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RIAA, eat a dick!

Personally, I don't see why there's an issue. Technicaly, aren't you stealing when you dl the tracks?
 
breathinbleedout said:
In all seriousness you cannot compare USA to Netherlands!
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Ordering: one Clue, hold the mayo.
 
Poor fuckers, maybe if they would just stop selling overpriced albums the problem would be mostly solved ?
 
manny78 said:
Poor fuckers, maybe if they would just stop selling overpriced albums the problem would be mostly solved ?
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Yeah, that's it. Let's start stealing cars / clothes too. If they just stopped selling over priced shit, the problem would be solved?
 
2Thick said:


So you are saying that recording a song from the radio is the same as stealing a car?
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Recording a song from the radio isn't the same as downloading mp3s. MP3s sound about as good as a store bought CD while we all know a song taped of the radio just doesn't. Plus mp3 call be transfered to CDs or even cooler mp3 player and cassettes plain suck. And believe if I could download a new car that I could drive around in you better believe I would. :p
 
EnderJE said:

Yeah, that's it. Let's start stealing cars / clothes too. If they just stopped selling over priced shit, the problem would be solved?
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Your example is really poor... We're talking about making duplicates of a CD, not stealing the original CD at HMV or Virgin store.

The music industry took the decision to go from analog medias (Tapes/vinyls) to digital stuff. You can't get best of both world...
 
manny78 said:


Your example is really poor... We're talking about making duplicates of a CD, not stealing the original CD at HMV or Virgin store.

The music industry took the decision to go from analog medias (Tapes/vinyls) to digital stuff. You can't get best of both world...
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Granted, but you explaination is equally as shitty. Does going to digital media allow a person to buy one copy of a CD and make copies available to everyone on the 'Net? Does going to a better quality of music allow another person to download the copies simply because they don't like paying for it?

Does buying a single copy of software give that same person the right to post it online and allow everyone else to download it? We're not talking about stealing the original CD, we're talking about the copies.

Regardless of the music industry's decision, the question is: Is it right to take it?

Personally, I hope that they sue the crap of out everyone who uploads them in mass quantities. Fuck being nice about it. Sue 10 year olds for millions and millions of dollars for their actions. Sue the parents. Sue the 70 year old man whose grandkids came over and used his PC for awhile to DL music.

I'm thinking that if that happens, the negative backlash against the RIAA will be enough to get people to stop purchasing (and stealing) digital music for a little while.

When the money stops rolling, the RIAA / MTV and the whole music industry will have to re-invent themselves due to the backlash. I'm hoping that this causes prices to drop a little and copy-cat bands to die off and artists finally get appreciated for their originality and not because they sound like so and so.

It's just like baseball. Three more walkouts in the next few years and the "national" pasttime will be history.

While I'm dreaming, I'd like next week's Powerball's winning numbers and a pony too. :D
 
we rock ass, figure it out alright;

and fuck the music industry and their petty whining. the music would actually get better if there would be less money involved. fuck britney.
 
EnderJE said:

Granted, but you explaination is equally as shitty. Does going to digital media allow a person to buy one copy of a CD and make copies available to everyone on the 'Net? Does going to a better quality of music allow another person to download the copies simply because they don't like paying for it?

Does buying a single copy of software give that same person the right to post it online and allow everyone else to download it? We're not talking about stealing the original CD, we're talking about the copies.

Regardless of the music industry's decision, the question is: Is it right to take it?

Personally, I hope that they sue the crap of out everyone who uploads them in mass quantities. Fuck being nice about it. Sue 10 year olds for millions and millions of dollars for their actions. Sue the parents. Sue the 70 year old man whose grandkids came over and used his PC for awhile to DL music.

I'm thinking that if that happens, the negative backlash against the RIAA will be enough to get people to stop purchasing (and stealing) digital music for a little while.

When the money stops rolling, the RIAA / MTV and the whole music industry will have to re-invent themselves due to the backlash. I'm hoping that this causes prices to drop a little and copy-cat bands to die off and artists finally get appreciated for their originality and not because they sound like so and so.

