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Safest Inject-able
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Lift Chief
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That would be a good cycle... or you can do a test only cycle @ something like 500mg EW for 10 weeks...
IMO test is one of the "safest" injectables as the side effects are usually rather mild and most importantly can be easily controlled.
IMO test is one of the "safest" injectables as the side effects are usually rather mild and most importantly can be easily controlled.
JibbyJabba
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BullGod said:
The safest injectable AS is Primobolan by far. If safety is your number one concern, as it is for me, you should do Nelson's three-week, Primo based cycle (or some similar permutation).
It's on this thread:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=208526&highlight=question+nelson
Notice that it's not 100mgs of Primo a week...but 100mgs EOD.
Also... people will tell you that it is near impossible to get Legit Primo. I think this is likely true to a certain extent, but has become embellished by internet rumor. I have very few online juice connections and I got ahold of 50 amps, at a nice price, and they tested out to be 100% mentenelone.
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Re: Re: Safest Inject-able
got turkish primo straight from the phamacy in turkey. its still around but in very limited numbers.
JibbyJabba said:
got turkish primo straight from the phamacy in turkey. its still around but in very limited numbers.
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TooJacked said:
bad advice, IMO.
If he had asked what would give him the best gains... then Test would come to mind.
Given that safety is his number one priority, Test seems out of the question. Not saying Test is horribly unsafe, but definitely less safe than Primo.
J
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Re: Re: Safest Inject-able
It's also one of the most expensive by the amp and the most commonly faked injectable out there. mg for mg it's way way overpriced. Most Primo you buy isn't even real Primo.
JibbyJabba said:
It's also one of the most expensive by the amp and the most commonly faked injectable out there. mg for mg it's way way overpriced. Most Primo you buy isn't even real Primo.
JibbyJabba
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Re: Re: Re: Safest Inject-able
What is your damn problem with reading before you respond?
This is a constant problem with you.
I already stated that many people believe what you said and gave my answer to it. Here's what I said:
That's not discussion... that is you seeing that I suggested Primo, not reading everything I posted, and then jumping at the chance to be contrary.
PLEASE ONLY RESPOND TO MY POSTS WHEN YOU HAVE READ THEM IN THEIR ENTIRETY. Thank You.
Regarding your concerns over money, I realize this is a legitimate concern but not for me, as I am not poor and I will pay a little more when it comes to something I am injecting in my body.
With regards to your comment regarding the availability/legitimacy of Primo, I have to ask:Juice Authority said:
What is your damn problem with reading before you respond?
This is a constant problem with you.
I already stated that many people believe what you said and gave my answer to it. Here's what I said:
An appropriate response would have been to question my answer... not bring up the issue I already stated and addressed and say:JibbyJabba said:
Juice Authority said:
That's not discussion... that is you seeing that I suggested Primo, not reading everything I posted, and then jumping at the chance to be contrary.
PLEASE ONLY RESPOND TO MY POSTS WHEN YOU HAVE READ THEM IN THEIR ENTIRETY. Thank You.
Regarding your concerns over money, I realize this is a legitimate concern but not for me, as I am not poor and I will pay a little more when it comes to something I am injecting in my body.
J
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Oh God. Here we go again. What ever happened to you on the Oral AAS before a workout thread?? After hhadjo came back with the studies you requested we never heard back from ya. I wonder why that is??? This was favorite response by hhadjo to your brillant statement that D-bol raises testosterone levels.."The comment that Dbol increases test. levels suggests a clear lack of knowledge about AAS pharmacology".
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144716&perpage=20&pagenumber=6
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144716&perpage=20&pagenumber=6
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Dial_tone said:
Given that wouldn't Primo not be option for you due to the frequency of injections?
JibbyJabba
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Juice Authority said:
Here we go again? If you are referring to how you do not read in full before posting, then yes, here we go again. You moron. I like your response, though... way to change the subject.
regarding the thread you mentioned...
Go back and read that thread and all those studies. I said I would capitulate the moment I saw a study posted that definitively proved that serum level of testosterone would decrease and not increase IN THE FEW HOURS after ingestion of Dbol. HH posted nothing that said this... again, READ! LEARN TO READ! Are you seriously ADD, to the pointwhere you can only read keywords and not things in their entirety?
HH's statement that you like so much is not proof that I am wrong - it's just a statement not backed up by facts presented. Present the facts...
You are seriously the most dense idiot on EF.
JibbyJabba
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Juice Authority said:
The comment that Primo requires frequent injections suggests a clear lack of knowledge about AAS pharmacology.
Primo has an enanthate esther and can be injected once a week.
However, many like to inject more often.
