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running a high dose of test by itself.

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n1tro

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Is it worth running a high dose of test by itself? Or is it always better to stack? I really like test and wanted to run 1gram a week for 12 weeks of cypionate. Is that a bad idea? I've done about 5 cycles I'm 6' 210lbs and naturally lean. My buddy tells me its not worth running it that high because due to my size I dont need that much test....I think he doesnt know what he's talking about.

Help me out.
 
1 Gram of test is not unheard of. I don't think it would be a waste but I find stacking a good class 2 with it (dbol, anavar, winny) works much better.

Everyone is different. The only way to know is to give it a try, but I doubt you'll be disappionted at 1 g a week.
 
It really just depends on your training history, drug use, goals, genetics, etc. I ran a gram of test for the first four weeks of my pre-contest diet, it seemed to help my body comp change as my weight stayed the same. Obviously you aren't doing this pre-contest. That is actually a pretty normal dosage for someone who is pretty serious. I would definitely run some solid anti-e's to keep the bloat off though, that much might turn you into a blowfish. Like I said, it depends on your goals.
 
If U are using cyp, U are much better off doing 1 gram every 10 days. That cyp will be active for 10-12 days so if u are doing a gram every 7, you are lookin at a hell of a build up of testosterone in your body especially on long draw out test cycles. You will be looking at 300mgs or more of extra testosterone that you haven't accounted for flortin around your bloodstream by week 10. That will definately bring your natural production to a halt. Try a gram every 10 days and 1iu of hcg every 4-5 days for 30 days after week 5. Oh and you will see much better results if you do stack this with even a low dose of say d-bol. A dose of as low as 20mgs of d every day would bring great results.
Hope this helps,
-dino

silverbackn said:
It really just depends on your training history, drug use, goals, genetics, etc. I ran a gram of test for the first four weeks of my pre-contest diet, it seemed to help my body comp change as my weight stayed the same. Obviously you aren't doing this pre-contest. That is actually a pretty normal dosage for someone who is pretty serious. I would definitely run some solid anti-e's to keep the bloat off though, that much might turn you into a blowfish. Like I said, it depends on your goals.
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My .02 -

I don't think that a gram a week is crazy if you're going for a considerable jump in mass. Although if you're just being impatient, I'd stick with 500-600mg per week, skip the sides, and take your time. I don't know if it matters to you or not, but at a gram per week EVERYBODY will know you're a juiceball and if you have any hair problems, make the appointment at hairclub now ;o) I don't think that 12 weeks is too long, but I'd be more inclined to front load and just do 10 weeks - I think the results would be very similar.

I agree with the advice you've gotten:
(1) A class 2 like dbol at 20-30mg ed in 4 or 5 divided doses - It creates a nice synergy, but watch your bp. But, I'd advise against winny.
(2) GH (maybe 2iu eod) - With that much test, heavy training can lead to tears so take care of the connective tissues (thus, no winny).

Of course, the three obvious things you already know:
(1) Make sure you have your ancilliaries ready to go for the cycle and PCT.
(2) Eat like a ravenous pig.
(3) Get your bloodwork done.

B-EF
 
if you try it please post your results.. week to week and pic..
 
Thanks for the feedback from everyone. I'm more concerened with knowing if running that high of a dose will lead to more gains and a stronger sensation of increased test in my system. Is it possible that at 750mg per week my body is using as much synthetic test as possible, and an increase to that dose will be unoticed? I'm saying 750mg as a random amount. Usually my cycles consist of a little over a gram a week of total gear at a time anyway so it's not so much the 1 gram being too much at a time that I'm worried about, is more will my body be able to make use of that much extra test?

If I decide to go with it I'll definitley post results for you. I never get too much water retention. I just finished a NPP/PROP/DBOL cycle and I had veins ripping through my arms when I was on it.
 
ive gone up to 1g of test only and loved it.. pumps got a lil severe and interfered with my OL training so i cut it back to 750.. best cycle evar!

havent you ever heard the old phrase: double your dose double your gains!

good luck
 
havent you ever heard the old phrase: double your dose double your gains
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Nope but I've heard that, double dose, doesn't equal double gains :)


That being said, Test from what I heard is good to run by itself. I am going to do my first cycle very soon, which will be 500mg testE ew, 10 weeks. So I'd say go for it, although I haven't tried.
 
n1tro said:
Thanks for the feedback from everyone. I'm more concerened with knowing if running that high of a dose will lead to more gains and a stronger sensation of increased test in my system. Is it possible that at 750mg per week my body is using as much synthetic test as possible, and an increase to that dose will be unoticed? I'm saying 750mg as a random amount. Usually my cycles consist of a little over a gram a week of total gear at a time anyway so it's not so much the 1 gram being too much at a time that I'm worried about, is more will my body be able to make use of that much extra test?