It's just like baseball. Three more walkouts in the next few years and the "national" pasttime will be history.

While I'm dreaming, I'd like next week's Powerball's winning numbers and a pony too. :D
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It's the same as making photocopies of a book. Would you say it's wrong ? The RIAA is responsible for their own problems. Pushing shitty albums with one-two good songs is dumb. Until 6-7 years ago, they enjoyed a "monopoly" but it's over.

Personally, if I really like an album I'll buy it. I bought Norah Jones' album cause half was very good and the rest decent. Same for PC games. I'll download some on the net and if they're worth the price, I'll buy it.

And no, your dream wont become reality. Real P2P system are hard to defeat, add the proxy factor and you're done...
 
problem is though, you hear one or two good songs, you think the band/artist sounds good, you buy the album. then the album turns out to be horrible. i've had that happen to me before. then what do you do with it? you can take it to a second hand tape/cd store and sell it back for $5 (After paying $17+ for it), or you can try to find a friend to dump it off to. P2P programs have elminated the guesswork about "is this album good or not?" maybe that's why the record sales have dropped so much....people download 5 or 6 songs from an artist, find out that only 1 of their songs is worth listening to, then don't buy the album.

i find it kind of ironic that Metallica was one of the first bands to speak up against it, claiming Napster killed their album sales. in reality, METALLICA killed their OWN album sales by making every album since 1990 suck worse than the last one. but instead of realizing that their music is now horrible (i won't listen to anything of theirs released after And Justice For All, and even that album is on the edge of being bad), they blame others for their slipping album sales.

most things you don't buy unless you know it's going to work for you. you wouldn't buy a car w/out test driving it first. you don't buy clothes/shoes unless you know they're going to fit. P2P networks have pretty much eliminated buying an album that you know is going to be bad.

that's just my opinion as to why album sales have dropped though. people now know that certain artists are just horrible, so why buy their album after hearing one song on the radio that sounds good?

i've used the P2P networks, but only to download music that i already owned that was on tape. so seeing as i bought the album 10 years ago on tape and i've already supported the artist, why should i go ahead and buy it again, this time on CD? i've only found one record store that would buy back your tape at it's current retail price and use that money towards the price of the same album on CD, but they went out of business 5 years ago. sorry, but i don't have the money to go and buy 75 new CDs because i bought the music on tape 10 years ago. and i'm not putting a tape deck back into my car either. tapes don't sound good on a beefed up stereo.
 
When you take something and don't pay, you're stealing.

Though CD's are overpriced. It wouldn't hurt them to lower the price. I think they're probably charging too much. It seems like they'd make more by charging less because they could sell more.

I can't justify $17 + tax on a 45-60 min. CD. I don't need the CD to know the latest cool thing for whatever meme I ascribe to.

The crap that's pumped on the airwaves tells us what is "cool" and also feeds off various memes to appeal to these large groups. I generally avoid this because I see what it is: Crap.

Marketing at it's best.

Another interestingly stupid aspect of the RIAA's actions is they don't go after Russian bootleggers who sell CDs on eBay.
 
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But isn't it legal to record from say the radio?

Because as I've mentioned before, I record my mp3's thru streaming interent.

What about that?
 
manny78 said:


It's the same as making photocopies of a book. Would you say it's wrong ? The RIAA is responsible for their own problems. Pushing shitty albums with one-two good songs is dumb. Until 6-7 years ago, they enjoyed a "monopoly" but it's over.

Personally, if I really like an album I'll buy it. I bought Norah Jones' album cause half was very good and the rest decent. Same for PC games. I'll download some on the net and if they're worth the price, I'll buy it.

And no, your dream wont become reality. Real P2P system are hard to defeat, add the proxy factor and you're done...
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Photocopying would only be a good comparison if you were also to distribute the photocopies to each and every individual who ever wanted the book. Then, I would consider it the same. Otherwise, its not quite the same as the DLing the music.

Regarding the dream, you forget the inane ability for Amercians to sue each other...
 
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