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Quility Vet Underdosed???

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THE BOUNCER

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I have been hearing alot lately about people having shitty results with QV products. I know there website has the lab results but who's to say they didn't just make that up? Now I have always trusted QV but it seems that people aren't getting great results. My question is to the people that have used QV products. What were your results like and what did you use?
 
I used QV EQ at 400mg EW
QV En at 400(about)mg EW

This was my first cycle and i thought the QV EQ didnt do much of anything at all and that the enanthate was not that great either. I went up maybe 10 pounds or so- strength didnt go up very dramatically. I'm not going to use QV products again.
 
Lift Chief said:
I used QV EQ at 400mg EW
QV En at 400(about)mg EW

This was my first cycle and i thought the QV EQ didnt do much of anything at all and that the enanthate was not that great either. I went up maybe 10 pounds or so- strength didnt go up very dramatically. I'm not going to use QV products again.
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it's funny you say that because I also felt nothing from there EQ.
 
BrickGirl said:
There are test results posted on this board by individuals showing higher than stated amounts.
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Please dear. Don't interupt these guys while they are in mid sales pitch.:p. Just playin' dudes. You go with your Spectro.
 
Zerxes said:


Please dear. Don't interupt these guys while they are in mid sales pitch.:p. Just playin' dudes. You go with your Spectro.
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don't know what you mean bro. im trying to decide if i should go with an all QV cycle. that's all.
 
my friend has been on a qV eq cycle. He is on his 9th week and is vary disappointed. He is running 800mg of QV EQ and his results have been vary week. His source has been getting a lot of complaints about there QV EQ.
 
I took QV deca (600/wk) and enanath (750/wk) and had good results. I had my test levels checked while I was on and they were 3347.
 
hey bouncer,
I liked the eq, I used it on my last two cycles and I had awesome vascularity and hunger was good. just put one vote for it. I used TT in the past and I liked that two.
 
2 of my friends did a QV EQ only cycle and had similarly disappointing results. I think the enanthate is alright i just wasnt running a high enough dose- I wouldn't use QV EQ though- especially cause it is not cheap.
--keep the opinions coming... i thought it was just me who was not impressed wiht QV.
 
Zerxes said:


Please dear. Don't interupt these guys while they are in mid sales pitch.:p. Just playin' dudes. You go with your Spectro.
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Yes, everyone on this thread who reported that bad results from QV has something to gain financially. :rolleyes:
 
my buddy just got a bottle of QV cyp. and a bottle of test 400 denkall...never heard of test 400 b4? what have you heard about there cyp.? cause i was gonna get 2 bottles. besides....i did mex. gear b4 and i blew up.
 
BigAndy69 said:


Yes, everyone on this thread who reported that bad results from QV has something to gain financially. :rolleyes:
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i hope your not refering to me bro, i don't know what the hell you are talking about. like i said before, i am trying to decide if i should try all QV products because i have used there EQ and got nothing. i have nothing to gain financially so don't run your mouth when you have no idea what you are saying.:mad:
 
THE BOUNCER said:
i hope your not refering to me bro, i don't know what the hell you are talking about. like i said before, i am trying to decide if i should try all QV products because i have used there EQ and got nothing. i have nothing to gain financially so don't run your mouth when you have no idea what you are saying.:mad:
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Hey Bouncer...read the post again bro...I was quoting Zerkes: "Don't interupt these guys while they are in mid sales pitch.. Just playin' dudes. You go with your Spectro."

He's insinuating that some of the people who posted that they had bad experiences have something to gain financially by putting QV down.

Which is bullshit...
 
funny how people use to rave about their EQ, and now it sucks after only two batches.

oh well same thing happened with TT twords the end, who knows in this game, but I have read a lot of "I love QV EQ" posts.
 
THE BOUNCER said:
i hope your not refering to me bro, i don't know what the hell you are talking about. like i said before, i am trying to decide if i should try all QV products because i have used there EQ and got nothing. i have nothing to gain financially so don't run your mouth when you have no idea what you are saying.:mad:
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dude chill, he was being sarcastic I believe, hence the smiley icon with rolled eyes at the end.
 
