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Rolling During Shrugs

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WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT ROLLING DURING SHRUGS? TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE, ROLLING IS WHEN YOU KIND OF PUSH YOUR SHULDERS UP AND FORWARD, THEN UP TO THE TOP, THEN DOWN AND BACK? DOES THAT CAUSE ROTATOR CUFF DAMAGE? OR WHAT?

THANKS.

2 TON HOSS
 
Never roll your shoulders during shrugs-ONLY go straight up and down.

I am not gonna give some geeky cut+paste answer why either but anyone who knows training will tell you to go straight up and down.

Traps build easily so shrug fast straight up and down dont pull your head back in the vulture position when straining.

Your weight on the bar could soon exceed the time that you could hold onto it so dont waste any time fucking up your shoulders by rolling.
 
Why are you doing the shrugs?

Why do you want to roll them at the top?

How will rolling them help you meet your goals?

B True
 
ALL I AM INTERESTED IN IS WHY IT IS BAD TO DO. IF IT IS NOT ACTUALLY BAD OR PROBLEM CAUSING TO ROLL, THEN JUST SAY SO, AND JUST SAY IT'S A SUB-OPTIMAL WAY TO WORK OUT. IF IT IS IN FACT BAD OR PROBLEMATIC TO ROLL, I'D APPRECIATE KNOWING THE ANSWER. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT IS COOL, BUT IT KIND OF PISSES ME OFF I ASK A QUESTION AND I GET THIS "I AM NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHY BUT BELIEVE ME IT IS BAD" FROM ONE GUY AND THIS SIGMUND FREUD ACT FROM THE OTHER.

HEE HEE

2 TON HOSS
 
2 ton hoss said:
BUT IT KIND OF PISSES ME OFF I ASK A QUESTION AND I GET THIS "I AM NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHY BUT BELIEVE ME IT IS BAD" FROM ONE GUY AND THIS SIGMUND FREUD ACT FROM THE OTHER.
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It kind of pisses me off when people make asshole statements like that about people that are trying to help them.
 
Thaibox said:


It kind of pisses me off when people make asshole statements like that about people that are trying to help them.
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I AM NOT BEING AN ASSHOLE. I AM BEING REALISTIC. LET US REVIEW THE SITUATION.

1) HOSS ASKS EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH DOING ROTATING SHRUGS IS, BECAUSE HOSS IS IGNORANT AND HOSS WANTS TO KNOW IF ANYONE KNOWS.

2) THE FIRST GUY BASICALLY JUST SAYS "THEY'RE BAD, DON'T DO THEM" AND TELLS ME THE RIGHT WAY TO BUILD UP TRAPS. WELL FINE AND DANDY, BUT WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO KNOW WAS WHAT I ASKED, I.E., WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH DOING ROLLS IS.

3) THE SECOND GUY ASKS ME A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE QUESTION. I DO NOT WANT TO DO GOAL SETTING. I DO NOT WANT TO REVIEW MY WORKOUT PROGRAM. I ASKED A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION AND I GOT VERY GENERAL ANSWERS.

NOW THIS IS NOT THE CHAT BOARD. IN THERE, I ASK A QUESTION, I EXPECT TO BE BULLSHITTED AND HAVE SOME FUN. HERE, IF I ASK A QUESTION, EITHER I EXPECT AN ANSWER OR I EXPECT NO REPLY AT ALL. MAYBE I AM OUT OF LINE, MAYBE THIS BOARD IS JUST LIKE THE CHAT BOARD BUT MORE DIRECTED TOWARDS LIFTING GOSSIP. WHO KNOWS.

AND I DO NOT BELIEVE I HAVE BEEN AN ASSHOLE. I HAVE NOT INSULTED ANYONE, BUT MERELY SPOKEN THE TRUTH. WHY SHOULD I BE THANKFUL FOR PEOPLE GIVING ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS I DID NOT ASK? I DO NOT BEGRUDGE THEM ANYTHING, BUT NEITHER WILL I THANK THEM.

ANYWAY THIS IS ALL TOO COMPLICATED. YOU ARE TOO EMOTIONAL, THAI. USE SOME LOGIC. I GUESS I WILL JUST ASK SOME GUYS IN THE GYM TOMORROW.

HOPE NO ONE TOOK OFFENSE AT THIS. I AM A VERY DETACHED PERSON SOMETIMES, BUT I MEANT ABSOLUTELY NO OFFENSE (NEITHER DID I MEAN TO BE LOVEY DOVEY)
 
2 Ton is right, no one is giving him a straight answer to his simple question.

Personally, I'm not sure if it will cause any damage to roll your shoulders. However, it won't help you build your traps either.
 
