S-4 as part of PCT

[Essie]

208lbs
5'11
17%BF (gained some bf while on bulking cycle, which is ongoing still)

Current cycle:

Wk 1-4 - DBol@40mg/day Mo-Fri
Wk 1-18 - Cyp@500mg/Wk pinned Mon
Wk 7-16 - Deca@350mg/Wk pinned Mon
Aromasin for Test sides if any
Caber and Letro on hand for Deca
HCG@250iu/Wk from Wk 3-18

PCT (Planned, but not possible due to customs)
Wk 18-21 - HCGenerate@3 caps AM & 2 caps PM
Wk 18-21 - Forma-Stanzol@5 pumps AM & PM
Wk 18-21 - Clomid@25mg/day ED

Soooo ... I am left with:
Clomid @ 25ED or 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
HCG @ 500iu 2x week

I am in a position where I cannot use Post Cycle/Unleashed, HCGenerate and Forma as part of my on cycle or pct. I have to stick old school (NO, not Nolva) with hcg and Clomid. I was wondering if I could incorporate S-4 into my PCT?

 

[dylangemelli]

no brotha... s4 is never to be used in pct... you can use ostarine but not s4

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[RickRock13]

I will second what Dylan said. NEVER use S4 in PCT due to it being suppressive. It is mild suppression, but still enough to hinder recovery. Ostarine is great in PCT, bit save the S4 to bridge into after you have recovered.

 

[Essie]

Cool, thanks guys ... I need to sharpen up my knowledge on SARMS, to be honest ... but over here in SA, there really isn't much on the shelves to use except loads of bullsh!t powders, shakes, tabs and caps which all promise 'Steroid like Gains without the dangers and side-effects' ... sigh

 

[dylangemelli]

Cool, thanks guys ... I need to sharpen up my knowledge on SARMS, to be honest ... but over here in SA, there really isn't much on the shelves to use except loads of bullsh!t powders, shakes, tabs and caps which all promise 'Steroid like Gains without the dangers and side-effects' ... sigh

you can and should run ostarine (mk2866 in pct bro) and then you can run s4 and osta stacked after pct... i will set you up a sweet sarms bridge if you want... i can help you with anything you need with sarms bro... you know i got your back man! =) unless you pull that french shit again, then im not helping you at all!! LOLLLLL just kidding brotha!

 

[Essie]

you can and should run ostarine (mk2866 in pct bro) and then you can run s4 and osta stacked after pct... i will set you up a sweet sarms bridge if you want... i can help you with anything you need with sarms bro... you know i got your back man! =) unless you pull that french shit again, then im not helping you at all!! LOLLLLL just kidding brotha!

LOL!!!! Oui-oui, Monsieur! S'il vous plaît ne m'aide pas! Anywho ... The only SARM I can find from all my local (SA Based) sources is S-4 ... no-one has anything other than that and with customs, I'm not even able to get HCGenerate into the Country ... so it's a bit of a shit story

 

[dylangemelli]

LOL!!!! Oui-oui, Monsieur! S'il vous plaît ne m'aide pas! Anywho ... The only SARM I can find from all my local (SA Based) sources is S-4 ... no-one has anything other than that and with customs, I'm not even able to get HCGenerate into the Country ... so it's a bit of a shit story

well that fucking sucks man... you can definitely run it after pct and i can still set you up on a nice bridge after if you like... i have something very nice planned for mine coming up and im thinking even with your customs that you would still be able to do some of it...

 

[Essie]

well that fucking sucks man... you can definitely run it after pct and i can still set you up on a nice bridge after if you like... i have something very nice planned for mine coming up and im thinking even with your customs that you would still be able to do some of it...

Would love to try it ... drop me a pm with all details and I'll see what I can get through and what not

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

no brotha... s4 is never to be used in pct... you can use ostarine but not s4

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Do you have any numbers to back up your claim? Or do you only rely on "feelings"?

My PCT with S4 (ca. 20-50 mg/day), after a cycle with ANAVAR:

5th February 2010, immediately after the end of the cycle, when I was "tapering" the Anavar dose down to 10 mg/day:
Testosterone 11,3 ng/dl (almost 100% suppression)

Between 10th-14th February I was taking 10 mg Anavar+S4, and then only S4. I started at ca. 20 mg/day, and in mid-March, I was using ca. 35 mg/day. This dose proved to be barely anti-catabolic.

15th March 2010:
Testosterone 132,1 ng/dl

In late March, I went up to 45-50 mg/day, which finally brought very good results, especially as for strength endurance.

I stopped using S4 on 16th April 2010 and continued on 1 mg anastrozole/day.

5th May 2010:
Testosterone 424,6 ng/dl

I definitely finished with anastrozole on 29th May.

So, as you can see, doses of S4 in the range of 20-35 mg/day didn't interfere with the recovery of testosterone at all, especially when you take into consideration that the testosterone concentration was on the level of a castrated male and we could suppose that it would take several months to regenerate without ancillaries. But I must also add that S4 at such doses was barely effective. I believe that I could take around 40 mg/day without affecting my testosterone recovery in a significant way.

 

[dylangemelli]

Do you have any numbers to back up your claim? Or do you only rely on "feelings"?

My PCT with S4 (ca. 20-50 mg/day), after a cycle with ANAVAR:

5th February 2010, immediately after the end of the cycle, when I was "tapering" the Anavar dose down to 10 mg/day:
Testosterone 11,3 ng/dl (almost 100% suppression)

Between 10th-14th February I was taking 10 mg Anavar+S4, and then only S4. I started at ca. 20 mg/day, and in mid-March, I was using ca. 35 mg/day. This dose proved to be barely anti-catabolic.

15th March 2010:
Testosterone 132,1 ng/dl

In late March, I went up to 45-50 mg/day, which finally brought very good results, especially as for strength endurance.

I stopped using S4 on 16th April 2010 and continued on 1 mg anastrozole/day.

5th May 2010:
Testosterone 424,6 ng/dl

I definitely finished with anastrozole on 29th May.

So, as you can see, doses of S4 in the range of 20-35 mg/day didn't interfere with the recovery of testosterone at all, especially when you take into consideration that the testosterone concentration was on the level of a castrated male and we could suppose that it would take several months to regenerate without ancillaries. But I must also add that S4 at such doses was barely effective. I believe that I could take around 40 mg/day without affecting my testosterone recovery in a significant way.

i think you already know the answer here as you made reference to the dosage already... anyrhing under 50 mg on s4 is much too low to get much of anything from and that is definitely attributing to you not getting suppressed on it... i have seen so many people try to use s4 in pct at 50 mg or more and when they get bloodwork done its always shown low t... its not a coincidence... im pretty insulted with your "feelings" comment and thus will not respond further or this will probably get out of hand... its one thing to ask or bring up a point but you have you make a smartass comment in there its not going to go over well... do i seem like the type of fucking guy that does shit on "feelings" or that has not done thorough homework on the shit i talk about?? fucking ridiculous

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