The EQ controversy was discussed on Anabolic Fitness not to long ago, and I was surprised to see that the overall consensus was that people were disappointed with BOTH QV and Tt Eq products. Moreso with the newer batches than the older ones.

I thought their Cypionate was "OKAY"...No better than Tornels Enanthate.

I LOVE their 100 mg Propionate...It kicks some ass! However, mine were acquired over the summer, so I don't know if this has changed since then.

I just acquired two 50ml bottles of their test Enanthate. I'm a week into it, so i'll keep everyone updated. However, i am also on prop and fina :)

I will be able to tell though because if I know the difference between 3 drugs, they are Propionate, enanthate, and D-bol...and I guess fina.

I'd like to here more "recent" experiences with their Test enanthates.

The women's board tested their 300mg Deca, and it tested over...something like 318mg's. However, I don't think it may be of optimal quality because nobody really seems to be happy with it. Maybe it has something to do with its stereoisomerization (correct me if i am wrong). As we know, the USA sells those shitty Anadrol tabs, and we know it is definately real. However, I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYONE GETTING ANYTHING FROM THESE!

BMJ
 
QV cyp A
QV ena A-
QV pro A
QV dec A
QV eq B+

I've used a lot of shit in my day QV is the first vet co. that either stacks up to or passes Denkel with product quality. I really don't know what the disapointed bros are expecting from eq. EQ takes the longest of the injectables to kick in, then the gains are slow but steady. In my opinion cycles of less than sixteen weeks are somewhat of a waste to include eq in. Of the dozen or so bros that I know that gave qv eq a shot all got good results, thay became very vascular and hard, none of them did the eq alone however. But their vascularity was definiatly attributed to the eq.
 
I don't think that EQ can put 20lbs on someone in 6 weeks. Like liftsiron said , his friends got vascular and hard. Thats what EQ does.
 
nuh_mizer said:
I don't think that EQ can put 20lbs on someone in 6 weeks. Like liftsiron said , his friends got vascular and hard. Thats what EQ does.
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Fair enough- but my friends and i didn't even gain much appreciable strength off of the EQ. Now there has to be something up with that.
 
I have been using Qv prop for the past 6 months and it is the real deal. I just started QV deca 2 weeks ago so I can't speak on it or the eq which I have never used.
 
I don't know why people expect a lot out of eq, no matter what it is. It just isn't that impressive and is generally a waste of time.

MR. BMJ said:
LOVE their 100 mg Propionate...It kicks some ass! However, mine were acquired over the summer, so I don't know if this has changed since then.

I just acquired two 50ml bottles of their test Enanthate. I'm a week into it, so i'll keep everyone updated. However, i am also on prop and fina :)
BMJ
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I agree on the prop, and mine was also acquired over the summer. It made me feel great and was painless. I too would like to try the enan, but until I read some more updates, I'll be glad to keep sticking myself eod with QV prop. Waiting for my guy to get some QV tren.
 
For the record, my "twin" will probably purchase the deca, along with a few of his friends to give it a try. However, I might check with Spatt's on the women's board to see what her final word is on it, as her twin also used it as well.

I ight agree with the Eq statement by liftsiron as well...it may take longer than expected to see "weight gain" (not vascularity) from it. I went through 4 bottles of Ttokkyo last may and June @ 600mg's per week, and for the money, i'd probably just kick down a few extra bucks and get some winny though.

BMJ
 
For the record, my "twin" will probably purchase the deca, along with a few of his friends to give it a try. However, I might check with Spatt's on the women's board to see what her final word is on it, as her twin also used it as well.

I might have to agree with the Eq statement by liftsiron as well...it may take longer than expected to see "weight gain" (not vascularity) from it. I went through 4 bottles of Ttokkyo last may and June @ 600mg's per week, and for the money, i'd probably just kick down a few extra bucks and get some winny though.

BMJ
 
Like nuh mizer said many people expect to much from EQ. It is not known as an incredible mass builder nor as a drug you can use for 6-8 weeks and see tremedous effects. This is for those who do not know what EQ should do for you-
Increase in red blood cell count which in turn creates vascularity and nice pumps while lifting. You will see slow steady gains in strength and weight but remember EQ has one of the slowest acting esters attached to it. This means you must run it 10-12 weeks to get the full benefits from it. In some people it will also increase appetite. Remeber it is not known as a strong anabolic if you want something that is more known to build mass use deca
 
i hit some qv a few months ago and was not impressed. i honestly thought i was just unresponsive to juice since i saw this thread.
 
