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Ron Paul is dominating this Debate

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I have trouble understanding Rick Perry. 27 year old boy, what?
 
I cant understand how ppl still go with this left- right bullshit. It's the same shit. Paul is honestly the only one. I wanna know when ppl will wake up from this left- right paradigm.
 
machine23 said:
I cant understand how ppl still go with this left- right bullshit. It's the same shit. Paul is honestly the only one. I wanna know when ppl will wake up from this left- right paradigm.
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I agree that the left-right mess has to be done away with.

So which strategy is more effective?

1) Ron Paul Approach: Americans wake-up and realize they are being played by both sides. This will require lots of education and critical thinking skills.

2) Strangle the Government of Revenue: Refuse to raise taxes and cut the government's revenue at every corner. Starve the government to death which will force both parties to diminish in relevance.

I'm not sure mainstream voters will ever understand the subtle similarities between both parties, but they can understand the concept of the government stealing and wasting too much money.
 
how would a paul presidency pan out? i think he would be disdained by both parties and his impact would be minimal cause at every turn he would be getting cock blocked by lefties opposed to his conservatism and righties jealous of his victory.
i smell gridlock worse than the during the One's reign of awesomeness
 
binö said:
how would a paul presidency pan out? i think he would be disdained by both parties and his impact would be minimal cause at every turn he would be getting cock blocked by lefties opposed to his conservatism and righties jealous of his victory.
i smell gridlock worse than the during the One's reign of awesomeness
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I think we need something different and we try our best to change the whole system. Leaving the current system will lead.... well you know where.
 
lartinos said:
I think we need something different and we try our best to change the whole system. Leaving the current system will lead.... well you know where.
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i agree but change is so slow going in our system (for good reason i suppose)...think about the ingrained interests in congress and how long it would take to root these out.
decades
 
binö said:
i agree but change is so slow going in our system (for good reason i suppose)...think about the ingrained interests in congress and how long it would take to root these out.
decades
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That's what sucks, but it is not a reason to not start moving in the right direction. We will have rioting in this country if Paul doesn't win I think... We'll see.
 
binö said:
how would a paul presidency pan out? i think he would be disdained by both parties and his impact would be minimal cause at every turn he would be getting cock blocked by lefties opposed to his conservatism and righties jealous of his victory.
i smell gridlock worse than the during the One's reign of awesomeness
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That's fine though, because that will open up everything to seeing how he's really trying to fix all this but our corrupt politicians are not letting him. Thing is, we don't hold out politicians accountable for anything. They just resign and that's it. I bet if we started executing a few of these MF they wouldn't be doing the shit that they do
 
machine23 said:
That's fine though, because that will open up everything to seeing how he's really trying to fix all this but our corrupt politicians are not letting him. Thing is, we don't hold out politicians accountable for anything. They just resign and that's it. I bet if we started executing a few of these MF they wouldn't be doing the shit that they do
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It is true that we do not keep people accountable in this country. If we did we would not be in the predicament we currently are in.
Look at USPS... How the fuck did it lose 5 billion dollars!
 
lartinos said:
That's what sucks, but it is not a reason to not start moving in the right direction. We will have rioting in this country if Paul doesn't win I think... We'll see.
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i predict rioting in urban areas and universities when obama doesn't get reelected to his rightful throne.
dems are pulling out all the stops for this one, currently laying the foundations for no id/proof of citizenship voter rights cause it's racist and jim crow to ask peeps to show i.d
 
mrplunkey said:
I agree that the left-right mess has to be done away with.

So which strategy is more effective?

1) Ron Paul Approach: Americans wake-up and realize they are being played by both sides. This will require lots of education and critical thinking skills.

2) Strangle the Government of Revenue: Refuse to raise taxes and cut the government's revenue at every corner. Starve the government to death which will force both parties to diminish in relevance.

I'm not sure mainstream voters will ever understand the subtle similarities between both parties, but they can understand the concept of the government stealing and wasting too much money.
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More ppl are starting to wake up but there are still a lot of ppl not knowing what's going on in their country. Paul stated within his first year he would be able to cut $1 trillion dollars. I honest believe him. He been preaching the same shit for like 40 years. Hasn't flipped flopped like newt and mitt... And these debates are starting to become lIke reality shows
 
machine23 said:
More ppl are starting to wake up but there are still a lot of ppl not knowing what's going on in their country. Paul stated within his first year he would be able to cut $1 trillion dollars. I honest believe him. He been preaching the same shit for like 40 years. Hasn't flipped flopped like newt and mitt... And these debates are starting to become lIke reality shows
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how would he without congressional approval? aside from some right gop bros voting with him i'm sure the entire dem cacus would rally against him stripping them of their hard won entitlement claims
 
binö said:
how would he without congressional approval? aside from some right gop bros voting with him i'm sure the entire dem cacus would rally against him stripping them of their hard won entitlement claims
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Through signing statements hahahahha.. Nah he wouldnt do anythinh like that. Hahhaha that would be funny tho. Cause Obama said he wouldn't do it and he does it all the time
 
redsamurai said:
so that's the "Ron Paul" approach in it's totality?

idiot
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This is interesting to me.

