Read this volume lovers and learn something

[Arnold'sApprentice]

"The volume-training approach (for example, a program encompassing four exercises per body part and five sets per exercise) favored by most bodybuilders never made sense to me. When I was an amateur, I thought that the volume-training champs were more experienced and perhaps knew something I hadn't yet learned. Once I became a professional and began to mix with other pros, and then observed and talked to some of the champs who use volume training, I discovered that there's not a lot of rhyme or reason for the way they train. It's just accepted that 'excess leads to success' and time spent in the gym equates to quicker gains. Question the volume-training champs on why exactly they do the specific amount of work they do, ask them to justify it logically and physiologically, and they won't really be able to tell you."

Dorian Yates

 

[Debaser]

Yet most people seem to think that just because someone is big or strong they must know what they're talking about. Many of these guys succeed IN SPITE of their training, not BECAUSE of it. Incredible genetics and/or lots of gear make this possible.

 

[WalkingBeast]

Steroids.......Natural training is unknown to most pros

 

[Arnold'sApprentice]

Yet most people seem to think that just because someone is big or strong they must know what they're talking about. Many of these guys succeed IN SPITE of their training, not BECAUSE of it. Incredible genetics and/or lots of gear make this possible.

EXACTLY...they still get the one/two sets needed..they just do 3 more pointless sets per exercise. It's their genetics/gear that allow them to grow in spite of what they do.

As for:

'When I was an amateur, I thought that the volume-training champs were more experienced and perhaps knew something I hadn't yet learned.'


Maybe a few of you need to register this before ya rag on casualbb or debaser for not being experienced enough!

 

[WalkingBeast]

Yet most people seem to think that just because someone is big or strong they must know what they're talking about. Many of these guys succeed IN SPITE of their training, not BECAUSE of it. Incredible genetics and/or lots of gear make this possible.

I agree. Ive never had respect for the juiced up guys, who didnt hold out til thier natural potential or atleast close to it. Ive seen alot of lazy fucks blow up on gear. Thinking they are some kind of authority on lifting. I have no respect for that. Youve got Mr.O's on the opposite side of the spectrum using higher volume as well. These guys probabally wouldve grown regardless with all the gear they take. Still I dont believe one routine works for everyone, without juice anyway.

 

[casualbb]

Two words: diminishing returns.

For one single bout of exercise, will 10 sets make you grow more than 2? YES!

But like everything it's a balancing act. Can you do 10 sets and train again in 3 days? Probably not.

But if you can keep your frequency the same while increasing volume, you will grow more. The key is to find exactly how much you can handle without overtraining and continually skirt that border. Then gains come like holy jeez.

 

[Slyder190]

But if you can keep your frequency the same while increasing volume, you will grow more. The key is to find exactly how much you can handle without overtraining and continually skirt that border. Then gains come like holy jeez. [/B][/QUOTE]

Dude what?

 

[casualbb]

What, dude? Do the most volume you can without overtraining.

 

[rjl296]

But if you can keep your frequency the same while increasing volume, you will grow more. The key is to find exactly how much you can handle without overtraining and continually skirt that border. Then gains come like holy jeez.

Dude what? [/B][/QUOTE]

gotta find the happy medium

 

[b fold the truth]

Yet most people seem to think that just because someone is big or strong they must know what they're talking about. Many of these guys succeed IN SPITE of their training, not BECAUSE of it. Incredible genetics and/or lots of gear make this possible.

Glad to see you post and use the words like "most" and "many".

I have Dorian's book Blood and Guts...good book.

B True

 

[Tom Treutlein]

I agree with Casual. This is why no one routine fits the needs of others. One must find at what point he/she can efficiently recover from the previous workout session, then train again. Once you recover fully, there really is no reason to wait to train again. This, to me, makes the most sense.

 

[JKurz1]

Agreed - voulme = growth, if performed correcly........never got into this 1-2 set shit........kind of like blowing up a balloon..........

