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VictorBR
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yeah I think so , my best choice is the tren for sure but check this shit out
I am gonna run EQ + SUST + TREN
ok , so EQ and SUST I am going to shoot monday and thursday . Tren enanthate would be PERFECT because I would shoot monday and thursday ALSO , so all my 3 AAS would be monday and thursday .
But majutsu and other ones including you , told me that since it is the first time using tren I should go with acetate , and it makes sense since I can just stop it if I feel that it is fucking me up .
Problem is acetate needs to be injected EOD . So , monday , wenesday , friday , sunday , thusday , thursday , saturday , monday ...and so on ...
See my point ? It would FUCK UP all my injection schedule . I would have to inject ED , basically ....
And since I only hit my glutes and delts , it is hard for me ...
I think I will just to with tren enanthate and fuck it , if I start feeling like shit I will stop it and wait 11 days for it to clear ... if I can wait 2 days for acetate , I can wait a lil longer for the enanthate ...
Victor
I am gonna run EQ + SUST + TREN
ok , so EQ and SUST I am going to shoot monday and thursday . Tren enanthate would be PERFECT because I would shoot monday and thursday ALSO , so all my 3 AAS would be monday and thursday .
But majutsu and other ones including you , told me that since it is the first time using tren I should go with acetate , and it makes sense since I can just stop it if I feel that it is fucking me up .
Problem is acetate needs to be injected EOD . So , monday , wenesday , friday , sunday , thusday , thursday , saturday , monday ...and so on ...
See my point ? It would FUCK UP all my injection schedule . I would have to inject ED , basically ....
And since I only hit my glutes and delts , it is hard for me ...
I think I will just to with tren enanthate and fuck it , if I start feeling like shit I will stop it and wait 11 days for it to clear ... if I can wait 2 days for acetate , I can wait a lil longer for the enanthate ...
Victor
Wait a sec victor bro, lets take a look at your cycle here for a moment.
First half is like this right..
EQ + SUST + TREN (or primo) + Dbol + Growth
Second phase is like this
winny + test prop + masteron + var + growth.
You should really think this through on what you want to run, and what fits into your schedule including jabs as well (why dont you stick quads as well?). Anywhoo ... you should post up your whole cycle how you had it before for some critique, I cant remember how it went, it was too big! lol. From what I understand, you want to phases. 1. Mass 2. Hardening.
I am thinking that you are almost getting to fancy here. I agree with the tren issues that everyone arises. It will probably work the best, but could also fuck you up the most too. Some people get nasty sides from it, others are fine. Instead of adding in primo or tren, you can always slightly up your other dosages instead of adding in others. Primo would be a great choice over tren, and probably your safest choice as well. Defiantely not your cheapest choice though, lots of jabs too running it with other things at a decent dosage. Then ... you always have the option to run Deca or NPP. I just ran NPP for 4 weeks, and was more than pleased with how well it worked. Its obviously the better choice over Deca, but if you want to keep it all long acting depots, I would put Deca into the mix. Deca/Test/Dbol at the beggining will surely fill things in in the mass department better than others, I would say even more so than the tren. THis is a pretty big cycle, so you should think it through nice and good ... and maybe simplify it down a bit. YOu want a good cycle to please all the hot bitches on the beach in rio, but you also dont want to fuck yourself up here! lol.
Why dont you try something along these lines (without trying to change your first cycle to much)
Phase1: Mass
Wk1-12
Dbol: 30mg/day (wk1-4)
Test: 500mg/wk
EQ: 600mg/wk
Deca: 400mg/wk
All long acting depots, no daily jabs. Get a high dose EQ like Univex, less volume needed to reach your weekly injects. This is still a fairly hefty cycle, not sure what your cycling history is, but you may want to toy with the dosages, or even take the EQ or deca out. I personally think its a lot of gear, but better than your first plan. I would personally rather run Deca than tren as well.
Cant remember what your hardening phase was like either, winny, prop, masteron, and var? Something like that? Up to week 18? Basically you are almost running every aas in here at some point, lol. If you are really not sure bro, you should post a cycle critique thread, tell what your options are and what you want from the cycle. There are a lot of folks who should be able to offer some good advice. I just wouldnt rush into this if I were you until you are 100% sure.
Mavy
First half is like this right..
EQ + SUST + TREN (or primo) + Dbol + Growth
Second phase is like this
winny + test prop + masteron + var + growth.
