Racial Profiling... Good One!!

[dballer]

To ensure we Americans never offend anyone - particularly fanatics
intent on killing us - airport screeners will not be allowed to profile
people. They will continue random searches of 80-year-old women, little
kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents
who are members of the President's security detail and 85-year old
Congressmen with metal hips. Let's pause a moment and take the
following test.

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a) Norwegians from Ballard;
(b) Elvis;
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women; or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a) A pizza delivery boy;
(b) Crazed feminists complaining that being able to throw a
grenade beyond its own burst radius was an unfair and sexist
requirement in basic training;
(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day; or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
(a) Luca Brazzi, for not being given a part in "Godfather 2;"
(b) The Tooth Fairy;
(c) Butch and Sundance who had a few sticks of dynamite left over
from the train mission, or,
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a) Mr. Rogers;
(b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems;

(c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain:
"Mustapha the Merciless;" or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed by:
(a) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd.
(b) The Supreme Court of Florida trying to outdo their attempted
hijacking of the 2000 Presidential election;
(c) Mr. Bean,
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

Hmmm ............. nope, ain't no patterns here to be seen???

 

[polarpixie]

db...this will be a really thought provoking read and I'll read it in a second, but for now, how about you not offend me, and clean out your PM box??? Thanks!!!!!!!!

 

[dballer]

READ IT NOW!!!!

cleaned!!!

 

[RyanH]

To ensure we Americans never offend anyone - particularly fanatics
intent on killing us - airport screeners will not be allowed to profile
people. They will continue random searches of 80-year-old women, little
kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents
who are members of the President's security detail and 85-year old
Congressmen with metal hips. Let's pause a moment and take the
following test.

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a) Norwegians from Ballard;
(b) Elvis;
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women; or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a) A pizza delivery boy;
(b) Crazed feminists complaining that being able to throw a
grenade beyond its own burst radius was an unfair and sexist
requirement in basic training;
(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day; or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
(a) Luca Brazzi, for not being given a part in "Godfather 2;"
(b) The Tooth Fairy;
(c) Butch and Sundance who had a few sticks of dynamite left over
from the train mission, or,
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a) Mr. Rogers;
(b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems;

(c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain:
"Mustapha the Merciless;" or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed by:
(a) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd.
(b) The Supreme Court of Florida trying to outdo their attempted
hijacking of the 2000 Presidential election;
(c) Mr. Bean,
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

Hmmm ............. nope, ain't no patterns here to be seen???

So what are you suggesting? that we only single out young muslims at airports? Not only would that be unconstitutional, it would be humiliating and would foster more ill feelings towards Muslim-Americans.

Hitler also enjoyed singling out particular groups, America is beyond that, or at least it should be.

 

[dballer]

Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

So what are you suggesting? that we only single out young muslims at airports? Not only would that be unconstitutional, it would be humiliating and would foster more ill feelings towards Muslim-Americans.

Hitler also enjoyed singling out particular groups, America is beyond that, or at least it should be.

Can you help me find out who else hijacks airplanes so I can add them to the list??

Please describe a racial profiling for another airplane hijacker.. I will add them.... better yet... I will NEVER bring up.. or comment on this topic ever again. Just give me some (3) examples of another group of people who hijack airplanes.

are you up to the challenge??

 

[WODIN]

I think dballer is right here.

 

[Lumberg]

Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

So what are you suggesting? that we only single out young muslims at airports? Not only would that be unconstitutional, it would be humiliating and would foster more ill feelings towards Muslim-Americans.

I don't think it would foster anything worse than what already exists, and, sorry, but if the choices are

1)Use racial profiling and make this country a safer place

or

2)Don't use racial profiling because it will hurt feelings thus making the country a more life-threatening place,

I will choose 1) EVERY time.

JC

 

[Lord_Suston]

Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

So what are you suggesting? that we only single out young muslims at airports? Not only would that be unconstitutional, it would be humiliating and would foster more ill feelings towards Muslim-Americans.

Hitler also enjoyed singling out particular groups, America is beyond that, or at least it should be.