 

[needsize]

I have tons of experience with both ends of the spectrum, super high volume and low 1-2 set volume, and I have not made any noticeable gains from either extreme. All mine have come from being in the middle, like the routine I have posted now

 

[Lord_Suston]

Yet most people seem to think that just because someone is big or strong they must know what they're talking about. Many of these guys succeed IN SPITE of their training, not BECAUSE of it. Incredible genetics and/or lots of gear make this possible.

Please do not make a blanket post, don't deny these guy the respect they deserve by going to the gym and busting their ass. Their training could be better but but do not trash them, cause at this point and time they are at a level which you nor I are at...

if you want to debate their methods then go ahead, but to criticize them on one article is hard, I believe Dorian took some kind of anabolics and train 4x every 6 days, 3 excercises 2 work sets . so compared to DC he is high volume.

 

[FatRat]

Two words: diminishing returns.

For one single bout of exercise, will 10 sets make you grow more than 2? YES!

But like everything it's a balancing act. Can you do 10 sets and train again in 3 days? Probably not.

But if you can keep your frequency the same while increasing volume, you will grow more. The key is to find exactly how much you can handle without overtraining and continually skirt that border. Then gains come like holy jeez.

Agree 100%.

As for not listening to a big guys opinion, it’s the same as any advice, you have to take each case as you find it. Listen, and make your own judgment. What is wrong is for ANYONE to preach that their way is the only way, no matter what size or experience they have.

 

[muscledog95]

True...but who would you rather listen to? A guy who is huge and has been lifting for 10 yrs and throws up heavy weight, or someone thats only lifting for a couple yrs. Ill take the first one

 

[Debaser]

You don't have to make that judgement from knowing only those 2 facts. How about listening to what they have to say first, and then deciding who you'll listen to?

There's a guy in my gym that has been training for 10 years, and still thinks that dumbell bench presses are for definition and barbell is for mass. Similarly, there are a lot of guys out there that have spent a lot of time training and still don't know what the hell they're talking about.

 

[b fold the truth]

I'm GLAD that Dorian Yates isn't one of those BIG guys in the gym, OR someone who uses AAS in their training. We ALL know that the big guys, or the ones on AAS, know little to NOTHING about getting big or strong...



B True

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Two words: diminishing returns.

For one single bout of exercise, will 10 sets make you grow more than 2? YES!

But like everything it's a balancing act. Can you do 10 sets and train again in 3 days? Probably not.

But if you can keep your frequency the same while increasing volume, you will grow more. The key is to find exactly how much you can handle without overtraining and continually skirt that border. Then gains come like holy jeez.

Good post. I think that went over the heads of a couple bro's. None-the-less, its a very logical statement, and it makes sense.

 

[Debaser]

I'm GLAD that Dorian Yates isn't one of those BIG guys in the gym, OR someone who uses AAS in their training. We ALL know that the big guys, or the ones on AAS, know little to NOTHING about getting big or strong...



B True

Just because there are guys that know what they're talking about who are big and strong, doesn't mean that just because you're big and strong you must know what you're talking about. Squares are rectangles but rectangles are not squares.

DC is a case in point. ENORMOUS guy, really knows his shit. But I didn't judge that JUST BECAUSE HE IS BIG AND STRONG. I came to that conclusion for a few reasons:

1. He has average genetics at best, and has added 160 lbs of mostly muscle to his frame. His juice dosages were modest at best, lower than many of the guys I've seen here who are not even close to his bodyweight.

2. He has trained guys of all different ranges, genetically gifted to the trash heap, juiced to natural, guys with decades of experience and newbies, strongmen as well as bodybuilders. EVERY ONE MADE ASTOUNDING GAINS.

3. His principles just make sense. They aren't the same regurgitated garbage that is passed on and perpetuated by supplement companies (why would they want you to succeed?).