You should really think this through on what you want to run, and what fits into your schedule including jabs as well (why dont you stick quads as well?). Anywhoo ... you should post up your whole cycle how you had it before for some critique, I cant remember how it went, it was too big! lol. From what I understand, you want to phases. 1. Mass 2. Hardening.
I am thinking that you are almost getting to fancy here. I agree with the tren issues that everyone arises. It will probably work the best, but could also fuck you up the most too. Some people get nasty sides from it, others are fine. Instead of adding in primo or tren, you can always slightly up your other dosages instead of adding in others. Primo would be a great choice over tren, and probably your safest choice as well. Defiantely not your cheapest choice though, lots of jabs too running it with other things at a decent dosage. Then ... you always have the option to run Deca or NPP. I just ran NPP for 4 weeks, and was more than pleased with how well it worked. Its obviously the better choice over Deca, but if you want to keep it all long acting depots, I would put Deca into the mix. Deca/Test/Dbol at the beggining will surely fill things in in the mass department better than others, I would say even more so than the tren. THis is a pretty big cycle, so you should think it through nice and good ... and maybe simplify it down a bit. YOu want a good cycle to please all the hot bitches on the beach in rio, but you also dont want to fuck yourself up here! lol.
Why dont you try something along these lines (without trying to change your first cycle to much)
Phase1: Mass
Wk1-12
Dbol: 30mg/day (wk1-4)
Test: 500mg/wk
EQ: 600mg/wk
Deca: 400mg/wk
All long acting depots, no daily jabs. Get a high dose EQ like Univex, less volume needed to reach your weekly injects. This is still a fairly hefty cycle, not sure what your cycling history is, but you may want to toy with the dosages, or even take the EQ or deca out. I personally think its a lot of gear, but better than your first plan. I would personally rather run Deca than tren as well.
Cant remember what your hardening phase was like either, winny, prop, masteron, and var? Something like that? Up to week 18? Basically you are almost running every aas in here at some point, lol. If you are really not sure bro, you should post a cycle critique thread, tell what your options are and what you want from the cycle. There are a lot of folks who should be able to offer some good advice. I just wouldnt rush into this if I were you until you are 100% sure.
Mavy
VictorBR
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thx for the reply bro
I will explain the cycle to you , point by point . My cycle is perfect planned already bro , actually it is a masterpiece , when I show this to people everyone asks : Do you plan on competing ? LOL ,
Ok the REAL only problem is really the TREN . Because I don't want to use acetate and people is telling me that a first time tren user SHOULD use acetate .
About the DECA , I am not a huge fan of it bro , to kill my mojo with deca , I prefer to kill it with fina , lol .
I have another problem here man , I only hit my glutes and delts , so the SUST is good because it is 250 mg / ml , so I only need 2 ml per week , the EQ is good because it is 200 mg / ml , so I only need 2.5 ml per week , and tren enanthate is also good because it is 250 mg / ml ..... So , come to think about it , like you said , to run primo at a decent dosage I will have to use 600 mg / week ...... TOO MUCH ML for me , 6 ml ??? too much JUICE for little effect ......
So , Ok , this is how the cycle goes .
It is 18 weeks total . The cycle is divided into 3 phases . ( each phase will last 6 weeks
)
So , ok , this is how it goes
PHASE 1 ( weeks 1-6 ) - PURE BULKING ( 4.000 cals )
PHASE 2- ( weeks 6-12 ) - BULKING / CUTTING ( 2.600 cals )
PHASE 3 - ( weeks 12-18 )- PURE CUTTING ( 2.100 cals )
So , in phase 1 , my main goal is to GROW only , phase 2 my goal is to still GROW but at the same time start dropping some fat , PHASE 3 is to shed all the rest of the FAT , I am not looking to gain any muscle in this phase , altought I think I will still be able to gain , lol .
Ok , so here is the cycle again , I will divide by phases so you can have a better view :
Weeks 1-6 - PHASE 1 -
EQ - 500 mg / week
SUST - 500 mg / week
Dbol / TREN enanthate - ( dbol untill week 4 at 30 mg ED ) , then switch to 625 mg / week TREN
weeks 6-12 - PHASE 2
EQ - 500 mg / week
SUST - 500 mg / week
Tren enanthate - 625 mg / week
Weeks 12-18 - PHASE 3
Test prop - 150 mg EOD
Oxandrolone - 40 mg ED
Masteron - 100 mg EOD
Winny - 100 mg EOD
T3 - ( 25 , 50 , 75 , 50 , 25 , 12.5 )
And of course HGH and aromasin during the whole time .