No some the old ones might try some shit too.... Unconstitutional to search people, hmmm I would rather they search them than me get my fucking guts exploded by a grenade. This is searching, not killing, so the comparison to Hitler doesn't work. Generally I would prefer if they search Muslim Americans, even a few Muslim friends I have say this should be done. If you want the right to fly on a plane then you naturally give up a few of your own rights. Example, when you go into public you forfeit the right to bear arms (unless you have a permit), also you give up the right of searching in some public places, yes being patted down at a stadium or club comes to mind.... They want to fly then they needed to be searched, fucking search me as long as it makes other safe go right the fuck ahead.

 

[polarpixie]

I think this 'random search' process is almost completely ridiculous and a waste of time for airline/airport workers and passengers. It is obviously an effort to be politcally correct and to avoid fostering ill-feelings amongst particular ethnic groups. Well, screw that!!! I want the damn airlines to be efficient, focus their efforts, and nab the bad guys. Not dilly-dally and pulling little 5'2 me out of the line and making me feel like a criminal because I am carrying a bottle of water that could potentially be gasoline, so who knows what other secret weapons I am harboring, in their half-assed effort to be polite and PC and pretend they are doing a good job for god's sake. I don't think they need to worry too much about fostering ill-feelings in the Muslim community because most of them already harbor it.

 

[KEL]

I think dballer is on to something

 

[Lao Tzu]

Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

So what are you suggesting? that we only single out young muslims at airports? Not only would that be unconstitutional, it would be humiliating and would foster more ill feelings towards Muslim-Americans.

Hitler also enjoyed singling out particular groups, America is beyond that, or at least it should be.

The point is that only arabian men ages 17-40 commit these crimes. Just like only men with penises commit rape, or only homeless people commit vagrancy, etc.

We wouldn't be singling them out, we'd be applying intelligent screening methods based on statistical analysis.

And Dballer left out Richard Reid, the muslim man between age 17-40 who tried to blow his shoes up.

Usually you seem pretty humane & intelligent ryan. Taking the side of the despised underdog at great expense to yourself, but i don't see what is so wrong with this. This is just logic. Old women with sewing needles don't hijack planes, mid eastern men do.

 

[Lumberg]

polarpixie--you are so right. My mom is about 63, looks like a grandma, and always complains about being singled out for the "random" screenings. She's just like, stop with the bullshit, search the scary looking people and maybe a couple of the normal looking ones, and be done with it. Little old white grandmas do not carry bombs, knives, etc.

JC

 

[dballer]

Re: Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

Usually you seem pretty humane & intelligent ryan. Taking the side of the despised underdog at great expense to yourself, but i don't see what is so wrong with this. This is just logic. Old women with sewing needles don't hijack planes, mid eastern men do.

This comes as a suprise to you??

You guys know that Ryan may be a Nazi Skinhead just fucking with all of us.

 

[RyanH]

Instead of chasing down Muslims in airports and behaving not only unconstitutionally and "Hitleresque" why not get at the real problem----our dependence on foreign oil, our relentless support of Israel, and rampant poverty throughout the Middleeast region.

Those of you who have previously appeared to be strict constructionists of the United States Constitution are now contending that it will suffice to single out individuals simply because of his or her race-----something specifically forbidden by the Equal Protection Clause to the United States Constitution. If you are going to preach for strict constructionism to the Constitution at least be consistent!

Hypothetically, if the government were to single out Muslims at airports, you will still be left with other threats. You shut terrorists out of one avenue of terror, they will somehow, find other avenues. (whether biological, exploding tunnels, pesticides, etc). The way to solve terrorism is not through racial-profiling at airports, but through solving the ills addressed above----providing aid to poor nations, giving the Palestianians the occupied territories and finally looking to alternative sources of energy....

Ryan.

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

This comes as a suprise to you??

You guys know that Ryan may be a Nazi Skinhead just fucking with all of us.

I am part German, but I ain't a skinhead....LOL.

 

[EYEPEEE]

IN CHINA WE ALL ROOK THE SAME SO NOT HAVE TOO DO MUCH RACIAR PROFIRE.

 

[rudedawg]

Re: Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

If you want the right to fly on a plane then you naturally give up a few of your own rights. Example, when you go into public you forfeit the right to bear arms (unless you have a permit), also you give up the right of searching in some public places, yes being patted down at a stadium or club comes to mind.... They want to fly then they needed to be searched, fucking search me as long as it makes other safe go right the fuck ahead.

