead (hopefully). That was a much different generation. A proud one. Today we have a nation and generations full of absolute pussies here in America.

We don't have an outdoor kitchen nergodamus. I have a built in grill and a mini fridge out there. No sink, no roof, no TV, etc.

I love you bro.

OMG bro...how do you manage?

 

[Headholio]

I hope you never lose your job through no fault of your own.
The key phrase here being" Through no fault of your own" because those are the only people who qualify for unemployment.
When I was hired by my company They had over 130 employees. When I was laid off About 5 years later there were only 16 of us left. I was 1 of the last to go so let that say something about my work ethic.
This aint got a god damn thing to do with a free fucking hand out! I work my whole life pay taxes paid into unemployment and for the first time in my life I NEEDED NOT WANTED TO call upon that INSURANCE! I did everything I could do to find another job then I had to move out of state because there is no place left to look. There was just no more work.
And the fact of the matter is the economy has driven the wages down so low in my trade that I can bring home more money staying on unemployment than I can if I was to take one of the jobs that I'm applying for.
If it wasn't for unemployment I would be homeless! But your high and mighty ass would rather see me do a song and dance for it right?
It's alright though, I'll be okay.
Thanks for asking.
My family is helping me line some thing's up. I'll have to be broke for a while. Take a few classes and pass a few test but I should come out better off on the other end.
And just to let you know I actually agree with you. I would have no problem providing urinalysis.
But for you to lump food stamps, welfare, drug addicts in with the unemployed just shows your level of ignorance about this topic.
And it's just plain fucking offensive to me! I do not drink or do drugs!
ANYWAY I don't mean to ramble.
I hope that your good fortune continues and that you never have to go through the amount of stress that I have over these last few months.
Do you know what I can do to a man to watch his wife get up go to work every morning? It sucks! I've actually contemplated taking 1 of those jobs and bringing home less money just for the sake of my pride!
Anyway I wouldn't expect you to understand that .

Amen brotha!

It's sad that it has become so unfashionable in the GOP to care about people. Hopefully though, enough voters will wake up to realize that they are the ones the GOP doesn't care about.

 

[mrplunkey]

Amen brotha!

It's sad that it has become so unfashionable in the GOP to care about people. Hopefully though, enough voters will wake up to realize that they are the ones the GOP doesn't care about.

Yeah, creating multigenerational welfare-dependent families, choking-out small businesses and cranking-out kids who can't read their own diplomas sure is "caring".

 

[youpissmeoff]

I hope you never lose your job through no fault of your own.
The key phrase here being" Through no fault of your own" because those are the only people who qualify for unemployment.
When I was hired by my company They had over 130 employees. When I was laid off About 5 years later there were only 16 of us left. I was 1 of the last to go so let that say something about my work ethic.
This aint got a god damn thing to do with a free fucking hand out! I work my whole life pay taxes paid into unemployment and for the first time in my life I NEEDED NOT WANTED TO call upon that INSURANCE! I did everything I could do to find another job then I had to move out of state because there is no place left to look. There was just no more work.
And the fact of the matter is the economy has driven the wages down so low in my trade that I can bring home more money staying on unemployment than I can if I was to take one of the jobs that I'm applying for.
If it wasn't for unemployment I would be homeless! But your high and mighty ass would rather see me do a song and dance for it right?
It's alright though, I'll be okay.
Thanks for asking.
My family is helping me line some thing's up. I'll have to be broke for a while. Take a few classes and pass a few test but I should come out better off on the other end.
And just to let you know I actually agree with you. I would have no problem providing urinalysis.
But for you to lump food stamps, welfare, drug addicts in with the unemployed just shows your level of ignorance about this topic.
And it's just plain fucking offensive to me! I do not drink or do drugs!
ANYWAY I don't mean to ramble.
I hope that your good fortune continues and that you never have to go through the amount of stress that I have over these last few months.
Do you know what I can do to a man to watch his wife get up go to work every morning? It sucks! I've actually contemplated taking 1 of those jobs and bringing home less money just for the sake of my pride!
Anyway I wouldn't expect you to understand that .

