So I decided to try this stuff anyhow. I have taken a form of tren for probably the last 8 years but always from a reliable source (not the internet). My source decided to stop so I was forced to try the net. I have never saw a red version but this stuff gave me a huge pump two days after pinning. I did not do much research before I purchased this stuff as it was a sponsor on a different board and it seems the maker has a lot of questionable remarks on numerous boards. I got this same pump to a lesser degree on day 4. My thoughts would be worse case scenario is that it's a low dose long acting test. Any thoughts would be appreciated. The maker is biogen and I have seen a ton of mixed reviews but it seems like it's always from a friend of a friend.