Example.......you give up a right to free speech, as has been brought up many, many times, if you log onto some boards that don't allow that.

If you are against being searched then you must be hiding something right?

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

I think this 'random search' process is almost completely ridiculous and a waste of time for airline/airport workers and passengers. It is obviously an effort to be politcally correct and to avoid fostering ill-feelings amongst particular ethnic groups. Well, screw that!!! I want the damn airlines to be efficient, focus their efforts, and nab the bad guys. Not dilly-dally and pulling little 5'2 me out of the line and making me feel like a criminal because I am carrying a bottle of water that could potentially be gasoline, so who knows what other secret weapons I am harboring, in their half-assed effort to be polite and PC and pretend they are doing a good job for god's sake. I don't think they need to worry too much about fostering ill-feelings in the Muslim community because most of them already harbor it.

Pixie.. you are completely correct, why should so many be held up by so few.. waste all the money, just not to offend a group.. comon Ryan.. everynoe does it.. Insurance companies charge diffferent rates for people different ages.. is that age discrimination? The govt wont let you legally drink till you are 21, is that discrimination.. no.. its all about RISK.. the intent is not to harm.. it's to protect.. if a few people feelings get hurt.. FUCK EM

 

[Lao Tzu]

Instead of chasing down Muslims in airports and behaving not only unconstitutionally and "Hitleresque" why not get at the real problem----our dependence on foreign oil, our relentless support of Israel, and rampant poverty throughout the Middleeast region.

Those of you who have previously appeared to be strict constructionists of the United States Constitution are now contending that it will suffice to single out individuals simply because of his or her race-----something specifically forbidden by the Equal Protection Clause to the United States Constitution. If you are going to preach for strict constructionism to the Constitution at least be consistent!

Hypothetically, if the government were to single out Muslims at airports, you will still be left with other threats. You shut terrorists out of one avenue of terror, they will somehow, find other avenues. (whether biological, exploding tunnels, pesticides, etc). The way to solve terrorism is not through racial-profiling at airports, but through solving the ills addressed above----providing aid to poor nations, giving the Palestianians the occupied territories and finally looking to alternative sources of energy....

Ryan.

true. That would probably do more to end terrorism than most of our current plans (be blind to US foreign policy and assume anyone who doesn't like us is insane & evil).

but when you said

"suffice to single out individuals simply because of his or her race"

you implied that race was the only factor. And it isn't. Race & sex are the factors, and they are factors because they are reliable litmus tests of 'who is likely to be a terrorist and who isn't'. Rapists aren't women so when the cops go looking for 'the michigan rapist' they won't trail women. They'll look for men.

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

Instead of chasing down Muslims in airports and behaving not only unconstitutionally and "Hitleresque" why not get at the real problem----our dependence on foreign oil, our relentless support of Israel, and rampant poverty throughout the Middleeast region.

Those of you who have previously appeared to be strict constructionists of the United States Constitution are now contending that it will suffice to single out individuals simply because of his or her race-----something specifically forbidden by the Equal Protection Clause to the United States Constitution. If you are going to preach for strict constructionism to the Constitution at least be consistent!

Hypothetically, if the government were to single out Muslims at airports, you will still be left with other threats. You shut terrorists out of one avenue of terror, they will somehow, find other avenues. (whether biological, exploding tunnels, pesticides, etc). The way to solve terrorism is not through racial-profiling at airports, but through solving the ills addressed above----providing aid to poor nations, giving the Palestianians the occupied territories and finally looking to alternative sources of energy....

Ryan.

You are so full of shit ryan... You say "looking to alternative sources of energy...." but you dont support letting us drill in the artic.. because of some fucking spotted owl bullshit... now I know you're a whacko.. how is that scientology shit coming along?

 

[Warik]

Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

So what are you suggesting? that we only single out young muslims at airports? Not only would that be unconstitutional, it would be humiliating and would foster more ill feelings towards Muslim-Americans.

Believe it or not, but I agree here. There are millions of Muslims (yes, Muslims, not "Muslim-Americans") in the world, yet a small fraction are involved in these terrorist activities.