no you didn't - we already established that

 

[nangiggles]

I hope you never lose your job through no fault of your own.
The key phrase here being" Through no fault of your own" because those are the only people who qualify for unemployment.
When I was hired by my company They had over 130 employees. When I was laid off About 5 years later there were only 16 of us left. I was 1 of the last to go so let that say something about my work ethic.
This aint got a god damn thing to do with a free fucking hand out! I work my whole life pay taxes paid into unemployment and for the first time in my life I NEEDED NOT WANTED TO call upon that INSURANCE! I did everything I could do to find another job then I had to move out of state because there is no place left to look. There was just no more work.
And the fact of the matter is the economy has driven the wages down so low in my trade that I can bring home more money staying on unemployment than I can if I was to take one of the jobs that I'm applying for.
If it wasn't for unemployment I would be homeless! But your high and mighty ass would rather see me do a song and dance for it right?
It's alright though, I'll be okay.
Thanks for asking.
My family is helping me line some thing's up. I'll have to be broke for a while. Take a few classes and pass a few test but I should come out better off on the other end.
And just to let you know I actually agree with you. I would have no problem providing urinalysis.
But for you to lump food stamps, welfare, drug addicts in with the unemployed just shows your level of ignorance about this topic.
And it's just plain fucking offensive to me! I do not drink or do drugs!
ANYWAY I don't mean to ramble.
I hope that your good fortune continues and that you never have to go through the amount of stress that I have over these last few months.
Do you know what I can do to a man to watch his wife get up go to work every morning? It sucks! I've actually contemplated taking 1 of those jobs and bringing home less money just for the sake of my pride!
Anyway I wouldn't expect you to understand that .

I have lost jobs as a matter a fact and guess what Costa Rica has NO unemployment, if you are out of a job you are out of luck, PERIOD, I've been to the point where I didnt have money to pay my damn phone, how the fuck do you get called for an interview when you have no phone!? I've had to sell shit to make ends meet and hide from collectors and landlords, I've fucking been there, I'm not some ignorant kid who thinks everyone is a drug addict, I'm just saying that if you are NOT a drug addict then you shouldnt give a fuck about pissing in a cup, why? because you would do it to get a job any way so why not for unemployment!? If we can filter and cut out the people abusing the system then the system can get stronger for those who really need it.

I agree with those who say most Americans just dont want to break a fucking sweat, they feel entitled to things, working minimum wage is a disgrace to some and I understand how you cant live off minimum wage but if yo cant live off your current pay grade then do something, improve yourself, move to a city with better opportunities, get rid of your $100 a month iphone, you're lightning fast internet your 400 channel cable, learn how to do other things, get a part time job, dont just sit and wait for the government to bail you out, dont get me wrong unemployment is a great help and wish I had it in my times of need but I just cant conceive people not getting a job in over a YEAR

 

[mrplunkey]

I have lost jobs as a matter a fact and guess what Costa Rica has NO unemployment, if you are out of a job you are out of luck, PERIOD, I've been to the point where I didnt have money to pay my damn phone, how the fuck do you get called for an interview when you have no phone!? I've had to sell shit to make ends meet and hide from collectors and landlords, I've fucking been there, I'm not some ignorant kid who thinks everyone is a drug addict, I'm just saying that if you are NOT a drug addict then you shouldnt give a fuck about pissing in a cup, why? because you would do it to get a job any way so why not for unemployment!? If we can filter and cut out the people abusing the system then the system can get stronger for those who really need it.