If I decide to go with it I'll definitley post results for you. I never get too much water retention. I just finished a NPP/PROP/DBOL cycle and I had veins ripping through my arms when I was on it.
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this is classic post by doggcrapp...
it talks about the basics a good read enjoy

Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year (again) I came from a very very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago)so gains have never come easy and I didnt start super supplements until I was 225 clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic) What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the endall super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much -these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug). (and gh if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time)for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you cant gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isnt going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro freind Ive had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria

Sorry bout that, I wrote that post quickly and I should of been a little more responsible with saying-those dosages are what I am seeing superheavies who have been around for a while doing. I am of the opinion that people should use the lowest dosages possible that will keep them gaining. If a newbie bodybuilder starts off with 2 grams of T every week and a high dose of fina etc etc and eventually taps out on that where is he going to go? 4000 a week? I believe one should make their way up 750, to 1000 to 1200 to 1500 and so on slowly thru cycles. I am an advocate of the 4 week on 2 week cruising (then back on) method not because of receptor site saturation but due to 3 very important (to me) factors...1)I lift extremely heavy and I push the limits for 4 weeks and I just need 2 weeks to kind of regroup myself and then go balls to the wall again with poundages for the next 4 weeks
2)Same with food intake-I religiously get in 500 to 600 grams of protein and I have to give myself a little break for those 2 weeks(i only go down to 400grams or so) or I'll go crazy
3) I think its of utmost importance to keep yourself regulated hpta wise. If your endogenous test levels diminish due to constant months of high androgens when you do finally come off those size gains fly out the door...if you can keep your endo test somewhat normal you wont get the huge problems that keep most bodybuilders bouncing up and down in bodyweight like yo yo's..namely getting colds and flu's/injuries/depression/lack of aggresion and appetite (which usually means test to estrogen ratio out of whack)...During the cruising period the 400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different routes) to homeostasis as possible.
As far as GH, I have never used it and I wish I could. But the cost is just too much for me at this time. From what I've witnessed short cycles will not do anything so unless I can run it for at least 6 months I am not going to bother. Opinions down here vary but most follow Milos's lead and do 5 days on 2 days off at 6IU's a day or 6 days on 4 off.
 
The phrase "test is the best" didn't come around for nothing. You'll get great gains off of a G of test wether you're dieting for a show or bulking. I use test for my base and then build all other drugs around it. The only time I take it out is 1 week out from a show.
 
thanks again for the input. I just dont hope running a gram a test doesn't feel the same as when I run 500mg of it. Thats the theory thats bothering me, it may sound stupid but I can see the logic behind that. Well test isn't too exoensive so this experiment wont be too costly.
 
Can someone else chime in on this if they think they have some useful advice. Thanks.

Do you think I should use a T400 blend of cyp, enan, and decanoate esters or just all cyp ?
 
n1tro said:
Can someone else chime in on this if they think they have some useful advice. Thanks.

Do you think I should use a T400 blend of cyp, enan, and decanoate esters or just all cyp ?
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All Cyp, you can easily get 1000mg with 250mg/ml Cyp, 2ml twice a week.

I would suggest you stack with low dose orals, and I mean something like 10-15mg of winny or dbol ED. For some reason it has always made a big difference in how I cycle. I can't really give you the scientific explanation on this one, something about IGF-1 and the liver :)
 
Why not throw in some dbol during the first four weeks to kickstart the cycle? I'm on 900mg of Test/week right now, also kickstarted with some dbol. You'll grow like no other!
 
n1tro said:
Can someone else chime in on this if they think they have some useful advice. Thanks.

Do you think I should use a T400 blend of cyp, enan, and decanoate esters or just all cyp ?
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Just go with the single ester of cyp. U won't be dissapointed, test is the "MOTHER" of anabolics. Plus, with a gram or more per week it won't take long till u feel it kick in! ;)
 
BigAndy69 said:
All Cyp, you can easily get 1000mg with 250mg/ml Cyp, 2ml twice a week.

