Really tough situation (potential new job)

[KillahBee]

Long story short - I found out about a job opening at a major sports property today. It is the type of job that I plan on seeking whenever I feel it is time (note: I am not currently seeking a new job. I was just promoted at my current job and I am doing very very well there). It is at a property that I have worked closely with the last two years. The actual job pays about 50% more than my current job and from what I know about the description - I would have no problem with it. I would also be working under a woman that just took a job there and used to work for my current company for years and that I have worked closely with (very small world we live in).

The catch - my manager, who I am VERY close with and who also worked with this woman and this property closely also knows about the opening and I am almost 100% sure he is going for it. He is basically me with 3-4 more years experience. He has a better relationship with this property too since he has been working with them for longer than I and has always been the point person with them. Herein lies the problem. I am going to talk to him about it tomorrow (we have that type of relationship) but I don't know if it would be worth it to go for it if he does too. A small part of me feels like I shouldn't out of respect, although he definitely would have no problem with me going after it. It's also pretty clear that he has a distinct advantage over me, which I have never said about anyone - ever. The other issue is that my current company (an agency) works with this property on several fronts and word may get back to them about the interview. Now, I have no problem telling my VP - "hey, I'd be a fool not to test the market", but I still worry a tiny bit about the ramifications of that.

Tough situation.

 

[rsnoble-im-back]

No, it's pretty cut and dry. More $ = go for it. Just don't be telling everyone at work and personally I wouldn't even tell your mgr. If he's applying for it then wtf. My only thought is would you get your mgr's position if he left and would you want it. My experience has always been fuck all these shithole assholes and go where the $ is because eventually there gonna screw you anyways.

 

[redguru]

Your VP probably has thirty recruiters talk to him a month. He isn't actively looking either but I'm sure he has his eyes open. As far as your manager and you vying for the same position, I wouldn't begrudge you trying in his position. In fact it may look better to him in the screening process.

 

[KillahBee]

No, it's pretty cut and dry. More $ = go for it. Just don't be telling everyone at work and personally I wouldn't even tell your mgr. If he's applying for it then wtf. My only thought is would you get your mgr's position if he left and would you want it. My experience has always been fuck all these shithole assholes and go where the $ is because eventually there gonna screw you anyways.

a) I am jaded in every part of my life but work. so I can't take the typical pissed off worker bee attitude like that. it's just not me. especially in my line of work.

b) not even a thought of me "telling everybody". I graduated 8th grade quite a while ago. and he has already told me he is going for it (more or less). trust me, this is not the typical work environment or relationship. we trust each other and have proven that time and time again.

c) I would not get his position because of how the "hierarchy" (or lack of) is in our company. it would be very bad for me if he left in many ways. the only positive I can think of is that I would probably have to take a larger role on a certain large event/project and that would give me a good springboard for more loot or another promotion

thanks for the input

 

[KillahBee]

In fact it may look better to him in the screening process.

How so? By comparison of our experience?

I figure the only way I could get the job over him is if I out-personality him. Which is tough cause he and I are almost identical in that department. But I think I can put up a good fight.

 

[redguru]

How so? By comparison of our experience?

I figure the only way I could get the job over him is if I out-personality him. Which is tough cause he and I are almost identical in that department. But I think I can put up a good fight.

Yes, his experience is what I was referring to. Personality may be what wins the job for you. Even if it doesn't, it is always good to practice the interview process.

 

[KillahBee]

Yes, his experience is what I was referring to. Personality may be what wins the job for you. Even if it doesn't, it is always good to practice the interview process.

Good insight.

And I love interviews. I used to take them just for the hell of it. Got into trouble once cause I was actually offered a job I had no interest in and seemed to be way over my head!

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

KB,

I stopped reading after I would also be working under a woman that because what kind of job requires you to work for women? What a horrible way to live your life.
But as you many have no choice, I re-read your post.


Apply for the job. There are a few reasons for this

(1) you might get it

(2) your manager might get it, realize you want to work there, and hire you.

(3) you only regret the things you DON'T try.

Good luck.

 

[KillahBee]

I work with about 15 women and 2 men (in my "department"). It is actually fantastic and fun, which is probably more of a testament to my company's culture. Not my cup of tea to look at it that way. Plus, I have worked under that woman before and it was great.

I agree with the rest. Appreciate the input

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I work with about 15 women and 2 men (in my "department"). It is actually fantastic and fun, which is probably more of a testament to my company's culture. Not my cup of tea to look at it that way. Plus, I have worked under that woman before and it was great.