I'll take the heat for being devils Advocate on this one...

I believe BFold's questions are what I call Clarifying Questions.
In order to best answer your question he may want to know why you are asking this SPECIFIC question bro.

There are Mixed reviews regarding Shrugs and Benefits and Risks or rolling them.

Do a search as this question has been asked a few times and has had several near flame fests ensue.

Some say the rolling gives the full range of motion benefit.

Other say if you roll with a heavy weight, say good bye to your Shoulder Rotator cuffs.

Out
 
There's an assumption that rolling your shoulders at the top of a shrug will hit the trap more completely. This is false, for the trap's only involvment in that movement is up and down. The back-to-forward movement is done by the rotator cuffs, and delts to a lesser extent.

Rolling is basically an unnecessary strain on the lower shoulders that provides little or no stimulation toward muscle building.
 
My questions were not meant to be rude. I really don't appreciate the fact that you asked questions yet you get pissed off with the answers that you get.

If you answer my questions...you will probably see that rolling them will not help to meet your goals. If you don't have any goals then good luck with getting anywhere with this or any sport. If your training does NOT specifically meet your goals...then why do it?

If your goal was to bring out your lower traps...or the rear of them...I would have suggested doing dbell rows while facing an incline bench.

Remember that this is a friendly board...a board of shared information. If you do not like the response you get...don't ask the question.

B True
 
Hoss,have you everlifted in the gym??? The you will know that the traps are vertical moversof the humerus scapula and even the cranium. Hence rolling will not improve the effect fo shrugs. Rolling will help your rhomboids to contract your scapulas and very minumally delts. On the rotator cuff deal basically the 'cuff' was meant to rotate your shoulder, byt locking the position they are in and forcing them in a non naturall alignmentn will fuck them up...

P.S. have some class on the board you asked a question, so get ready to hear all types of responses. You might not agree with them but give the other membes some respect, at least they botheredto help you out....
 
No need to argue...

B True
 
ya know what? just do them. I wont take any responsibility for your injuries, but do them for a couple of months and see if you can still raise your arms above your head.
 
Hoss, you do not need to get angry and rude to people who are giving you good advice and helping you.

The shrug advice I gave you is good-I have done sets of shrugs with 300+ pounds for 30+ reps in a set and dont act like a ingrate to me and the people here to help you.

I agree with with the others too. Do whatever you want-roll your shoulders like the Champ said and in a few months you will post a thread like ....Help my aching shoulders!!

Hoss- I DID ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN MY FIRST POST- I SAID THAT ROLLING WILL FUCK UP YOUR SHOULDERS.
 
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Hoss... Do I know you???? I find this thread amusing b/c I posted an original thread about rolling b/c I have a friend who refuses to believe me that rolling is bad for your rotatorcuffs... he insists that rolling is the way to go.

He also shrugs about 2/3's the weight I do... so maybe he doesn't feel the strain in the shoulders I start to get w/ more weight...

I love working traps, and have found that the advice I got in my thread, (bend foward a little to hit traps in the middle a little better) helped me out a lot...

The other reason I ask if I know you... is b/c my friend is also very angry... always... and I could see him starting a similar thread in rebuttle to mine, and having a similar reaction to others statements...

all I gotta say is, chill out & be patient bro... we're all on here to learn, it usually takes a while before enough people respond to your thread that you'll get a really good answer.
 
Plain and simple rolling will cause damage in your rotator cuffs. The trap muscle contains an up/down range of motion. I guess my question would be why would you do something that will not help you achieve your goals in any way, but possibly hurt you in the process? While your at it why don't you rotate your shoulders on bench press as well?
 
Hey, search works. Doesn't look like this subject has been touched on in the last 6 months or so; so other newbies mignt benefit from the why not to roll your sholders thread.

Was going to ask the same question, since I did see one site (didn't bookmark it) that actually had regular and rolling shrugs listed. I've only seen a few people roll their sholders during shrugs at the gym; one was in good shape, but worked out like a rabbit on speed with bad form on everything, so I wasn't about to follow his workout. The other guys just must not know better.
 
2ton,

Up and down. No science to it. Keep your shoulder blades together in a squeeze. Up and down. No roll. I don't give a shit who tells you. The movement is Up and down.

Dr. Lord layed out the science and I am laying out the realness. The rest of the fellas spelled it out as well.