Now look at a guy like say, Flex Wheeler. He has superhuman genetics, including a proven mutated myostatin gene. Who knows what his list of drugs and dosages are, but it could very well be pretty damn high, given the company he's in. This is a guy who could grow by mowing lawns. He trains high volume and can easily get away with it for these reasons. Does this mean every person should listen to the opinion of someone who is genetically elite on tons of gear? Of course not. Being big and being knowledgeable are not mutually exclusive. You can be one, both, or neither. Being one does not necessarily lead to being the other.

 

[casualbb]

Being big and being knowledgeable are mutually exclusive.

You mean NOT mutually exclusive?

 

[Debaser]

You mean NOT mutually exclusive?

er...whoops

Edited. I always get that confused.

Lol I also said "mow by growing lawns."

 

[Sammy Sosa]

It's ironic that Arnolds Apprentice is preaching low volume. But I agree with Dorian 100%

 

[b fold the truth]

Debaser:

Everything that you posted above sounds pretty good to me. I would just like for you at one point to be able to look at my training and my genetics and say...'B True sure does know a thing or two, especially about training athletes.' Every time you post something I get the notion that you like to take a serious cut at MY training and MY beliefs as well as MY experiences in training both myself as well as athletes.

I do NOT have sucky genetics but mine are FAR from being considered GREAT for Strongman. I am one of the shortest and smallest Strongmen in the U.S. I believe that I can and will beat many of them someday because of my work ethic as well as my training methods. My success, as well as DC's, could very well be seen in the same light. Do you agree?

I, also, help lots of people who are not 'genetically superior' to make both size and strength gains. I do not use the DC Training methods yet we get good results. Do you also agree that there is more than one way to skin a cat...since I am getting great results with people who do not have GREAT genetics?

B True

 

[Debaser]

No I think you do know quite a bit about what works, we just disagree on a few a points. To me you are in the category of both knowledgeable AND big/strong. And I get that from reading what you post, and making judgements about it. I didn't come to think you were knowledgeable just because you are big. That's all I was saying bro. I agree there is more than one way to skin a cat, I just spend a lot of time seeing if I can find a better way.

 

[Arnold'sApprentice]

It's ironic that Arnolds Apprentice is preaching low volume. But I agree with Dorian 100%

it's an ironic ode to the m an who's encyclopedia overtrained me so badly


Side note: many halfass ways to skin a cat..only one way to do it properly

 

[Sebass67]

I disagree with your analogy...
I think it's more like this:

"There are many ways to skin many different types of cats"

 

[MattRecc]

when will this shit end. Lets just agree that people respond and train in different ways. What works for one doesnt work for everyone. Lets stop making pointless arguements. Learn your body and do what works for you, stop judging others

 

[Arnold'sApprentice]

If you train with proper intensity and stop coasting through workouts or resorting to roids there really is ONLY ONE WAY TO TRAIN!

End of story

 

[casualbb]

uh. oh.

 

[MattRecc]

not even getting involved fuck this drama

 

[MattRecc]

and for the record, ive never juiced...yet

 

[needsize]

Side note: many halfass ways to skin a cat..only one way to do it properly

you couldnt be any more wrong, and when you get more years of serious training in then hopefully you will realize that. there is no one single system or approach that is better than all the others, as EVERYONE responds differently to training.
By making that blanket statement, you are saying that anyone, including myself, and pretty much every pro boduybuilder or serious trainee out there, are only doing it half assed

 

[ohashi]

Needsize, that guy is Arnold's apprentice! I'm sure he knows what he's doing... or saying... out of his ass...

 

[needsize]

AA's post is the exact same kind of post that debaser used to post, that caused all the flame wars in this forum. Debaser hasnt done that in while, and sometimes i even agree with some of his posts now, but I guess there must always be someone starting trouble for the sake of starting it.
Its kind of like if when I was back in high school, if I had of gone to the gym where all the huge competive bodybuilders train, and told them all that they were doing it half assed. But if they only followed what I had READ, then they would really be able to grow

 

[Arnold'sApprentice]

you couldnt be any more wrong, and when you get more years of serious training in then hopefully you will realize that. there is no one single system or approach that is better than all the others, as EVERYONE responds differently to training.
By making that blanket statement, you are saying that anyone, including myself, and pretty much every pro boduybuilder or serious trainee out there, are only doing it half assed

I'm talking about NATURAL trainers not juicers. I don't know/care about what works for roidheads.That is the crux of my point NS.

