Im currently using the 20ml satchets. Current cycle is 200mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - ew, 500mg sustanon 250 ew, and 50mg e/d t-bol. As of week 5 I'm not too impressed. I've gained 5 solid pounds while my diet, training, and sleep are dead on. 4200-4500cal, 250g plus high quality protien(chix breast,egg whites, and whey protien drink), and 500g plus carbs, mostly all complex. The only simple glucose I take in is the morning oj and preworkout grape juice. I feel I should be a little further along than this so I may try another supplier on my next cycle. Just my two cents.