I agree with the rest. Appreciate the input

I'm just breaking your balls bor, but take my advice. I have 120 employees in the US, 25 in India, a few in London, and I'm in China today growing the Empire. yay me.

I don't like working for women. But I did hire one as COO.

 

[KillahBee]

I'm just breaking your balls bor, but take my advice. I have 120 employees in the US, 25 in India, a few in London, and I'm in China today growing the Empire. yay me.

I don't like working for women. But I did hire one as COO.

There are some very inept and downright stupid people that have thousands of employees (definitely not saying that is you, just pointing it out). But I always take your advice with high regard, trust me. And congrats on growing the empire - well done and I am sure you are not nearly though yet.

It's odd cause I always had the same view of working with women (in general) and have had a lot of experience with it. But right now I am surrounded by them and it's pretty damn fun. I also think it is a testament to my attitude and approach to work relationships, as I do not get close to any of them and it's nearly impossible to drag me into the drama no matter how much they try.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

There are some very inept and downright stupid people that have thousands of employees (definitely not saying that is you, just pointing it out). But I always take your advice with high regard, trust me. And congrats on growing the empire - well done and I am sure you are not nearly though yet.

It's odd cause I always had the same view of working with women (in general) and have had a lot of experience with it. But right now I am surrounded by them and it's pretty damn fun. I also think it is a testament to my attitude and approach to work relationships, as I do not get close to any of them and it's nearly impossible to drag me into the drama no matter how much they try.

I hope one day I have thousands of employees and people think I am stupid. I'll have their criticism forwarded to my G5.

But that's 2015.

You're probably a good team player and relationship builder. Those skills will serve you well. I'm not great at that stuff; I'm better off on my own. In my world, teamwork is a lot of people working together on doing what I say. If I was less of an asshole at work, I might be less financially successful, but I might also be happier. You've gotta find what works for you, and it seems like you have.

 

[KillahBee]

I hope one day I have thousands of employees and people think I am stupid. I'll have their criticism forwarded to my G5.

But that's 2015.

You're probably a good team player and relationship builder. Those skills will serve you well. I'm not great at that stuff; I'm better off on my own. In my world, teamwork is a lot of people working together on doing what I say. If I was less of an asshole at work, I might be less financially successful, but I might also be happier. You've gotta find what works for you, and it seems like you have.

Exactly. And I work in a very unique industry (sports sponsorship consulting / event management) where your success 100% relies on teamwork and overall employee attitude. Now that can be said for any industry, but this one chews up and spits out those that can't play nice. That being said, I am not at the direct report management level (although it will be coming soon with my recent promotion) and I have no doubt my outlook and actions will adapt based out of necessity. That is one thing I have told myself I need to work on - I don't want my personality to be viewed as a weakness by my subordinates. It's a fine line.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Exactly. And I work in a very unique industry (sports sponsorship consulting / event management) where your success 100% relies on teamwork and overall employee attitude. Now that can be said for any industry, but this one chews up and spits out those that can't play nice. That being said, I am not at the direct report management level (although it will be coming soon with my recent promotion) and I have no doubt my outlook and actions will adapt based out of necessity. That is one thing I have told myself I need to work on - I don't want my personality to be viewed as a weakness by my subordinates. It's a fine line.

It's not a fine line...you have to enforce a standard. You can do it without being an asshole, but you can't do it without causing some unpleasantness.

Those employees who are unwilling to conform to a standard you set are usually the ones who identify themselves for separation, voluntary or otherwise.

You'll do great.

 

[Lestat]

If it was me and the boss was a friend, I'd talk about it beforehand and probably NOT apply for it.

If he wanted it and was more qualified, i'd let him apply and then try to apply for his job when he left.

Also, if your current boss gets it, it could create future opportunities for you down the line.

 

[RottenWillow]

I stopped reading after I would also be working under a woman that because what kind of job requires you to work for women? What a horrible way to live your life.

This is not the forum for bs like this. Leave it in Chat.

 

[gotmilk]

If you want the job, apply for the job.

Plus, they will retain your application. If anything happens in the future where a position opens up, they will remember you.

 

[Vita]

i HAVE to recommend this book here. VERY worth read, especially for the price. it may re-state policies you live your life by already, but i find it a book to live by...

as for the original question, only you can really make that choice, but if it were me, i'd at least try.