I don't need more yrs serious training (i AM serious) or a needle in my ass to know i'm right.

no offence toward you despite your post being a lil patronising bro

 

[needsize]

I'm talking about NATURAL trainers not juicers. I don't know/care about what works for roidheads.That is the crux of my point NS.

I don't need more yrs serious training (i AM serious) or a needle in my ass to know i'm right.

no offence toward you despite your post being a lil patronising bro

my post was meant to be patronizing, just as yours is obviously meant to be insulting towards me with yet another comment on my use of steroids. That is always the call of the sad!

Did you miss it in my other post where I mentioned over ten years of natural training? But you have less than two, so that makes you an expert and I am only doing it halfassed? My analogy in the last post about being in high school but lecturing guys way bigger than me was very accurate. i had more than 2 years experience before I left highschool, so that would put your knowlege base somewhere around where mine was in grade 11.

This arguement is pointless though, you are obviously an expert by what you have read, and you are going to continually try to start flame wars. So go ahead, your experience and level of maturity is speaking for itself here

 

[Arnold'sApprentice]

Actually i don't try to start anything...you are the one making things hostile. Since when is trying to help lifters struggling to make gains in an industry run by drug cheats and genetic ubermen starting flame wars?

the truth lies with low volume/high intensity and all it's variations..it's a shame you and others have a major problem with that

 

[ohashi]

Post a pic, AA.

 

[needsize]

what I have a problem with is your attitude, telling the rest of us that because we are not training like you then we are doing it half assed. That kind of bullshit attitdude doesnt belong in this forum. There are lots of guys in here with incredible physiques, or pro cards in Bs case, but you never see them giving anyone attitude or telling them they are doing it wrong. but you, who has 2 years experience, and is still classed as a beginer, somehow knows so much about bodybuilding that it qualifies you to talk down to guys who have physiques you could never hope to match. What kind of bullshit is that?

Everyone has an opinion on what works, and since this is not an exact science, an opinion is exactly what it is. But you preach like your opinion is gospel, and that kind of attitude isnt welcome in this forum. Over the years many have come here like that, and EVERY single one of them has either grown up, or moved on as they werent wanted.

And frankly I am getting very sick of you constantly throwing insults my way about steroids, and insinuating that because I use, that I know nothing about natural training. Those are the comments that weak minded, pathetic individuals make when they have no other leg to stand on. I was pretty sure on the other thread it was established that I had accompished a whole lot as a natural trainer, but yet you continue with the juice comments. My 5x5 system, is designed for the natural trainer, has helped many people in this forum(and outside of it as well) achieve their goals. But yet since you read some stuff once, that gives you the right to trash me and all my experience

 

[needsize]

Post a pic, AA.

I already asked him that, he made an excuse and changed the subject

 

[Arnold'sApprentice]

pics are coming soon. not all of us are so self important or shallow that we have physique shots of ourselves hanging around on a computer

 

[ohashi]

That's the general way of going about these things, no? Weasel out of a pic, change the topic, start running your mouth again...

 

[Arnold'sApprentice]

so who here is into flame wars exactly?

 

[ohashi]

Pics, AA.

 

[needsize]

pics are coming soon. not all of us are so self important or shallow that we have physique shots of ourselves hanging around on a computer

so now I am self important and shallow, because in the 3 years that I've had this computer, I have a few pics saved on it(funny how I keep getting told by other members how I am the exact opposite). Okay, sure...you do realize that everytime you post verbal diarrhea like that, you show the board your level of intelligence and maturity.