I agree with those who say most Americans just dont want to break a fucking sweat, they feel entitled to things, working minimum wage is a disgrace to some and I understand how you cant live off minimum wage but if yo cant live off your current pay grade then do something, improve yourself, move to a city with better opportunities, get rid of your $100 a month iphone, you're lightning fast internet your 400 channel cable, learn how to do other things, get a part time job, dont just sit and wait for the government to bail you out, dont get me wrong unemployment is a great help and wish I had it in my times of need but I just cant conceive people not getting a job in over a YEAR

Well said.

 

[PICK3]

I've had to sell shit to make ends meet

I'm gainfully employed and have to sell shit to make ends meat

 

[nangiggles]

I'm gainfully employed and have to sell shit to make ends meat

me too (my property taxes went up) Hang in there Pick

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm gainfully employed and have to sell shit to make ends meat

Raise the price of assaulting your o-ring = you'll be ngr mitch rich in no time.

 

[PICK3]

Raise the price of assaulting your o-ring = you'll be ngr mitch rich in no time.

ololololol!

 

[mrplunkey]

ololololol!

I've missed you this week. Been busier than a cat trying to cover up a crap on a frozen lake.

 

[PICK3]

I've missed you this week. Been busier than a cat trying to cover up a crap on a frozen lake.

my loins ached for you this week





no homo though!

 

[mrplunkey]

my loins ached for you this week





no homo though!

I'm turgid.

 

[ceo]

OMG bro...how do you manage?

LOL! You're one to talk! I think you actually DO have an outdoor kitchen IIRC! Bastard!

 

[gatemoney]

I have lost jobs as a matter a fact and guess what Costa Rica has NO unemployment, if you are out of a job you are out of luck, PERIOD, I've been to the point where I didnt have money to pay my damn phone, how the fuck do you get called for an interview when you have no phone!? I've had to sell shit to make ends meet and hide from collectors and landlords, I've fucking been there, I'm not some ignorant kid who thinks everyone is a drug addict, I'm just saying that if you are NOT a drug addict then you shouldnt give a fuck about pissing in a cup, why? because you would do it to get a job any way so why not for unemployment!? If we can filter and cut out the people abusing the system then the system can get stronger for those who really need it.

I agree with those who say most Americans just dont want to break a fucking sweat, they feel entitled to things, working minimum wage is a disgrace to some and I understand how you cant live off minimum wage but if yo cant live off your current pay grade then do something, improve yourself, move to a city with better opportunities, get rid of your $100 a month iphone, you're lightning fast internet your 400 channel cable, learn how to do other things, get a part time job, dont just sit and wait for the government to bail you out, dont get me wrong unemployment is a great help and wish I had it in my times of need but I just cant conceive people not getting a job in over a YEAR

I have no internet or comp or tv!
And if i hadn't literally just made my last car payment 1 week before i was laid off i would have lost that as well.
How do you find a job when you cant drive? I live in a rural area.
This Android is the one " luxury" i still have and the only reason for that is it is cheaper to keep paying it then it is to break the contract.
i dont want to fight, i like c&c and all the regs here, you included. I apologize for getting a lil defensive.
and i agree about American laziness.
Especially with my gen.
Laziness is no less then a cancer eating at this country slowly but surly.
Simply having a decent work ethic with a lil willingness to do a lil more then is asked has served me very well.
Yet i have found myself in this shit situation, 34 yrs old and not a job to be found in my trade. Looking down the long road of starting all over again...

 

[ceo]

Amen brotha!

It's sad that it has become so unfashionable in the GOP to care about people. Hopefully though, enough voters will wake up to realize that they are the ones the GOP doesn't care about.

I'm a registered repub, but I don't necessarily vote the party line. But I feel for this brother. I know plenty of people who lost their jobs through downsizing and had their industry almost disappear. I can empathize. I know you're still trying to hate me though, just because I'm registered repub.

I'm more fiscally conservative and socially liberal. We need to clamp down on freebies and handouts paid for by those who can and do work, given to those who can but won't work. Those who truly need assistance because they can't help themselves should receive assistance. Too bad it is forced though.

