Realgains needs some help!

[Realgains]

I would like to request a little support on a thread on another forum bro's.

There is an artcile on www.T-mag.com with advice that if followed will hurt some unsuspecting bro's. "Steroids for Health 2003"
WHERE THE HELL WAS BILL ROBERTS AND THE GANG ANYWAY....must have been napping.

The author says that the best way to come off a cycle, and allow for good HPTA recovery, is to use ANDROGEL or TEST ENANTHATE at 100mg/week. This he believes will allow for more gains kept and good HPTA recovery.

Well bro's most of you know that androgel is used to bring testoserone levels back to normal in men that have low test counts. Also test enenthate injections at 100mg/week will provide about 80 mg of pure testosterone for the body throughout the week, and this is about the normal average weekly output of test in men.

Sure one will keep more gains if this advice is followed BUT one will NEVER fully regain HPTA function when normal levels of testosterone are provided around the clock exogenously!!!

The hypothalamus will sence this normal androgen level, and the normal estrogen produced via aromatization, and will then NOT put out much, if any, LHRH and then the pituitary will not be stimulated to release LH and then testes will then NOT be able to produce testosterone....and the poor bro will remain inhibited!

Now MAYBE a half dose of adrogel taken in the am only for a WEEK would be a way to ease any androgen crash post cycle BUT this is just another way of TAPERING and all that does really is to delay HPTA recovery.

So post some support for old Realgains on the NEW T-mag steroid forum. www.T-mag.com
Be careful with your choice of words or they will not post your reply.

 

[Judo Tom]

bro you KNOW you are right..

it sux that some people just dont get it at time..

i would say that the best way to keep gains if you are WAY above your limit would be to use slin if you think you really need something extra...

we cant help them all bro

 

[Realgains]

HCG prior to coming off to get the nuts up to 100% size and then clomid post cycle is the best way to get HPTA in order........then a little Growth and slin can help maintain some......but around the clock testosterone with injections or jell....the guys a bloody idiot and he has the nerve to slam the author of the original "Steroids for Health"!


RG

 

[geardriven]

Realgains..

curious..

Have you ever done any blood testing, post cycle, to see how much HCG is needed to bring back a baseline of about 550ng/dL test.

If this question makes any sense...

 

[Realgains]

Realgains..

curious..

Have you ever done any blood testing, post cycle, to see how much HCG is needed to bring back a baseline of about 550ng/dL test.

If this question makes any sense...

HCG will REALLY raise test levels bro but this then becomes inhibitory on HPTA....its like being on 200plus mg of test per week...so its best to take HCG BEFORE a cycle ends in order to produce optimal testicular mass so the testes will be able to respond well to LH from the pituitary post cycle (with clomid therapy)

RG

 

[Realgains]

Well I have been banned from T-mag... nand for telling the truth.
Too bad the T-mag crew control the board over there because there are some good bro's over there....like Tren Freak, Swale, Rainbow, SpongeBob etc

RG

 

[Realgains]

You the same realgains from cuttingedge? If so, I was just reading your short cycle article. Great sh*t.

That'll be me bro...thanx for the pat on the back as I need a little lately

Hey Blade is on that thread too and he has a ton of experience with short cycles.

RG

 

[Qrios]

Well I have been banned from T-mag... nand for telling the truth.

That was a little low, banning you from the board because you does not agree.

How about take up the discussion here.

I don't know much about this, but it would be interesting too se what the more knowlegeble people here think.

 

[Finaplex Odeon]

Actually, I use a similar method to come off cycles and it works tremendously well for me. At 5'9 260...coming off is a real problem and HCG desn't cut it. The best thing to use would be anavar but that's so pricey and difficult to find

My Last cycle was 6-7 weeks in lenght:

150mg Of Test suspension ED - 4 weeks.
35mg of Dbol ED - 4 weeks
25mg of Anadrol (green giants) - 4 weeks
75mg ED of Tren - 4 weeks

Followed by a 200mg shot of enanthate (early week 5) and 20mg of dbol ED

Week 6: Prop 50mg E3D (phenylprop), 10mg Dbol ED

Week 7: HCG

Week 8: Clomid

I ran Femara: 2.5mg ED for the first 4 weeks, and then dropped it down to 1.25mg Ed

Gained 13 lbs. Kept 11lbs

Starting weight: 251lbs

Ending weight: 262lbs.

 

[40butpumpin]

I haven't seen you around in a while bro, good to see you. As far as t-mag goes it's definitely their loss my man.

 

[ROLGOR]

Staying on isn't coming off.
Realgains you think HCG just before coming off or every weekend during cycle is better?

 

[Realgains]

Staying on isn't coming off.
Realgains you think HCG just before coming off or every weekend during cycle is better?

I think the best way to take HCG is to take small amounts in the range of 3-500 iu's for at least the last two weeks of the cycle...better yet take it for two weeks mid cycle as well.

Every weekend during the cycle would probably work too.

I don't like big doses as that can desensitize the testes to natural LH if taken too frequently .

Some take 4-5 largish doses every few days with clomid therapy after a cycle but I think that will just inhibit HPTA as test production can really go through the roof with HCG.

If you take the larger doses be sure to have some nolva on hand as it can raise test so high that estrogen becomes and issue.

RG

 

[Realgains]

I haven't seen you around in a while bro, good to see you. As far as t-mag goes it's definitely their loss my man.

Oh I've been lurking bro...just taking it easy.

RG

 

[superchrgede]

RealGains always brings up the best points, This man knows what the heck he's talking about. Its T-MAG's loss bro. Good to see ya around
SuperchrgedE

 

[Darko]

The guy whp worte the article was Cy Wilson, personally I think all he tends to do is cite medical refferences. I asked a question about the article on their form, and all i got was some lame as answer, that didn't even answer my question. I find it hard to understand the point of using a long estered drug for 6 wks when it takes 4 to see some real gains from it, and then apparently be off for 6, when you have to wait 2-3 for it to clear your system. The article was not too great imo, the orgianl two were much better. T-mag does have good stuff, but you have to get past all the bs first to find it unfortunatly. Personally I think most if not all of John Berardi's stuff on deit is great, I have made great changes in my body due to some of his recommendations.

 

[liftsiron]

I think the best way to take HCG is to take small amounts in the range of 3-500 iu's for at least the last two weeks of the cycle...better yet take it for two weeks mid cycle as well.

Every weekend during the cycle would probably work too.

I don't like big doses as that can desensitize the testes to natural LH if taken too frequently .

Some take 4-5 largish doses every few days with clomid therapy after a cycle but I think that will just inhibit HPTA as test production can really go through the roof with HCG.

If you take the larger doses be sure to have some nolva on hand as it can raise test so high that estrogen becomes and issue.

RG

I have always perfferred hcg as my method of htpa recovery, I has gotten the best results from hcg by using it very similiar to the above quote from RG. I also get a boost by adding a week or two of hcg at low dose mid cycle as well (500 iu eod)