I have spent years helping people on this board, taking time out of my day to help others avoid the mistakes I've made over the years, what have you done for the bodybuilding/training community to make you so self important? Frankly I dont care if you ever post a pic, all you are is a beginner that has read some stuff, so now you think you are an expert. And as soon as someone doesnt agree with you, you turn to childish insults, the same kind of insult I would expect to hear if I was still in highschool.
You arent in high school are you?

And so there is no confusion, you started the insults by saying that anyone who doesnt train like you is doing it half assed

 

[needsize]

Looking back at this thread, i cant believe I wasted the time to repond to AAs insults.
Bro, tell you what, how about you go back to insulting everyone who doesnt think the way you do, and I'll go back to sharing knowlege with other lifters

 

[lavi]

Bro, tell you what, how about you go back to insulting everyone who doesnt think the way you do, and I'll go back to sharing knowlege with other lifters

Aww, I was just about to suggest that!

 

[b fold the truth]

If you train with proper intensity and stop coasting through workouts or resorting to roids there really is ONLY ONE WAY TO TRAIN!

End of story

When you find it...lol...please let EVERYONE know...lol.

Dude...you HAVE to be a Troll. No serious poster could ever think up something like this.

I'd think that you were OMGWTFBBQ because of his hilarious posts on the Chat board...but I've met him in person before and he is one heck of a guy...

It just now hit me, seriously, that you are being sarcastic on ALL of your posts that you have made here...lol. You are one funny guy...lol.

B True

 

[WalkingBeast]

When you find it...lol...please let EVERYONE know...lol.

Dude...you HAVE to be a Troll. No serious poster could ever think up something like this.

I'd think that you were OMGWTFBBQ because of his hilarious posts on the Chat board...but I've met him in person before and he is one heck of a guy...

It just now hit me, seriously, that you are being sarcastic on ALL of your posts that you have made here...lol. You are one funny guy...lol.

B True

Yea, I mean the guy claims a 48 inch chest and 15 inch arms with a 230lb bench...Thats got to be a joke....

 

[Sammy Sosa]

AA, you should quit talking. I bet you thought you knew the bodybuilding truth when you read Arnold's encyclopedia. Hey, I did too. Now I'm an advocate of DC training. Things change as you gain experience.
I'm not even going to comment on your steroid remark.

 

[b fold the truth]

Yea, I mean the guy claims a 48 inch chest and 15 inch arms with a 230lb bench...Thats got to be a joke....

I just feel like an idiot. I had no idea that he was joking when he was making all of these posts.

Troll's are people who come on a board just to be funny and post off the wall things. They don't want to be taken seriously...they are just having fun and posting bogus things for the FUN of it...lol.

B True

 

[overhead]

I'm talking about NATURAL trainers not juicers. I don't know/care about what works for roidheads.That is the crux of my point NS.

I don't need more yrs serious training (i AM serious) or a needle in my ass to know i'm right.

no offence toward you despite your post being a lil patronising bro

I think maybe you had better look into how steriods actually work. Do you think that if you train half-ass and eat half-ass but take steriods you will still grow? If that were true all these idiot know nothings in there cut off bum sweat shirts would be in olympia. Do steriods allow for more growth? Of course. Will they make up for some mistakes? Sometimes. Do they allow for more volume and quicker recovery? Yes. I think calling people roid heads and discounting what they say because they may have used steriods is just silly. You quote Dorian Yates, then say you do not care what roid heads say? ???
You also seem to post alot about genetics so I assume you would agree some people will grow larger than others with the same training. So, is it not also likely that some will recover from their workouts quicker? If they recover from there workouts quicker would that allow for them to use a higher volume program? Would these same people not be cutting themselves short by not introcucing more volume into their training? I am not a body builder so I could really careless how big I get as long as I get stronger, but it my case the two seem to go hand in hand. Have you found that all of your muscle respond to the same training load in the same way? Personally, my experience has shown me that my biceps, calves and traps respond better to more volume, while other muscles seem to do better with low volume. I assume most people with experience have found the same thing. If that is true for one person, how in the world can one say that one program will work for everyone all the time?