I highly endorse QV prop.....very good stuff.....

and raider hit it on the head....EQ is a week AS.....it has its place...but never the less u won't see outstanding gains.
 
Re: With you on this BigAndy69

Nutrient-Nut said:


About 2 weeks ago, all we heard was how great QV Equipoise was and everyone wanted to get in on it, now this bullshit post comes out doubting the effectiveness of QV Equipoise...total bullshit! Spectro shit isn't even good enough for an animal, but QV products are fit for humans b/c of their high standards of quality. I would never use any of that underground Spectro shit from Canada.....not a single one of their products! To the Sales Staff of Spectro....sorry boys, you lost with your Equipoise!

NN:D
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The only person to mention spectro on this thread was B-legit:

"Bro,
I'm never using mexican again--Spectro all the way for me!!!!!!"

Now if you think he has something to gain from promoting spectro than you go ahead and attack him. But this guy has been around for a long time and many people respect him. Maybe he's just happy with Spectro...I don't know.

If the brand you sell gets bad reviews and you want to protect your weekly salary, you can use all kinds of excuse, Eq hunger is a myth, Eq is a weak steroid, whatever,,,but claiming that another company that IS NOT in direct competition is trying to start bullshit,,,well that's just wrong.

Whatever...why did I get involved in this thread?
 
I just picked up 2 bottles of QV enanthate and two bottles of the eq ... debating wheather or not to use it now ... Any advice ?
 
Everyone that I know have been happy with their enth,cyp,and deca. Starting some more enth tommorrow. I don't know anyone who used their eq.
 
the lot # and the expiration date on the eq is stamped on while the numbers on the enanthat are printed ... is this odd or am i just paranoid?
 
so far two batches of QV EQ have been produced, both tested out at 200mgs of eq.,

so....

right, this post is pointless
 
Njuice said:
the lot # and the expiration date on the eq is stamped on while the numbers on the enanthat are printed ... is this odd or am i just paranoid?
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i have lot QVE-004 of test e. and the lot # is printed in what looks to be the same process as the rest of the label... but it seems to be legit stuff to me...
 
Well if you read my threads on Anasci and AF, you will see the problems I have had with QV.

I was using Prop at 100mg daily. This was my first cycle since October of LAST YEAR. Been clean for over a year. So I was primed and fresh you know..... five weeks on @ 100mg daily...... ain't gained a god damn pound. All I have to show for it is fucking lumps all over my body. Lumps that take 6-7 days post injection to go away. Lumps that sit around and stick out like fucking gyno in my delts, glutes, and biceps. Took a quad shot and had to stay home from work the next day.

In the past, I have NEVER gone ove 400mg of test weekly. And always had GREAT gains. I was thinking at 700mg weekly, I would have MORE gains. However, after these past five weeks, I would happily settle for just SOME gains. Hell, 5 pounds is not too much to ask for after what I have been through.

Never again will I go with QV!!!!
 
Jae said:
Well if you read my threads on Anasci and AF, you will see the problems I have had with QV.

I was using Prop at 100mg daily. This was my first cycle since October of LAST YEAR. Been clean for over a year. So I was primed and fresh you know..... five weeks on @ 100mg daily...... ain't gained a god damn pound. All I have to show for it is fucking lumps all over my body. Lumps that take 6-7 days post injection to go away. Lumps that sit around and stick out like fucking gyno in my delts, glutes, and biceps. Took a quad shot and had to stay home from work the next day.

In the past, I have NEVER gone ove 400mg of test weekly. And always had GREAT gains. I was thinking at 700mg weekly, I would have MORE gains. However, after these past five weeks, I would happily settle for just SOME gains. Hell, 5 pounds is not too much to ask for after what I have been through.

Never again will I go with QV!!!!
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You must be sellling spectro or another brand of gear :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
HighIntensity said:
so far two batches of QV EQ have been produced, both tested out at 200mgs of eq.,

so....

right, this post is pointless
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Do you have a link to the test results handy. I believe you, but i'm curious.
 