I would suggest you stack with low dose orals, and I mean something like 10-15mg of winny or dbol ED. For some reason it has always made a big difference in how I cycle. I can't really give you the scientific explanation on this one, something about IGF-1 and the liver :)
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Thanks for the advice BA, appreciated as always. I was going to go with the new syrus T400 three times a week, but maybe I'll switch it to the syrus cyp and a low dose of dbol. I'd love to get my hands on some syrus dbol but I dont think its out yet. The orbit dbol I just finished I was using at 50mg ed and it didnt seem that strong.
 
n1tro said:
Thanks for the advice BA, appreciated as always. I was going to go with the new syrus T400 three times a week, but maybe I'll switch it to the syrus cyp and a low dose of dbol. I'd love to get my hands on some syrus dbol but I dont think its out yet. The orbit dbol I just finished I was using at 50mg ed and it didnt seem that strong.
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400mg/ml is not something I would recommend. It's great that they put 3 esters in the product (decanoate and enanthate are very oild soluble) but I imagine it would still hurt. Not necessarily from the alcohol content but from the high concentration. It's up to you but I would go with regular cyp at 2.5ml twice a week, or Cypadex which is 300mg/ml.

Syrus does not have dbol or winny out yet, but I've been told it will be out shortly. I suggest you pick up the Thai dbol replicas, they are from the syrus group, they are 6mg from what I've been told and I know 2 guys who are loving it.
 
BigAndy69 said:
400mg/ml is not something I would recommend. It's great that they put 3 esters in the product (decanoate and enanthate are very oild soluble) but I imagine it would still hurt. Not necessarily from the alcohol content but from the high concentration. It's up to you but I would go with regular cyp at 2.5ml twice a week, or Cypadex which is 300mg/ml.

Syrus does not have dbol or winny out yet, but I've been told it will be out shortly. I suggest you pick up the Thai dbol replicas, they are from the syrus group, they are 6mg from what I've been told and I know 2 guys who are loving it.
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Thats good to hear. I loved the syrus ProNPP so as of now anything from syrus is good in my opinion. The product line is only getting better as the months go by.
 
n1tro said:
Thats good to hear. I loved the syrus ProNPP so as of now anything from syrus is good in my opinion. The product line is only getting better as the months go by.
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Yeah, the lineup keeps getting bigger and bigger. I know they are releasing Masteron soon as well as dbol, winny, anadrol tabs and I've even heard HCG might be produced.
 
BigAndy69 said:
Yeah, the lineup keeps getting bigger and bigger. I know they are releasing Masteron soon as well as dbol, winny, anadrol tabs and I've even heard HCG might be produced.
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Right on. They have me hooked. The suspension is giving me explosive power in the gym right now. Test suspension is the "crack" of gear. I swear when I shoot up I get a testosterone high within 2 hours. Getting to the bottom of my bottle right now and it is crippling me.
 
BigAndy69 said:
I would suggest you stack with low dose orals, and I mean something like 10-15mg of winny or dbol ED. For some reason it has always made a big difference in how I cycle. I can't really give you the scientific explanation on this one, something about IGF-1 and the liver :)
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I agree, I just started 750mg Sust weekly, but when I throw in that 35mg of dbol, BOOM! Dbol and Test is just plain amazing
 
dinosback75 said:
If U are using cyp, U are much better off doing 1 gram every 10 days. That cyp will be active for 10-12 days so if u are doing a gram every 7, you are lookin at a hell of a build up of testosterone in your body especially on long draw out test cycles. You will be looking at 300mgs or more of extra testosterone that you haven't accounted for flortin around your bloodstream by week 10. That will definately bring your natural production to a halt. Try a gram every 10 days and 1iu of hcg every 4-5 days for 30 days after week 5. Oh and you will see much better results if you do stack this with even a low dose of say d-bol. A dose of as low as 20mgs of d every day would bring great results.
Hope this helps,
-dino
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Esterified gear is not active. When you inject cyp, most of it get's stored in your body fat then slowly released into your blood where esterase enzymes remove the ester and leave the base steroid to work it's magic.

The base steroid will only have about 30 minutes in the bloodstream before it is deactivated by the liver. While test cypionate will build up in the body; it does so in it's inactive (esterified) form. Eventually (6 weeks roughly) enough will build up that the same amount you are injecting per week will be absorbed in one week.

It is only when gear is de-esterified in the blood that it can cause any gains or side effects.
 
nydj66 said:
Esterified gear is not active. When you inject cyp, most of it get's stored in your body fat then slowly released into your blood where esterase enzymes remove the ester and leave the base steroid to work it's magic.

The base steroid will only have about 30 minutes in the bloodstream before it is deactivated by the liver. While test cypionate will build up in the body; it does so in it's inactive (esterified) form. Eventually (6 weeks roughly) enough will build up that the same amount you are injecting per week will be absorbed in one week.

It is only when gear is de-esterified in the blood that it can cause any gains or side effects.
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Would the amount of gear you inject at the beginning of the cycle decrease the time it takes for a significant level to be reached?

For example a guy doing 500mg per week twice a week compaired to injecting 1250mg in the first day then as the next couple weeks go by spread out the injection to 2 times per week.
 