Hammer
 
Crap, I did not know that. Glad I came across this post. While we are on the topic is it better to keep your chin down or just look straight ahead for better form?
 
i dont appreciate 2tons rudeness as much as anyone on this board and im not on his side for this. no one has given an answer yet maybe no one knows the scientific answer why this is bad, so just go with it and dont take any chances.
 
Rolling the shoulders will do nothing to enchance the effectiveness of this exercise. Here is why it is bad.

1. It is possible to pinch nerves in the upper back.

2. This motion puts the rotator cuffs in a precarius position.

3. Rolling does nothing to emphasize the traps.

If you shrug your traps towards the ears and hold for a 2 count, I guarantee that you will hit the traps effectively. I wish you luck in your training.
 
Lord_Suston said:
Hoss,have you everlifted in the gym??? The you will know that the traps are vertical moversof the humerus scapula and even the cranium. Hence rolling will not improve the effect fo shrugs. Rolling will help your rhomboids to contract your scapulas and very minumally delts. On the rotator cuff deal basically the 'cuff' was meant to rotate your shoulder, byt locking the position they are in and forcing them in a non naturall alignmentn will fuck them up...

P.S. have some class on the board you asked a question, so get ready to hear all types of responses. You might not agree with them but give the other membes some respect, at least they botheredto help you out....
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looks to me like the q was answered pretty well.
 
Swain got it right "1. It is possible to pinch nerves in the upper back.
I did this MANY years ago, I shrugged UP then at the top rolled my shoulders back then... ON THE WAY DOWN from that position. THE SHARPEST PAIN YOU`VE EVER FELT hit me in my upper back. The weight dropped to the floor and I`ve never been healthy since then.


But the answer to HOSS`S question- I don`t know Why they`re bad.
 
Hoss.... for the record, I think you were perfectly justified in getting a bit pissed off. You asked a very specific question and the first two answers would've been better left off.... I would've reacted the same way. Had b fold been an unpopular newbie, the rest of the forum wouldn't haven ganged up on you like that.

No disrespect to anyone else, but.... geez.
 
DanielBishop said:
Hoss.... for the record, I think you were perfectly justified in getting a bit pissed off. You asked a very specific question and the first two answers would've been better left off.... I would've reacted the same way. Had b fold been an unpopular newbie, the rest of the forum wouldn't haven ganged up on you like that.

No disrespect to anyone else, but.... geez.
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I disagree. I don't care if B-Fold is the man he is or a hoodlum without any sense to his words. I still would have posted. Sorry DB, not a direct hit on you. Just a note to let you know that I would still be here and write what I write despite the figure of another person coming into play.

Hammer
 
I must say I'm with Hoss on this ie. getting answers for the questions you ask. I see this way too much on the anabolic board and almost all the boards that I frequent (Except AF which is really good).

While Bfold is a great help here and also a great athlete THIS TIME his answer, while trying to be helpful, was not called for. I mean Hoss asked a very simple question and he got nonsense replies at first. Yes, maybe he himself reacted wrong and had an attitude but that is not the point here.
 
Everybody needs to COOOOOOOOOL OUT! Arguing over shrugs?

Anyway, here is a response I found on this subject from another board:

Re: are rolling Shrugs bad ? _
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by:Frederick C. Hatfield, Ph.D., MSS
International Sports Sciences Association
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Your trapezius muscles (called "traps") elevate and support your shoulder girdle (i.e., pull your shoulders toward your ears). Simply hold a bar in front of you and "shrug" your shoulders straight upwards. You don't have to rotate your shoulders -- just shrug. _
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An alternative method is to shrug with heavy dumbbells while either seated or standing. The straight bar must be held out in front of you, while seated dumbbell shrugs allow the arms to hang naturally at your sides. This makes dumbbell shrugs a bit more comfortable and definitely easier on your low back. Holding a heavy bar in front of you requires strong contraction of your erector spinae muscles.
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Normal shrugging technique (as explained above) activates the two upper portions of your trapezius (i.e., trapezius I and II). By leaning forward (about 20-30 degrees), and then shrugging straight up -- not toward your ears, but vertically toward the ceiling -- you will activate trapezius III and IV. You may wish to support your upper body against a padded surface (like a preacher curl bench) in order to alleviate unnecessary stress on your lower back while leaning forward.
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By the way, I fucked my left rotator cuff up real good by doing rolling shrugs 2 years ago- I still have a loss of strength in the shoulder. It seems to be getting better but I have found up and down works them a hell of allot better anyway. Rotator cuff injuries suck! It hurts doing incline bench and shoulder presses.
 
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