Lift Chief said:



Do you have a link to the test results handy. I believe you, but i'm curious.
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They are on anascience, believe it tested out at 200mgs exactly

this sounds like TT all over, rumors saying their shit sucked and was dirty...

I have used TT and had nothing but good results
 
scruples said:


i have lot QVE-004 of test e. and the lot # is printed in what looks to be the same process as the rest of the label... but it seems to be legit stuff to me...
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Yeah i don't doubt the enanthat i doubt the eq cause the lot # and expiration date is stamped on when the other products have it printed on ... anyone know if that's normal or what?
 
BigAndy69 said:


You must be sellling spectro or another brand of gear :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Why would you say that? Are YOU selling QV and hate the bad comments? Scared of losing YOUR business? I am only speaking the truth. If you go back and do a search under my name here and on AF, you will see I asked quite a few times about going with QV prop since Viramones are hard to come by. After enough thumbs up I went with them. $30 for 10cc of 100mg is a great buy. But I will NEVER use them again. After being clean over a year, I actually EXPECT results. And I am getting NONE off this. I added tren last week and now 10 days later, I have added 2 reps on my bench. But after 5 weeks of using QV, I have not had shit as far as results.

700mg of test prop weekly and my weight has not changed? Give me a break. I am not selling any gear or giving a thumbs up to anyone. I am just stating the truth. I am going to be using Supra starting Monday and if I have problems with that, I will be here to tell you. I was one of the very first ones to start posting how I was not getting gains from IP two years ago. See how that turned out. When I starting posting on how I was getting ZERO response to MK's masteron, other people said the same thing as you.

I am not going to lie. Maybe I got a bad batch. Cause I sure as hell as VERY responsive to test at 400mg weekly.
 
Jae said:


Why would you say that? Are YOU selling QV and hate the bad comments? Scared of losing YOUR business? I am only speaking the truth. If you go back and do a search under my name here and on AF, you will see I asked quite a few times about going with QV prop since Viramones are hard to come by. After enough thumbs up I went with them. $30 for 10cc of 100mg is a great buy. But I will NEVER use them again. After being clean over a year, I actually EXPECT results. And I am getting NONE off this. I added tren last week and now 10 days later, I have added 2 reps on my bench. But after 5 weeks of using QV, I have not had shit as far as results.

700mg of test prop weekly and my weight has not changed? Give me a break. I am not selling any gear or giving a thumbs up to anyone. I am just stating the truth. I am going to be using Supra starting Monday and if I have problems with that, I will be here to tell you. I was one of the very first ones to start posting how I was not getting gains from IP two years ago. See how that turned out. When I starting posting on how I was getting ZERO response to MK's masteron, other people said the same thing as you.

I am not going to lie. Maybe I got a bad batch. Cause I sure as hell as VERY responsive to test at 400mg weekly.
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Sorry bro, you've got it all wrong, I was been sarcastic, if you read the entire thread over again you would know what I'm talking about.

I beleive you and I know you're a good guy.
 
This has to be one of the most confusing threads i've ever read. Am I the only one that understood what BigAndy69 was saying???
 
I understand exactly what he's saying, but that's beside the point. I haven't seen 1 decent post that everyone agrees on the same product. This is just another one of those. It works for some and not for the others, that's it. You can prove shit unless you get a whole bunch of different batches and get them tested, other then that you are assed out...got to take a chance. That's what you get when you fuck with vet stuff from Mexico.
 
Sorry bigandy if I misunderstood. I read the first page and hit REPLY and posted my experience. My results so far have been extremely non existent.
 
HighIntensity said:


They are on anascience, believe it tested out at 200mgs exactly

this sounds like TT all over, rumors saying their shit sucked and was dirty...