Now , you see my point ? My first 12 weeks are really easy with injections only monday and thursday , if I choose tren acetate it will fuck everything UP ....so it is tren enanthate or NO tren for me . I guess , like I said before I will go with enanthate and fuck it , lol . I ain't scared of this shit . If it fucks me up , well shit happens . I can drop the shit and wait 11 days for it to clear .....
See bro , the cycle is really well planned ,and ready to go . the only thing that is becoming a concern is the tren thing ....
Victor
I will explain the cycle to you , point by point . My cycle is perfect planned already bro , actually it is a masterpiece , when I show this to people everyone asks : Do you plan on competing ? LOL ,
Ok the REAL only problem is really the TREN . Because I don't want to use acetate and people is telling me that a first time tren user SHOULD use acetate .
About the DECA , I am not a huge fan of it bro , to kill my mojo with deca , I prefer to kill it with fina , lol .
I have another problem here man , I only hit my glutes and delts , so the SUST is good because it is 250 mg / ml , so I only need 2 ml per week , the EQ is good because it is 200 mg / ml , so I only need 2.5 ml per week , and tren enanthate is also good because it is 250 mg / ml ..... So , come to think about it , like you said , to run primo at a decent dosage I will have to use 600 mg / week ...... TOO MUCH ML for me , 6 ml ??? too much JUICE for little effect ......
So , Ok , this is how the cycle goes .
It is 18 weeks total . The cycle is divided into 3 phases . ( each phase will last 6 weeks
) So , ok , this is how it goes
PHASE 1 ( weeks 1-6 ) - PURE BULKING ( 4.000 cals )
PHASE 2- ( weeks 6-12 ) - BULKING / CUTTING ( 2.600 cals )
PHASE 3 - ( weeks 12-18 )- PURE CUTTING ( 2.100 cals )
So , in phase 1 , my main goal is to GROW only , phase 2 my goal is to still GROW but at the same time start dropping some fat , PHASE 3 is to shed all the rest of the FAT , I am not looking to gain any muscle in this phase , altought I think I will still be able to gain , lol .
Ok , so here is the cycle again , I will divide by phases so you can have a better view :
Weeks 1-6 - PHASE 1 -
EQ - 500 mg / week
SUST - 500 mg / week
Dbol / TREN enanthate - ( dbol untill week 4 at 30 mg ED ) , then switch to 625 mg / week TREN
weeks 6-12 - PHASE 2
EQ - 500 mg / week
SUST - 500 mg / week
Tren enanthate - 625 mg / week
Weeks 12-18 - PHASE 3
Test prop - 150 mg EOD
Oxandrolone - 40 mg ED
Masteron - 100 mg EOD
Winny - 100 mg EOD
T3 - ( 25 , 50 , 75 , 50 , 25 , 12.5 )
And of course HGH and aromasin during the whole time .
Now , you see my point ? My first 12 weeks are really easy with injections only monday and thursday , if I choose tren acetate it will fuck everything UP ....so it is tren enanthate or NO tren for me . I guess , like I said before I will go with enanthate and fuck it , lol . I ain't scared of this shit . If it fucks me up , well shit happens . I can drop the shit and wait 11 days for it to clear .....
See bro , the cycle is really well planned ,and ready to go . the only thing that is becoming a concern is the tren thing ....
Victor
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Eh bro ... ya .. it does look good. I here what you mean about the jabs bro. 6-8 wks .. well fine. But 18wks of being a pincushion .. well ya that would get old fast.
YOu are taking a fairly decent dosage of the tren enanthate, so hopefully you dont have any serious sides .. or ya .. you will have to wait them out, and in this time, they could get worse. Just keep a close eye on yourself bro, and have all your supps in order. Damn ... I would hate to see the price tag for that cycle bro! lol. Good luck with it, and keep us posted on the transformations.
Mavy
YOu are taking a fairly decent dosage of the tren enanthate, so hopefully you dont have any serious sides .. or ya .. you will have to wait them out, and in this time, they could get worse. Just keep a close eye on yourself bro, and have all your supps in order. Damn ... I would hate to see the price tag for that cycle bro! lol. Good luck with it, and keep us posted on the transformations.
Mavy