Now, don't count your chickens before they hatch, Ryan, I am in no way completely discrediting what dballer said. He is correct about one important thing - why are high school drop-out airline security screeners performing "random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail and 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips" while letting turban-clad, long-bearded Arab men waltz through undisturbed?

The problem here is NOT that Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 are being racially profiled - the problem is that they are being IGNORED in order to avoid claims of racial profiling. We have airport "security" screeners searching old ladies and fondling attractive young women "by accident" while Osama bin Laden himself could probably walk through a security checkpoint wearing one of those plastic glasses/rubber nose & moustache disguises and no one would be the wiser.

My solution? Screeners should be able to search EVERYONE who walks through an airport security checkpoint; however, they should not be able to search anyone without probable cause.

What is probable cause?

* Person has a huge carry-on bag.
* Person wearing very baggy clothes that could conceal a weapon.
* Person sets off a metal detector.
* Person acting unusually (looking at screeners a lot... hands shaking... nervous, etc)
* Person with 3 ft beard walking around in typical Muslim attire chanting praises to Allah.

I believe in equality, but I heartily oppose stupidity.

-Warik

 

[the nature boy]

It's not a big deal to use profiling. If you have nothing to hide then there's no problem. Plus getting searched isn't humiliating, it's an inconvience, but it's not humiliating. And the middle eastern folks I know that fly don't really give a shit.

Racial profiling exists. Either at an official level or subconsious level.

 

[GLADIATOR351]

IMO, profiling is in order for this situation.


If a 5'5" white guy robbed a bank.... would you fill the line up room w/ 6'4" black guys? NO!!. You would look for guys fitting that profile. So, if 8 out of 10 times a plane has been hijacked or blown up by a muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40, why would you not try to single them out...

If I were someone that fit the "Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40", and I were searched it would be ok w/ me, I would also understand and hope they checked every other person that fit that profile. Why? Becayse it would be keeping me a little safer also....

 

[dballer]

IMO, profiling is in order for this situation.


If a 5'5" white guy robbed a bank.... would you fill the line up room w/ 6'4" black guys? NO!!. You would look for guys fitting that profile. So, if 8 out of 10 times a plane has been hijacked or blown up by a muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40, why would you not try to single them out...

If I were someone that fit the "Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40", and I were searched it would be ok w/ me, I would also understand and hope they checked every other person that fit that profile. Why? Becayse it would be keeping me a little safer also....

NOT ONLY DOES THIS MAKE SENSE!!!!! IT IS RACIST!!!!!!!

 

[polarpixie]

Re: Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

The problem here is NOT that Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 are being racially profiled - the problem is that they are being IGNORED in order to avoid claims of racial profiling. We have airport "security" screeners searching old ladies and fondling attractive young women "by accident" while Osama bin Laden himself could probably walk through a security checkpoint wearing one of those plastic glasses/rubber nose & moustache disguises and no one would be the wiser.

Exactly. What they are doing is wasting their time searching little old ladies in a cover up attempt to AVOID getting ACCUSED of using racial profiling and being prejudiced against certain groups of people. As I think someone else pointed out, the term Racial Profiling may be somewhat misleading. Hell no, they should not be pulling out each and every Muslim men between the ages of 17-40 aside! Racial profiling also includes gender profiling, psychological profiling, and other factors that should tip off airline workers as to whether or not someone should be watched and searched or not.


BTW, the police use racial profiling....controversial to a degree? Yes, because there will always be those people who will be tempted to abuse their power of authority, but racial profiling has done more good than bad, you just hear more stories about the bad cases where things went wrong.

 

[Mysterio]

I think it is useful, but if someone stops me in my car one more time or let all the white poeple pass by at events so they can search check me...........Now I'm really PISSED!!!!!!!

 

[GLADIATOR351]

NOT ONLY DOES THIS MAKE SENSE!!!!! IT IS RACIST!!!!!!!

I know it makes sense.. as for racist, I probably should not have sterotyped the white guy like that, as 5'5" is not avaerage height... lol hahahahaha

 

[dballer]

BINGDANG

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

* Person acting unusually (looking at screeners a lot... hands shaking... nervous, etc)

that would be half the population. Are you forgetting the daily stresses of our time? Thus, nervousness would not indicate probably cause, instead nervousness would only reflect an ordinary daily occurrence found to exist in many of us

Back to the drawing board, Warik....