Helping those who are less fortunate or truly needy should be something that those who have the ability, should just do. If everyone would give a little there wouldn't be a need for the gov't to step in and force it through taxes. The problem also is that there's not much pride anymore and a huge sense of entitlement. Too many people think they deserve a handout just because they're alive. It may very well be time to cut a bunch of people off and tell them there's just no more free money and they will have to either get a job or work in some other way (cleaning up highways, painting over graffiti, sweeping sidewalks, filling potholes, whatever) to get their gov't check. If you don't want to work, then you shouldn't get to eat.

 

[PICK3]

34 yrs old and not a job to be found in my trade.

wut's your trade?

 

[ceo]

...if yo cant live off your current pay grade then do something, improve yourself, move to a city with better opportunities, get rid of your $100 a month iphone, you're lightning fast internet your 400 channel cable, learn how to do other things, get a part time job, dont just sit and wait for the government to bail you out, dont get me wrong unemployment is a great help and wish I had it in my times of need but I just cant conceive people not getting a job in over a YEAR

How DARE you!!! That's totally un-American!!

 

[jiggagold]

wut's your trade?

double sided dildos

 

[nangiggles]

Raise the price of assaulting your o-ring = you'll be ngr mitch rich in no time.

I wanna be castle rich!

 

[ceo]

Helping those who are less fortunate or truly needy should be something that those who have the ability, should just do. If everyone would give a little there wouldn't be a need for the gov't to step in and force it through taxes. The problem also is that there's not much pride anymore and a huge sense of entitlement. Too many people think they deserve a handout just because they're alive. It may very well be time to cut a bunch of people off and tell them there's just no more free money and they will have to either get a job or work in some other way (cleaning up highways, painting over graffiti, sweeping sidewalks, filling potholes, whatever) to get their gov't check. If you don't want to work, then you shouldn't get to eat.

What's really sad about this is when I see these mega-churches with pastors that have a fleet of $100,000 cars in the garage of their $5,000,000 home, and in some cases maybe a private jet. They receive $50,000 honorariums (and more) for speaking at another church or church sponsored event. They wear $2,000 suits and $800 shoes, their wives have $1500 purses and $2,500 shoes. In some cases there are many poor people sitting in the seats on sundays, putting their last $5.00 into the collection plate telling their kids to have faith that God will provide, while the shepherd fleeces the flock. They pay nothing in taxes and live lavishly not even taking care of their own parishioners who make it all possible for them.

"Yes they deserve to die, and I hope they burn in hell!"

 

[PICK3]

I wanna be castle rich!

my grandmother wants to operate drones

 

[cindylou]

I'm a registered repub, but I don't necessarily vote the party line. But I feel for this brother. I know plenty of people who lost their jobs through downsizing and had their industry almost disappear. I can empathize. I know you're still trying to hate me though, just because I'm registered repub.

I'm more fiscally conservative and socially liberal. We need to clamp down on freebies and handouts paid for by those who can and do work, given to those who can but won't work. Those who truly need assistance because they can't help themselves should receive assistance. Too bad it is forced though.

Helping those who are less fortunate or truly needy should be something that those who have the ability, should just do. If everyone would give a little there wouldn't be a need for the gov't to step in and force it through taxes. The problem also is that there's not much pride anymore and a huge sense of entitlement. Too many people think they deserve a handout just because they're alive. It may very well be time to cut a bunch of people off and tell them there's just no more free money and they will have to either get a job or work in some other way (cleaning up highways, painting over graffiti, sweeping sidewalks, filling potholes, whatever) to get their gov't check. If you don't want to work, then you shouldn't get to eat.

I agree, those who want to help should, and the cold hearted bastards that don't want to help shouldn't. I don't mind giving extra and having less while the guy across the street has more. That is just a part of it. My parents always gave away a good portion of their money to charity... it's something that should be taught to kids when they are young.

I agree that there is no shame in some people.

 

[gatemoney]

wut's your trade?