Bulldog_10
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JibbyJabba said:
I just read that thread for the first time in a long time...and I think the problem over there is that not everyone is talking about the same thing. And some people just plain don't know what they're talking about. Some people are arguing that dbol will help you with your workouts if taken just prior to the workout session (which the thread was originally about) and some people are arguing that dbol decreases testoesterone levels in the long run...whereas other people are arguing just to argue.
Like JJ said, no one has proven anything...just given reasons why they think they are right. That thread deteriorated to the point where it is not even helpful to anyone anymore.
J
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JibbyJabba said:
All someone has to do is read that thread and they'll soon find out who the most "dense" idiot on EF is. The reason you never responded back is because you were dead wrong the entire time and after flaming me like you did you ended up looking like the biggest fucking fool of all. Any advice given by you should be viewed as highly suspect and should be cross-referenced with other people because you obviously lack the most basic understading of AAS. YOU ARE THE FUCKING MORON AND THIS THREAD PROVES IT!
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144716&perpage=20&pagenumber=6
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Juice Authority said:
You already know my feelings about you. Can we agree to never address each other on EF again?
JJ
Bulldog_10
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Oh and by the way...would you guys shut the fuck up and stop hijacking bullgods thread?
This is just going to become another one of those threads that turns into a worthless piece of garbage and no one is going to come out any the wiser. Especially bullgod.
So please, either make another thread or just stop bitching.
This is just going to become another one of those threads that turns into a worthless piece of garbage and no one is going to come out any the wiser. Especially bullgod.So please, either make another thread or just stop bitching.
JibbyJabba
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Bulldog_10 said:
Thank You so much Bulldog... I am so happy to know that there are people on here who can read... nothing was proven, but JA's inability to read.
JibbyJabba
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Bulldog_10 said:Oh and by the way...would you guys shut the fuck up and stop hijacking bullgods thread?
So please, either make another thread or just stop bitching.
Bro... I was one of the first to try and answer BullGod. Then JA chimed in without reading what I posted.
I agree with you... me and JA are going to stop arguing on the forums.
Bulldog_10
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JibbyJabba said:
Oh, i'm not saying it's your fault by any means...i can just see where this is going...and it's not going towards answering the question at hand...that's all.
Bulldog_10
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Damn...I should be a MOD.Bulldog_10 said:
Oh, i'm not saying it's your fault by any means...i can just see where this is going...and it's not going towards answering the question at hand...that's all.
JibbyJabba
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Bulldog_10 said:
Oh, i'm not saying it's your fault by any means...i can just see where this is going...and it's not going towards answering the question at hand...that's all.
Very good call.
This is what really pisses me of on these boards, when you have to siefel through 10 posts of BS to find legit questions. JJ and JA, if you want to fight with one another ... please do it on PM or e-mail. You have nothing to prove to us, and for the most part no one cares!
Now ... JJ has it on the money by saying that Primobolan Depot is bar none the safest injectible (if not safest aas altogether). The fact of the matter is that regardless if JJ's primo is legit, IT IS NOT EASY TO COME BY LEGIT PRIMO (at least like it used to be). I have a few different sources that tell me that they can get primo in, but are just not going to bother because they are not 110% sure it would be legit. I very much admire this. The biggest problem because it is so easily faked is that sometimes even trusted sources do not realise that it is fake. I also talk to a few good bros in the UK, who tell me to hold off from ordering primo for the time being because it is just so sketchy. The number of fakes out are more abundant than the small amounts of real primo being produced. As far as I know Schering is still producing limited quantities of primo from Turkey and Germany.
JJ, did you have the primo tested yourself? Or did you just take the word of your source? By getting this tested it shows right there that you know how commonly this is faked and didnt want to take your chances.
To answer your question, I would hold off from taking your chances with primo until it becomes more readily available and starts be produced in larger quantities. Unless you want to take the risk, spend the extra $$$$$$ to have it tested to find out if its fake or legit or not like JJ did. After all is said and done, maybe its real, or maybe its fake. Either way, you are wasting money. Its just not worth it to me.
My advice to you would be to take some EQ. EQ will produce the same gains as primo, if not better, and the sides are very low when used resposibly. There are some very good underground brands of EQ such as LFC. Also, do not be afraid of orals. With the proper protectants, you will be fine. An oral and injectible working together produce great gains.
If money is not that big of an issue with you, and you decide not to take a chance with primo, I would try something like this.
Wk 1-10:
EQ - 400mgs/wk
Anavar - 35mgs/wk
You will experince some nice solid keepable gains with minimal sides.
Good luck bro!