Ryan.

 

[starfish]

Look at Oklahoma City... those same people could have easily targeted a plane.. 9-11 probably gave all kinds of extremists ideas. Just searching Muslims, naive

 

[big4life]

What does a Muslim look like?


All Middle Eastern men with beards are not Muslims, and all Muslims are not Middle Eastern.

These hijackers did not live the life of a true Muslim. They did everything not to be identified as Muslim.

 

[Warik]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

that would be half the population. Are you forgetting the daily stresses of our time? Thus, nervousness would not indicate probably cause, instead nervousness would only reflect an ordinary daily occurrence found to exist in many of us

Back to the drawing board, Warik....

Ryan.

So, my entire setup is invalidated because of one subcriteria of my list of criteria eh?

Duh.

-Warik

 

[VicTusDeuS]

I agree with Ryan that we should find an alternative source of fuel. The towel heads are raping us again at the pumps. Gas is up 20 cents in the last 2 weeks...

 

[KA-BAR]

I think dballer is right here.

I know he is right. I cannot understand why some people think the way they do. I think ryan H is the anti christ. peace.

 

[KA-BAR]

I agree with Ryan that we should find an alternative source of fuel. The towel heads are raping us again at the pumps. Gas is up 20 cents in the last 2 weeks...

I think we should just go blow up iraq and take all there oil.

 

[p0ink]

Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

So what are you suggesting? that we only single out young muslims at airports? Not only would that be unconstitutional, it would be humiliating and would foster more ill feelings towards Muslim-Americans.

Hitler also enjoyed singling out particular groups, America is beyond that, or at least it should be.

So this is wrong because it is unconstitutional, but yet you are in full support of campaign finance reform which is a DIRECT violation of the first amendmet...go figure Lets use some common sense here Ryan, I know it is hard, but bear with me. Do you see whites, mexicans, blacks, etc. blowing up airplanes in the name of allah? no, you see muslim extremists of middle eastern descent. so wouldnt it make sense to single them out? shit, after 9/11 even blacks were in favor of racial profiling for middle easterners.

One more thing, we are not detaining/starving/gassing/making lamp shades out of these people, we are only checking their luggage. Your liberal scare tactics really dont work here...

 

[p0ink]

oh yeah Ryan, your buddies in the congress and senate were right on the money by federalizing the airports and having the same god damn morons at the same jobs. guess what? independent tests show that 49% of guns/fake explosives/knives/etc. are still getting past security when the screeners are tested. But we made the right move by dumping more money into another failure of a government program. right?

 

[IanStuart]

Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

So what are you suggesting? that we only single out young muslims at airports?

YES!

it would be humiliating and would foster more ill feelings towards Muslim-Americans.

Who gives a fuck..........

Hitler also enjoyed singling out particular groups, America is beyond that, or at least it should be.

Why should America be beyond racsim? Racsim is the law of nature

What a moron.......

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

So, my entire setup is invalidated because of one subcriteria of my list of criteria eh?

Duh.

-Warik

Warik, most all of your "setup" can be challenged. I was only being nice by pointing out the fallacy in one of your guidelines.

Ryan.

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

So this is wrong because it is unconstitutional, but yet you are in full support of campaign finance reform which is a DIRECT violation of the first amendmet...go figure Lets use some common sense here Ryan, I know it is hard, but bear with me. Do you see whites, mexicans, blacks, etc. blowing up airplanes in the name of allah? no, you see muslim extremists of middle eastern descent. so wouldnt it make sense to single them out? shit, after 9/11 even blacks were in favor of racial profiling for middle easterners.

First, I'm not debating the historical facts of WHO tends to hijack airplanes, that's really not the issue. Instead, the constitution is the issue, and it prohibits the government from singling out someone on the basis of his or her race. As I've already mentioned, the solution is addressing the real problems---our dependence on oil, poverty, American support for Israel. Chasing down Muslims in airports will ultimately accomplish nothing except foster hate toward our Arab friends.