I have used TT and had nothing but good results
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HighIntensity is right, rumors rumors....they get old after awhile. I used Ttokkyo products including their EQ with great success so if you can get QV cheaper than other products then go for it. Njuice you should be good to go! :D
 
Metal Gear said:
I understand exactly what he's saying, but that's beside the point. I haven't seen 1 decent post that everyone agrees on the same product. This is just another one of those. It works for some and not for the others, that's it. You can prove shit unless you get a whole bunch of different batches and get them tested, other then that you are assed out...got to take a chance. That's what you get when you fuck with vet stuff from Mexico.
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I think that no one will ever agree on the same product. I started this game in 1990 and there will always be counterfeits and fakes as there was then as there is now. The major factor that as metal gear points out is that some drugs work for some and not others. The problem being that most gear will not yield the same results in one person as it will in the other with all things being equal as training, eating and sleep. My best friend and I started juicing at the same time with the same drugs the same dosages, slept and ate the same, yet I gained 15 more pounds than he did. Why I do not know, but he trained and tried his heart out as much as I did and he could never catch me. The fact that everyone is different and there is always multiple circumstance's that affect any one persons gains from another. There is no exact science to describe anything that will work for the masses be it drugs, nutrition or training. Otherwise we all would be monsters. It sucks that the drug makers complicate this even more by assuring us that their products are 100%. When in most instances the obtainable Mexican drugs or other European drugs do not meet label claims. Adding this to the dissension of would be hopeful muscle monsters they are not only marketing a possibly inviable product but under dose or not dose a particular product close to the label claims deceiving the expecting buyer. The bottom line is and always has been is that steroids only work for some and not most and the people that they work for always question the validity of the product when they do not yield the expected results. Skewing the outcome for the users that thought they should be monsters and never were going to be.

DROID
 
Jae said:
Sorry bigandy if I misunderstood. I read the first page and hit REPLY and posted my experience. My results so far have been extremely non existent.
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No problem bro.

Guys, why is it we never hear any complaints about legit European/American/Canadian gear?

Maybe because the consistency of these products is good.

The fact is there are many factors at play here so figuring out if a product is good or bad makes it very hard.

Some Mexican and underground labs understand that and they take advantage of the situation, one batch may be overdosed, another will be underdosed.

The fact is, if a newbie to gear (under 3 cycles) uses underdosed gear, he will still make good gains. Especially with the current newbie cycles of 500mg of test/ 400mg of EQ and 30mg of Dbol.

Even if his gear is underdosed by more than 50%, a first time user could still gain 20 lbs.

That's why vets are so important, if Jae, Needsize, Huck, da big thinker tell me a product is bad or good I will listen.
 
WannaImpress said:


HighIntensity is right, rumors rumors....they get old after awhile. I used Ttokkyo products including their EQ with great success so if you can get QV cheaper than other products then go for it. Njuice you should be good to go! :D
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It's hardly rumors though- simply guys like myself speaking from our own experience. Believe what you wish and take away from what we say what you can.
--peace
 
now I am more confussed than ever. I have access to QV products but I am not sure if I will be waisting money. Argghhh.
 
OK people, this is fucking stupid. As far as Mexican gear goes QV is the best shit out there hands fucking down.

If your gear is legit and you checked your lot numbers and you are not getting good gains, it might be your diet, sleep factors or a number of different things.

Right now, the safest bet for Mexican gear is QV. Not only do they test their batches, but members have tested them as well. Its all good and its never had a bad result come back from a test.

If you are having bad results, I am not saying that you are lieing, I am just saying make sure everything else is in check.

If you are debating to use the product, personally I think your nuts. QV is top notch, it may be vet, but it wasnt made for animals, this is made for humans, point fucking blank.

Just my 2cc's PEACE
 
OK lets look at this

QV has been around for about a year now, making 2 batches. They are a sister company of Denkall. Yet they have decieded the best way to start of a buisness is 2 make bunk gear.

Think about what you are saying, Gear companys rely on word of mouth, so why would they start underdosing from the get go.

Thirdly like I said before, Anascience tested QV EQ...and the results were 200mgs on the nose.

All I am adding is that TT got hit hard with bad rumors, and people stoped buying their gear...Sure they began to underfill, but I was still very pleased with the results I have gotten from TT.
And this was from their last batch.
 
HighIntensity said:
OK lets look at this

QV has been around for about a year now, making 2 batches. They are a sister company of Denkall. Yet they have decieded the best way to start of a buisness is 2 make bunk gear.

Think about what you are saying, Gear companys rely on word of mouth, so why would they start underdosing from the get go.