 

[overhead]

I just feel like an idiot. I had no idea that he was joking when he was making all of these posts.

Troll's are people who come on a board just to be funny and post off the wall things. They don't want to be taken seriously...they are just having fun and posting bogus things for the FUN of it...lol.

B True

After reading these posts again, I think you are right. Must be a troll.

 

[WalkingBeast]

I just feel like an idiot. I had no idea that he was joking when he was making all of these posts.

Troll's are people who come on a board just to be funny and post off the wall things. They don't want to be taken seriously...they are just having fun and posting bogus things for the FUN of it...lol.

B True

This sheds a COMPLETE new light on things...Whoa dudes I feel enlightened now!! He is one funny dude... Gnarly...

 

[Mike_Rojas]

I guess he got his "kicks", but now he's exposed. Members, don't waste time getting upset at AA.

 

[SlavikHavik]

i thought everyone caught on when he said
"debaser knows more than anyone on this board"

 

[Buddy_Christ]

pics are coming soon. not all of us are so self important or shallow that we have physique shots of ourselves hanging around on a computer

wow! i guess i'm extremely shallow then. in the past few months i've been lifting, i've been taking a pic once a month so i can see how i've been changing over time (and it's already showing). dunno if i'd post any of them though, because i've got so many tattoos, even if i block out my face, i've destroyed any sort of anonymity that i may have.

but seriously.....

i agree with the troll comments. that's exactly what it sounds like.

 

[Arnold'sApprentice]

Yea, I mean the guy claims a 48 inch chest and 15 inch arms with a 230lb bench...Thats got to be a joke....

No I don't have a 48 inch chest...I never said that,I have a fifty inch chest/lat. My arms are 15.5 inches as I explained to you before an d yes,my bench is 230.

 

[Arnold'sApprentice]

When you find it...lol...please let EVERYONE know...lol.

Dude...you HAVE to be a Troll. No serious poster could ever think up something like this.

I'd think that you were OMGWTFBBQ because of his hilarious posts on the Chat board...but I've met him in person before and he is one heck of a guy...

It just now hit me, seriously, that you are being sarcastic on ALL of your posts that you have made here...lol. You are one funny guy...lol.

B True

Think what you like..clearly anyone with a radical,and correct training philosophy is a troll huh. Stuart McRobert,DC,Dorian Yates better stay away..those damn troll

All i have tried to do is help change peoples dogmatism

 

[b fold the truth]

BEST TROLL EVER!!!!!!

I love it...

Could SSAlexSS really be back???

B True

 

[Tweakle]

I thought he was trolling at first but then I spent some quality time on the cyberpump forum which reminded me that he's not a unique snowflake, there are many many other people with the same opinions who aren't afraid to speak them

I was just as bad when I first 'saw the light' of HIT. funny how your opinions change the more you learn. 80's volume training is of course nonsense but there are so many productive routines out there its a shame to limit your training to just one style.

 

[WalkingBeast]

Think what you like..clearly anyone with a radical,and correct training philosophy is a troll huh. Stuart McRobert,DC,Dorian Yates better stay away..those damn troll

All i have tried to do is help change peoples dogmatism

This guy's hilarious!! This just made my morning! ThanX brother!!
Flame me please? Just for kicks!! C'mon!! Claps for me! -Beast

 

[FatRat]

Think what you like..clearly anyone with a radical,and correct training philosophy is a troll huh. Stuart McRobert,DC,Dorian Yates better stay away..those damn troll

All i have tried to do is help change peoples dogmatism

AA – The reason that you are getting flamed is not because of your support for Stuart McRobert, DC or Dorian Yates.

- I have read Stuart McRobert’s books and like a lot of what he says.
- I am in the fortunate position to have connections with Dorian and the team behind him who also train many others and to try to discount their knowledge or success for one second is farcical.
- I have used the DC training style and found that it works well.

