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Repost:Expanding on Oxandrolone...

HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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Hey fellas,after yesterdays interest,I thought I'd pass along some more interesting info on this nifty little multi-purpose compound.The following is an excerpt taken from a column titled"Bodybuilding Pharmacology"in the May 2000 edition of Ironman magazine,ENJOY.ORAL STEROIDS:EFFECTS ON PROTEIN METABOLISM-While testosterone injections remain the cornerstone of androgen medical therapy,recent studies have focused on the effects of oral anabolics.A popular anabolic in that category is oxandrolone,formerly sold under the trade name Anavar but currently available as Oxandrin.A group of scientists recently gave injections of testosterone enanthate to healthy young men and found that the drug increased net protein synthesis(duh)and reuse of amino acids in muscle.The researchers decided to see if oxandrolone offered similar effects as an oral drug.They gave 15mgs of the drug for five days to healthy young men.They tested muscle protein synthesis and breakdown rates using sophisticated testing procedures and found that muscle protein synthesis rates increased by 44 percent after the subjects used oxandrolone,with zero affect on muscle protein breakdown.In other words,they found an anabolic effect(duh)Muscle protein synthesis increased while muscle protein breakdown didn't.The researchers also found an increase in muscle cell androgenic receptors promoted by oxandrolone.In edition,comparing the effects of testosterone in their previous study with oxandrolone in the newer study showed that oxandrolone exerts a greater anabolic effect on skeletal muscle than testosterone injections.(I'm assuming they're talking about a mg to mg basis here)Another signifigant finding was that oxandrolone prevented the exit of amino acids from muscle cells that normally occurs after an overnight fast.That would be a potent anti-catabolic effect of the drug:helping to maintain muscle cell content of amino acids.When amino acids leave the muscle,catabolic effects dominate.Using oxandrolone led led to a 65 percent increased rate of protein synthesis under fasting conditions.....Gentlemen/ladies,if you can get your hands on this marvelous compound,it should be a regular part of your stacking array,especially when inducing lypolisis for pre-contest preperations.Hope you guys enjoy this interesting little tidbit as much as I did.
 
Huck, another fine post as always!

Check out the post about creatine and glutamine! The guy is trying to tell us creatine and glutamine use " the same transports " and not to take them together. Your thoughts??
 
great post...just finished a 5 week 40mg ed cycle and i did not gain any strength however i do have 10lbs of solid mass to show for it and my waist measure didnt go up.....IM HAPPY!!!! gonna pick up a nice 8 month supply.......probably 12 month supply..........just in case there's a sudden shortage....hehehehe.......shhhhhhh!!!!
 
Like the post but loved the little comments...(duh)


muscle protein synthesis rates increased by 44 percent for the avanar
but it didn't say what percent the increase was for the test inject?


Still it sounds like an add this to your next cycle guys!

great reading
bass
 
Because of the typeing I would say you type it.....no scanner there. So you took your time to give us this usefull info.
We apreciate this brother!!!
 
getbig27 said:
great post...just finished a 5 week 40mg ed cycle and i did not gain any strength however i do have 10lbs of solid mass to show for it and my waist measure didnt go up.....IM HAPPY!!!! gonna pick up a nice 8 month supply.......probably 12 month supply..........just in case there's a sudden shortage....hehehehe.......shhhhhhh!!!!

No strength from Var ? What kind did you use ?
BTW...Awesome post Huck

M18
 
mustang_18--- they were a light colored orange, tiny and hard as hell. my old source said they were *p(chinaman). took half in the am and half pm. no strength gains what so ever. since im a bodybuilder i could care less if i can only bench 100lbs....as long as i got the the best body on stage (according to the judges)well i've done my job....so the 10lbs i gained left me very content.
 
mg per mg anavar is one of the most potent steroids I've used. I do think though that the anti-catabolic effect mentioned is something that all 17aa orals have in common though (maybe increase in IGF1 or something?). I am currently not on anything except for 10mg of d-bol when I wake up and it really is amazing how much an effect this small amount of drug has on muscle fullness, appetite and recovery. Any 17aa steroid is gonna show higher mg-per-mg potency because the actual half-life in the blood (when compared to say test or eq that has just been freed from the ester chain) is a bit longer since it can pass through the liver without being cleared. This means if equal amounts of enanthate and anavar were administered the amount of ACTIVE steroid in the blood will always be higher for anavar, making the mg-mg comparison pretty meaningless. If one set up the study to achieve the same blood concentrations of test and anavar, I am sure the results would be pretty equal.
 
Great post...Though, it didn't seem very anabolic. What it did do to me was made my muscles extremely firm. It felt like I was always flexing. My GF even noticed it and made comments while i was on cycle. She knew exactly when i got off cuz they got a little mushier.
 
The higher the dose(up to a point)the more dramatic the results.Ox is an excellent all around anabolic/performance enhancer,and it is likely the safest anabolic in existance...
 
Alll 17-aa steroids induce a massive inrease in GH and
IGF-1 which is WELL above what injectables can accomplish.

As far as toxicity, I'm not sure if oral turinabol is less/more
toxic than oxandrolone.

As another piece of info, the effect of oral 17-aa's on GH and
IGF-1. INCREASES over time.
What this means is that the GH and IGF-1 response
to Dball, anavar at week 4 is going to be significantly
less than at week 10.

I'm not a believer of Ox for mass. Dball is CHEAPER and
gives you BETTER results. However, for CUTTING
it is the best bar none.

Fonz
 
This study was with BTG b/c oxandrin is their pham name for oxandrolone. Problem is BTG is very difficult to find. I have tried every brand of var except BTG and will be trying soon to compare results. Good info Huck
 
If the effect on GH and IGF-1 increases over time, what if you increased dosage over time ? eg. start wk 1 with 20 mg ed increasing to 60 mg ed @ wk 10. Thoughts ?
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
The higher the dose(up to a point)the more dramatic the results.Ox is an excellent all around anabolic/performance enhancer,and it is likely the safest anabolic in existance...

Contrary to poular belief it doesn't give you lots of strength like most people think.

What happens is that since it's such a good anabolic, that if you take in enough protein and calories you grow quickly, and therefore poundages increase as well. Giving the illususion of increasing strength.

That perception gives off the fallacy that oxandrolone is such a good strength drug. Well, it isn't...no really. Indirectly...yes. Directly...no.
Trenbolone and Halo for example, ARE strength drugs.
 
Fonz said:
Contrary to poular belief it doesn't give you lots of strength like most people think.

What happens is that since it's such a good anabolic, that if you take in enough protein and calories you grow quickly, and therefore poundages increase as well. Giving the illususion of increasing strength.

That perception gives off the fallacy that oxandrolone is such a good strength drug. Well, it isn't...no really. Indirectly...yes. Directly...no.
Trenbolone and Halo for example, ARE strength drugs.

Very interesting...

Good replies to a good post. :supercool
 
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