1) its

2) How could your flea-sized brain possibly think I was trying to summarize Ron Paul's approach "in its totality"?

I really want to understand this. Can you provide a word or phrase as evidence, or is this one of those silly "feel" things you cite from time-to-time?
 
you called me out on my opinion that you're indeed a simpletonian who makes the most mealy mouthed and vapid of arguments.....call away simpleton.
 
redsamurai said:
^^^^confirmation that you're still a clueless obsolete old man.
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There's that anger again!

C'mon now. You can be a really entertaining guy when you stick to acting confident in the face of being 100% wrong. Angry RS is just kinda dark and pathetic.
 
bet you i sleep better after a little pot than you do on your lunesta. That shit's gonna give you a legit heart attack in a few years.
 
redsamurai said:
bet you i sleep better after a little pot than you do on your lunesta. That shit's gonna give you a legit heart attack in a few years.
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Yeah but you've got a comfortable couch in your mom's basement and those spiderman underoos to comfort you as well.
 
if Obama lets the ndaa go through without a veto, I'll throw my support to Ron Paul if Obama is put up again for 2012. Shocking? Yeah, I'm pissed. Obama has broken all of his campaign promises.
 
cap gunz said:
if Obama lets the ndaa go through without a veto, I'll throw my support to Ron Paul if Obama is put up again for 2012. Shocking? Yeah, I'm pissed. Obama has broken all of his campaign promises.
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he's already back off the veto threat...and realistically he over promised...cooling the earf and lowering sea levels, i mean wtf? how could anyone be so naive to think that wasn't poly grandstanding?
r/paul is super conservative, moreso than any neocon you detest...i'd be suprized if you supported him
 
Obama is not a leader and weak. None of this should be a surprise to anyone given his background and previous track record.
 
superdave said:
Obama is not a leader and weak. None of this should be a surprise to anyone given his background and previous track record.
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with some political seasoning he coulda learned more...instead of jumping from frosh senator to the big leagues.
he never learned how to work with others
 
binö said:
with some political seasoning he coulda learned more...instead of jumping from frosh senator to the big leagues.
he never learned how to work with others
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Somebody once said the presidency is not the place for on the job training
 
Ron is doing it again. Everyone is attacking Newt instead saying shit really. They can suck my caucus with all this BSing..
 
Paul's comment about how we've split personal freedom from economic freedom was very accurate. He said both the court and the congress has failed to recognize them as the same issue.

Redsam and/or Lart: What did his comment mean to you? Do you agree with his sentiment?
 
mrplunkey said:
Paul's comment about how we've split personal freedom from economic freedom was very accurate. He said both the court and the congress has failed to recognize them as the same issue.

Redsam and/or Lart: What did his comment mean to you? Do you agree with his sentiment?
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What specific personal freedoms and economic freedoms do you think he is addressing?
I know there is a disconnect, but I can't think how of how to explain it.
I missed part of the debates doing stuff, I got really glued when the Fox commentator was trying to attack Ron.Ron gets the last word in every argument that i've seen I think. I also pay attention when they are talking about abortion or Gay rights. They had to stop the debates after the abortion part when some dood was getting loud in the audience. I wonder what the hell he was saying.
 
I am re-watching it now, hopefully that part wasn't shown yet.
Government sponsored enterprise, I heard that whole part the first time?
Newt had no retort for RON there, nothing. I need to find these ads that Ron is running against Newt.
 
Plunkey do you agree with Romney's view that O'Bama doesn't have as good of an understanding of how the economy works compared to Romney?
O'Bama seems very questionable in that way, Solyndra should be hard to defend.
 
lartinos said:
Plunkey do you agree with Romney's view that O'Bama doesn't have as good of an understanding of how the economy works compared to Romney?
O'Bama seems very questionable in that way, Solyndra should be hard to defend.
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Plunkey couldn't be here to reply, butt he gave orders to me to respond affirmatively, e.g., he agrees
 
lartinos said:
What specific personal freedoms and economic freedoms do you think he is addressing?
I know there is a disconnect, but I can't think how of how to explain it.
I missed part of the debates doing stuff, I got really glued when the Fox commentator was trying to attack Ron.Ron gets the last word in every argument that i've seen I think. I also pay attention when they are talking about abortion or Gay rights. They had to stop the debates after the abortion part when some dood was getting loud in the audience. I wonder what the hell he was saying.
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When Paul talks about economic versus individual freedom, he's talking about how cleverly we've separated the two over time when in fact they are indivisible.