The reason that you are getting a hard time is that you are presenting information from these sources and claiming it is the only way. As I have said above, I support your views, but I would NEVER say that other methods cannot be effective, in fact with over 11 years of training experience I can guarantee that that is not the case!

Most types of training work, the degree to which they work is another question, and it is effected by such a large number of other variables that you cannot back blanket statements. You are telling people that Debaser “knows it all” (something I’m sure he would disagree with), and arguing against people with decades of experience with things that have been read in a book or found on the Internet.

I agree with the concept of your posts, it is just that the world is not as black and white as you make out.

 

[casualbb]

Just... don't... anyone... post. There's an easy way to kill the thread.

 

[MattRecc]

Just... don't... anyone... post. There's an easy way to kill the thread.

agreed. no one post on AA's threads its a waste

 

[Arnold's Apprentice's Bro]

hey, leave my brother alone. he knows what he's talking about. he's been doing a lot of reading on the internet and out of magizines for the past week and he is really an expert on all of this. when he hits puberty he's gonna really explode, just you watch. he's gonna be the next Dorian Yates, gaurenteed!

i don't know why you are all bashing him so hard. give the guy some slack. i mean, just because he knows more than all of you combined doesn't mean you have to be jealous and put him down. you should all learn from him and we can ALL get bigger faster!

 

[sorerotators]

Two words: diminishing returns.

For one single bout of exercise, will 10 sets make you grow more than 2? YES!

But like everything it's a balancing act. Can you do 10 sets and train again in 3 days? Probably not.

But if you can keep your frequency the same while increasing volume, you will grow more. The key is to find exactly how much you can handle without overtraining and continually skirt that border. Then gains come like holy jeez.

good post!

 

[Arnold's Apprentice's Bro]

This guy's hilarious!! This just made my morning! ThanX brother!!
Flame me please? Just for kicks!! C'mon!! Claps for me! -Beast

whoa, wait a second big fella! my brother isn't into that flaming stuff and neither am i. i think you got the wrong idea. just because we wear pink underwear doesn't mean we're gay, ok?!

you must live in the florida keys "brother." i remember our dad telling us once that there's no straight guys (cept some tourists) down there.

 

[WalkingBeast]

whoa, wait a second big fella! my brother isn't into that flaming stuff and neither am i. i think you got the wrong idea. just because we wear pink underwear doesn't mean we're gay, ok?!

you must live in the florida keys "brother." i remember our dad telling us once that there's no straight guys (cept some tourists) down there.

Shit...man..What can I say? You got me! Let me just say, this has been another incredible performance! Claps for the both of you!!!

 

[Arnold's Apprentice's Bro]

and i thought i conveyed that message in a serious manner.......

 

[casualbb]

agreed. no one post on AA's threads its a waste

whoa there, I never said that. I just this that THIS PARTICULAR THREAD has outlived its usefulness.

 

[Toozee]

I just wish a few members would use a method of presenting concepts and information, that didn't equate to taking your finger and poking someone in the chest with every word. I'm sure their concepts and conclusions would be more readily listened to with and unbiased ear if this were the case.

-2z-

 

[Toozee]

I just feel like an idiot. I had no idea that he was joking when he was making all of these posts.

Troll's are people who come on a board just to be funny and post off the wall things. They don't want to be taken seriously...they are just having fun and posting bogus things for the FUN of it...lol.

B True

Ah..... a "button pusher". How cute. I understand the reason for the scripted refuse now.

 

[Debaser's_Sweetboy]

Dorian has always believed in the low volume approach.

Correct me if I am wrong, but he warms up until he performs one set to failure. Seems like it has worked well for him.

 

[WalkingBeast]

Dorian has always believed in the low volume approach.

Correct me if I am wrong, but he warms up until he performs one set to failure. Seems like it has worked well for him.

Elite Fitness is getting better each day!!! WTF!!! Im in awe! This is great. You just wait til I tell Fuckles the clown about this! Hes gonna love this!

George Spellwin, you were right! Elite Fitness is the most controversial site on the web!!!!!!!!