Mavy
Now ... JJ has it on the money by saying that Primobolan Depot is bar none the safest injectible (if not safest aas altogether). The fact of the matter is that regardless if JJ's primo is legit, IT IS NOT EASY TO COME BY LEGIT PRIMO (at least like it used to be). I have a few different sources that tell me that they can get primo in, but are just not going to bother because they are not 110% sure it would be legit. I very much admire this. The biggest problem because it is so easily faked is that sometimes even trusted sources do not realise that it is fake. I also talk to a few good bros in the UK, who tell me to hold off from ordering primo for the time being because it is just so sketchy. The number of fakes out are more abundant than the small amounts of real primo being produced. As far as I know Schering is still producing limited quantities of primo from Turkey and Germany.
JJ, did you have the primo tested yourself? Or did you just take the word of your source? By getting this tested it shows right there that you know how commonly this is faked and didnt want to take your chances.
To answer your question, I would hold off from taking your chances with primo until it becomes more readily available and starts be produced in larger quantities. Unless you want to take the risk, spend the extra $$$$$$ to have it tested to find out if its fake or legit or not like JJ did. After all is said and done, maybe its real, or maybe its fake. Either way, you are wasting money. Its just not worth it to me.
My advice to you would be to take some EQ. EQ will produce the same gains as primo, if not better, and the sides are very low when used resposibly. There are some very good underground brands of EQ such as LFC. Also, do not be afraid of orals. With the proper protectants, you will be fine. An oral and injectible working together produce great gains.
If money is not that big of an issue with you, and you decide not to take a chance with primo, I would try something like this.
Wk 1-10:
EQ - 400mgs/wk
Anavar - 35mgs/wk
You will experince some nice solid keepable gains with minimal sides.
Good luck bro!
Mavy
J
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Mavy said:
That was exactly the point I was trying to make in the first place about Primo, which somehow got JibbyJabba's panties in an uproar and sparked this useless flame throwing match (again). IMO, Primo is overpriced, hard to find and very commonly faked. That's exactly wat I said. I never disputed the fact that if it is real it's one of the more if not the most safest injectable. The average price for Primo per amp is $14 for 50mg's! The best price I've found it for on one of my lists is this:
Primobolan Depot (Schering), 100 mg/ml, 1 amp --- $11
That's still pretty high IMO. WTF is so very special about primo? I don't get it. Please enlighten me. I used to get it in Mex years ago when it cost $3 per amp.
JibbyJabba - I thought we settled our differences through PM's. I didn't start this BS here. My first comment on your post was in no way a flame. I don't see hw you took it as such.
Yes JA, I can see the point that you were getting at. There is no doubt that there are many other choices out there that offer more bang for the buck. Primo will always be a popular drug for a few reasons besides just being a great all round anabolic.
Solid lean gains
keepable gains
very low side effects
There are a lot of people out there who dont mind spending the extra coin, for safer choices of gear. Because of this it will always be a popluar drug. It is not as popular on the street like the big hitters .. test, deca, dbol, but for people in the know, it is among the first picks. Dbol and Primo are supposedly what built Arnold. I do remember getting primo for a lot cheaper than what it is now. Not quite as cheap as your 3.00, but still pretty cheap.
Mavy
Solid lean gains
keepable gains
very low side effects
There are a lot of people out there who dont mind spending the extra coin, for safer choices of gear. Because of this it will always be a popluar drug. It is not as popular on the street like the big hitters .. test, deca, dbol, but for people in the know, it is among the first picks. Dbol and Primo are supposedly what built Arnold. I do remember getting primo for a lot cheaper than what it is now. Not quite as cheap as your 3.00, but still pretty cheap.
Mavy
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Fucking amazing!
J
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Mavy said:
In TJ about 7-10 years ago when Primo was widely available. It was dirt cheap. I live relatively close to the border and that's where I aways used to go to get my gear until I found other more convenient routes.
Thanks Ride...
JA - I havent been in the game that long, but .... those definately sound like the "Good ol Days" to me. hahahahaha.
I bet there were hardly any fakes at all back then. Kinda shitty when you always wonder in the back of your mind if theres a chance your gear may be fake.
Take care bro,
Mavy
JA - I havent been in the game that long, but .... those definately sound like the "Good ol Days" to me. hahahahaha.
I bet there were hardly any fakes at all back then. Kinda shitty when you always wonder in the back of your mind if theres a chance your gear may be fake.
Take care bro,
Mavy
JibbyJabba
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Dial_tone said:
nothing.
Christ, JA I can't believe you actually cut and pasted that directly from your list. LOL, you mean you have a hookup? Wow. You probably wouldn't have gone through the trouble to cut and paste something that would have actually answered this guy's question, but if it wins the argument then by all means it's definitely worth the trouble.
J
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Watson said:
What are you talking Watson? The arguement betweeen JJ and myself is over. I was just illustratng high ridiculously overpriced Primo is.
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