Fluffer for German Goo Girls

 

[PICK3]

it's something that should be taught to kids when they are young.

butt can you really teach the trait of generosity

 

[cindylou]

butt can you really teach the trait of generosity

lol yes

if you can't then you can't teach dependence either

but we all know you can

 

[nangiggles]

I have no internet or comp or tv!
And if i hadn't literally just made my last car payment 1 week before i was laid off i would have lost that as well.
How do you find a job when you cant drive? I live in a rural area.
This Android is the one " luxury" i still have and the only reason for that is it is cheaper to keep paying it then it is to break the contract.
i dont want to fight, i like c&c and all the regs here, you included. I apologize for getting a lil defensive.
and i agree about American laziness.
Especially with my gen.
Laziness is no less then a cancer eating at this country slowly but surly.
Simply having a decent work ethic with a lil willingness to do a lil more then is asked has served me very well.
Yet i have found myself in this shit situation, 34 yrs old and not a job to be found in my trade. Looking down the long road of starting all over again...

And I truly believe there are people who sincerely try but live in a small town or in a place that has lost a chunk of work force,and peeps like you are the real reason why this system exists and by all means I'm glad it helps, I apologize if it sounds like I implied all people collecting UE are lazy crackheads,I did not mean it that way and I most certainly didnt mean to lump you in that category or offend you

 

[Mr. dB]

bolded is clearly wrong, the employer pays it nothing comes out of your paycheck for UE.

A mere technicality, it's still money that would otherwise have gone to salary.

 

[miplank]

Raise the price of assaulting your o-ring = you'll be ngr mitch rich in no time.

Wtf...

And fuck you I'm half your age

 

[cindylou]

And I truly believe there are people who sincerely try but live in a small town or in a place that has lost a chunk of work force,and peeps like you are the real reason why this system exists and by all means I'm glad it helps, I apologize if it sounds like I implied all people collecting UE are lazy crackheads,I did not mean it that way and I most certainly didnt mean to lump you in that category or offend you

Right. People collecting UI are not always demons and those working and employers are not always angels. We are all just people. You take a chance when you hire someone, it's part of the risk of owning and running a business that you have to manage. Employers have ways to protect themselves when they hire that helps keep rates down and from lazy crackheads from collecting UI but not everyone does it. You have to think about UI when you hire someone, not just money but the person you're hiring. Usually they get really pissy about UI after their rate has increased though, which sucks so I can empathize with that. I have no idea how long it takes to find work right now. No clue.

 

[smurf2]

In 2010 it took me about 7 months to find work after I got laid off. Although the first 4 months I got a full severance so I probably didn't look as hard as I could have during those months but overall I applied to over 100 jobs in various fields before I got the job I have now. In fact I applied to 20 jobs at my current company alone

ETA: I didnt start collecting Unemployment until my fully paid severance ran out. So, I ended up collecting for a total of 3.5 months before I began working full time again. I took a pay cut for my current job, about $25,00 a yr less. I was even open to taking much less than that just to get a job. I almost took a job for less than 1/2 of my previous salary but I decided I wouldnt be able to pay my bills.

 

[smurf2]

lol also the fuck does Mitch know about losing his job and needing to find work in this economy? Collecting $350 a week and expecting to be able to support your family and pay your bills off that? I had to cash in my entire 401K in order to keep paying my bills when I was unemployed and I don't live a lavish lifestyle. Unemployment sucks and the anxiety around hoping to find a job in this shitty ass economy sucks even more. And I even have family that would bail me out if i got really desperate but most people don't have that. I dont get how/why people just go on without a job and collect the measly few $s a month on UE. How do they live? Out of a van?

 

[miplank]

I don't know dick

 

[smurf2]

<3

 

[miplank]

In my defense I don't think anyone in this thread but you has been in that position.

 

[gatemoney]

In my defense I don't think anyone in this thread but you has been in that position.

HELLO.....Mcfly