You can't go go someone and say: "I'm going to give you personal liberty. Freedom to travel. Freedom to express your opinion. Freedom of religion. Freedom to pick your profession. Freedom to pursue your own educational strategy. But Oh... one little thing.... You've got to surrender 35% (or 39% if the libs get their way) of everything you make to the government."

That's not real freedom anymore than having a state-mandated religion, a two-child limit, a caste system or speech rules.
 
mrplunkey said:
When Paul talks about economic versus individual freedom, he's talking about how cleverly we've separated the two over time when in fact they are indivisible.

You can't go go someone and say: "I'm going to give you personal liberty. Freedom to travel. Freedom to express your opinion. Freedom of religion. Freedom to pick your profession. Freedom to pursue your own educational strategy. But Oh... one little thing.... You've got to surrender 35% (or 39% if the libs get their way) of everything you make to the government."

That's not real freedom anymore than having a state-mandated religion, a two-child limit, a caste system or speech rules.
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I agree and feel that everyday in my bracket. People who are doing jack shit while I work and try hard while the Libs want to just hand shit out. The real freedom comes from not doing anything and collecting from the government.
 
lartinos said:
Plunkey do you agree with Romney's view that O'Bama doesn't have as good of an understanding of how the economy works compared to Romney?
O'Bama seems very questionable in that way, Solyndra should be hard to defend.
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Barry has absolutely no clue as to how the economy works, or he's incredibly cynical.

Let me give you a specific example:

Barry continues to try to tax medical device manufactures. He's got a 2.3% revenue tax coming in 2013.

At the same time, he's put incredible restrictions on the introduction of new medical devices, even ones that are identical to ones already being sold (not new technology, devices that are "substantially equivalent" using FDA parlance).

So let's get this straight: You want to crack-down on what you see as device companies getting rich, but you're also going to systematically wipe-out the possibility of new competitors getting into the market?

So will the existing companies have a 2.3% price increase? Of course they will. And who will be there to challenge the increase? It certainly won't be any new company, because they're all still hung-up getting FDA approval (via the 510(k) process).

So I can't really say if its cluelessness or cynicism, but either way its incredibly naive, short-sighted and counterproductive.
 
cap gunz said:
if Obama lets the ndaa go through without a veto, I'll throw my support to Ron Paul if Obama is put up again for 2012. Shocking? Yeah, I'm pissed. Obama has broken all of his campaign promises.
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Your kidding right?!!!! There is no doubt that it's going to be implemented..
 
cap gunz said:
if Obama lets the ndaa go through without a veto, I'll throw my support to Ron Paul if Obama is put up again for 2012. Shocking? Yeah, I'm pissed. Obama has broken all of his campaign promises.
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It seems odd for that to be your issue.

Barry's been blowing-up more people (US and non-US) with drones than Bush ever even thought about.

So blowing them up with an unmanned drone is ok, but detaining them without due process upsets you?

I'd rather be detained than blown-up, unless the blow is coming from a cute 18 year old with small incisors.
 
I was for Perry for several months, but am now split between Paul and Romney. Paul is (IMHO) more of a moderate, and that might give him a better chance. But Romney is doing an excellent job at keeping as close to the moderate side as his reputation allows, so I'm not sure. But I am sure that Romney is better with business principles, and knows how to send the economy on the road to repair. Paul hasn't really convinced me yet, and sadly as a Texan I have to say, Perry is too much of a hot head and has too big a mouth to make it.

Charles
 
PICK3 said:
Plunkey couldn't be here to reply, butt he gave orders to me to respond affirmatively, e.g., he agrees
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tell him if he upgrades to windows 7 he can split his screen between EF and skype. Best of both worlds really, he gets to keep an eye on you and still post up nonsense here
 
binö said:
and moreso conservative, in the sense that the fed has a minimal impact on such matters as drugs or military oversea presence
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I really don't even know what "conservatism" is anymore but suffice to say that the most staunch of conservatives cant' stand Ron Paul. Now why would that be if Pauls beleifs were "moreso conservative"? Conservatism has become hijacked by the so called "moral majority". See Paul has to talk the conservative route when it comes to social issues or he wouldnt be invited to a single GOP debate. In reality, and the right wingers know this...libertarians by definition don't give a fuck if two men or two women want to marry and the right to do with your own body as you please is SACROSANCT!! So while Paul say's he's personally against abortion he plays politics with that issue cause he does not want to address it lest he "royally" piss off the far right. Neoconservatism is a broadway show, nothing more. NeoCons beleive you achieve peace "only" through war....in reality they are just a group spawned by the military/industrial complex to come up with a "darn good" philosophical reason to constantly wage war.
 
redsamurai said:
I really don't even know what "conservatism" is anymore but suffice to say that the most staunch of conservatives cant' stand Ron Paul. Now why would that be if Pauls beleifs were "moreso conservative"? Conservatism has become hijacked by the so called "moral majority".
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I belong to the "oral minority" :wavey:
 
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