Stacking increases the drugs effects, makes a nice cocktail. think about it, a shake with milk and strawberrys taste good, but a shake with strawberrys, blueberries and bananas taste better. A high dose of test by itself is good, but other drugs only enhance the effects
 
Bigdogmikey said:
Stacking increases the drugs effects, makes a nice cocktail. think about it, a shake with milk and strawberrys taste good, but a shake with strawberrys, blueberries and bananas taste better. A high dose of test by itself is good, but other drugs only enhance the effects
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I've never actually used it alone. When I cycle I feel like the test works really well while other drugs aren't doing as much. Maybe my imagination but I want to know how this much test feels and I wouldnt go this high and stack anything else. If I'm dissapointed in 6 weeks I'll adjust the dose and through somethign fast acting in there, probably some syrus tren if anything. For chrsit sake I'll be running 1250mg of test a week, if that doesn't feel great I will be amazed.
 
im on 2000mg of enantate
700mg of tren for 8 weeks
25mg of halo for 4 weeks
50mg of proviron
20mg of nolva
4-5 ius of gh for the last 6 monthes im going for 11/2 years
and hcg/clomid.
 
Bigdogmikey said:
im on 2000mg of enantate
700mg of tren for 8 weeks
25mg of halo for 4 weeks
50mg of proviron
20mg of nolva
4-5 ius of gh for the last 6 monthes im going for 11/2 years
and hcg/clomid.
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Thats simply amazing. So how big are you, bf%, etc...
 
Bro check my gallery, Im 5'10 around 252, maybe 8-9% bodyfat, 32 inch waist, 52 inch chest 19 7/8 inch arms, 29 inch quads 18inch calves, 16.5 inch 4 arm
 
n1tro said:
Would the amount of gear you inject at the beginning of the cycle decrease the time it takes for a significant level to be reached?

For example a guy doing 500mg per week twice a week compaired to injecting 1250mg in the first day then as the next couple weeks go by spread out the injection to 2 times per week.
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Injecting a higher dosage at the beginning of a cycle will get you to your target serum test levels sooner and is called front-loading.

However, I wouldn't do it all in the first day like in your example. Typically I double the dosage I intend to end up at and run the double dose for a time period equal to 1 half-life of the AAS in question.

For test cyp you would inject twice weekly and double the dosage of the first 3 injections. Thus you would be at target serum level in 7 days.
 
nydj66 said:
Injecting a higher dosage at the beginning of a cycle will get you to your target serum test levels sooner and is called front-loading.

However, I wouldn't do it all in the first day like in your example. Typically I double the dosage I intend to end up at and run the double dose for a time period equal to 1 half-life of the AAS in question.

For test cyp you would inject twice weekly and double the dosage of the first 3 injections. Thus you would be at target serum level in 7 days.
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Well if I'm injecting 625mg twice a week. 1250mg in one day would be twice the dosage. If I wanted to front load my cycle how should I do these injections? Like I said the plan is for 2, 2.5ml shots a week.
 
n1tro said:
Well if I'm injecting 625mg twice a week. 1250mg in one day would be twice the dosage. If I wanted to front load my cycle how should I do these injections? Like I said the plan is for 2, 2.5ml shots a week.
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I appologize, I didn't realize in the first post that your plan was to run 1.25g per week. If you've been at the level before without any trouble, then go ahead and front-load this time by doubling the first 2 or 3 injections.

If this is your first time at that high a dose, I think it would be wiser to just start injecting at 625mg twice per week and let your serum testosterone level build up more gradually.
 
nydj66 said:
I appologize, I didn't realize in the first post that your plan was to run 1.25g per week. If you've been at the level before without any trouble, then go ahead and front-load this time by doubling the first 2 or 3 injections.

If this is your first time at that high a dose, I think it would be wiser to just start injecting at 625mg twice per week and let your serum testosterone level build up more gradually.
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Good point. I'll do it just like that. The most test I've done is 750mg a week. With my cycle history and dosage I'm sure this should be a monster. Plus I think this syrus cyp is going to be really good, I'm counting on it.
 
AlwaysOn said:
n1tro,

no offense

but after 5 cycles you are only 210 at 6 feet?


again no offense
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No offense taken. I could be alittle bigger I guess but I've only done what I would say is three real cycles. My first two were so light they were almost useless for me. Cycle one was 8 weeks of primo at 200mg a week and cycle two was sust at one amp a week for 8 weeks, that was about 5 years ago and then I didnt cycle again for about another 2 years.

My bf% is pretty dam low. I can bench 315 for 5 reps. Squat three plates for 5 reps, and I can deadlift 4 plates for 5 reps.
 
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