Second---campaign finance reform does not involve free speech. As the distinguished Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens has written..."money is not speech, it's property." Property does not receive the same protections that free speech does, the government has more leeway to regulate the latter.

Ryan.

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

What a moron.......

that's a pretty benign insult. At least some of your cohorts have been more original than that.

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

Ryan, what happened to you whilst you were just a young lad? I assume something tramatic happened to you that made you the insane liberal that you are? But dont worry dude, its not your fault, its societies fault bro.

How are the scientology classes coming along? you a level II yet?

 

[dballer]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Racial Profiling... Good One!!

First, I'm not debating the historical facts of WHO tends to hijack airplanes, that's really not the issue.

Ryan.

Can you PLEASE go back and read the first post in this thread... then look at this statement and decide if you would like to continue to leave it up on this thread. Because it is totally wrong.. and I know you do not like to be wrong.

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

Good one dballer.. I concur..

Ryan really needs to pay more attention what he responds to instead of spit balling liberal rehtoric all over the place like a bill clinton chatty kathy doll which can pull it's own string..

 

[dballer]

Good one dballer.. I concur..

Ryan really needs to pay more attention what he responds to instead of spit balling liberal rehtoric all over the place like a bill clinton chatty kathy doll which can pull it's own string..

Thank you.

I just really did not see anything in that last post.. I mean with the first point he brought total ignorance.

 

[danielson]

What does a Muslim look like?


All Middle Eastern men with beards are not Muslims, and all Muslims are not Middle Eastern.

great point along with ryans and nordstroms

what do you consider muslim? lots of israeli's may be considered muslim. one lost his life when mobs killed him becasue they thought he as muslim.....

so what qualifies as muslim? anyone with brown skin? there are hundreds iof thousands, even millions of brown christians, jews, hindu's and lord knows what else out there....are you gonna screen them too? what happens when ethnic minorities have their backgrounds checked and arent muslim? should their consitituional rights be impinged upon? do they have MORE constitutional rights than muslims? How do we identify a muslim, should they carry cards and wear a sign on their arm saying they are muslim?

what nationalilty was richard reid? british. what ethnicity - mixed race, part black part white i think. one of your own white citizens was fighting for the taliban. should we screen blacks too? you wanna even TRY and get that passed in america....most black americans couldnt give a shit about racial profiling as a recent poll showed, wanna see how that changes when they are at the brunt of it. What about whites? How many black muslims do you have in the US currently? how many are militant.....

terrorists arent that stupid. they will modify their recruitment to get past profiling. they wil use women, maybe even elderly women. is a 70 yr old women being subjected to screening any different based on her faith?

if someone was able to provide statistical evidence that racial screening MAY reduce fatalities significantly and cost effectivly then it may be worth considering. has anyone even done these analysis yet?

meanwhile as nordstrom pointed out US foreign policy is still being avoided, when israel is still an issue, pakistan (a dictatorship) is being supported and countries such as iran and north korea are being grouped with iraq.

 

[dballer]

What does a Muslim look like?


All Middle Eastern men with beards are not Muslims, and all Muslims are not Middle Eastern.

GOOD POINT!!

some Muslims are asian and some are black.

the ones who commit terror and hijack planes are semetic... they usually have beards and smell like rotting ground beef.

 

[big4life]

GOOD POINT!!

some Muslims are asian and some are black.

the ones who commit terror and hijack planes are semetic... they usually have beards and smell like rotting ground beef.

And some Muslims are WHITE!!


Most of those involved in the 9/11 hijackings didn't have beards.

What they smelt like, I wouldn't know. You appearantly have far more expertise in this area than me.

 

[dballer]

And some Muslims are WHITE!!


Most of those involved in the 9/11 hijackings didn't have beards.

What they smelt like, I wouldn't know. You appearantly have far more expertise in this area than me.

Yeah.. I used to live in a neighbor hood where they would all get together at night and walk around together. They also owned a store up the street.. so I get alot of my inside information from there.

YES!!! Some Muslims are white... but they too have beards and look like human toilet paper (John Walker)

 

[Natymike]

remember this--

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=64182&highlight=shame+on+the+African

its funny because they are such hypocrits, yet too stupid to realize it.