Thirdly like I said before, Anascience tested QV EQ...and the results were 200mgs on the nose.

All I am adding is that TT got hit hard with bad rumors, and people stoped buying their gear...Sure they began to underfill, but I was still very pleased with the results I have gotten from TT.
And this was from their last batch.
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Good post
 
kronk said:
If you are debating to use the product, personally I think your nuts. QV is top notch, it may be vet, but it wasnt made for animals, this is made for humans, point fucking blank.
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yes

why do people have such a difficult time accepting this...
 
If you don't like QV don't fucken buy it, but keep you mouth shut and don't fuck shit up for everyone else trying to buy their stuff. Just because your source fuck you over doesn't mean Qv shit is bunk.
 
Metal Gear said:
If you don't like QV don't fucken buy it, but keep you mouth shut and don't fuck shit up for everyone else trying to buy their stuff. Just because your source fuck you over doesn't mean Qv shit is bunk.
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chill out- this is a public board everyone has a right to post their opinion without getting flamed for it.
--peace
 
Personally, I haven't had a problem with QV. I do have a problem with the Ttokkyo EQ when a very respected vet such as ULTER says that the last two bottles he received tested out as being test!!!!!

BMJ
 
I don't konw personally, having never used QV products. But, just for the sake of starting shit, I'm going to take this opportunity to remind everyone how well Spectro has worked for me in the past. It rules! :D
Eat shit and die the whole lot of you fuckers! Just kidding, but seriously, try it yourself cause it's the only way you'll ever know. If you feel the company has integrit and you liked it once, then you should never have to worry. That is why finding a good brand that you trust is so important - you know exactly what you are getting and there is no guess work with planning out a cycle, and if you're using something new then you will know for certain where the problem is if you're only combining it with other gear you trust. In conclusion, try it and see for yourself. Also, I like pants but only when I don't have to wear them.
 
Lift Chief said:


chill out- this is a public board everyone has a right to post their opinion without getting flamed for it.
--peace
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shut up dude, you havent' been here long enough to know what goes on this board, otherwise you wouldn't open your mouth so keep you nose out of my business dude.
 
Metal Gear said:


shut up dude, you havent' been here long enough to know what goes on this board, otherwise you wouldn't open your mouth so keep you nose out of my business dude.
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what the fuck is your problem man? you shouldnt flame somebody in every fucking thread you reply to. lighten up.

by the way, the reason "what goes on this board" is mainly flaming is because of people like yourself. just because it happens doesnt mean we like it to.
 
The QV prop is the only thing I have used by them. As I stated, my gains have been zero. I don't know about the rest of you. Maybe I got a bad batch. Though all 6 bottles I have are different numbers.
 
THE BOUNCER said:
it's funny you say that because I also felt nothing from there EQ.
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Funny that you say that, Bouncer. I did a QV Deca/EQ cycle and
got AWESOME results!!! But......(always a but) this was early in
the summer. Kinda before everybody was screaming QV. This
sounds familiar. Little upstart company offering GREAT products
at very competitive prices comes along, people buy, buy, buy,
the quality/quantity starts to drop quicker then you can say
QV. It was only a matter of time.
g
 
Last cycle I used QV Enanthate @ 500mgs/wk. I got some gains but nothing spectacular, however I started it late after already doing 4 weeks of tren so it's hard to tell. But I'll use QV enan. again and start it the same time as everything else including fast acting gear.

One side note, on this cycle I've included TT Eq and TT prop (along with some other goodies :D ) and the EQ after two weeks have already kicked in as far as the constant hunger goes, and Im up 10lbs from the fast acting AS.
 
trial0r said:


what the fuck is your problem man? you shouldnt flame somebody in every fucking thread you reply to. lighten up.

by the way, the reason "what goes on this board" is mainly flaming is because of people like yourself. just because it happens doesnt mean we like it to.
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and there are jack asses like you that have to stick their nose in everyone business try to be hero... get a life dude.. fools like that post a stupid reply and don't ever come checking on the thread ever again...fucken worthless contribulters
 
Metal Gear said:


and there are jack asses like you that have to stick their nose in everyone business try to be hero... get a life dude.. fools like that post a stupid reply and don't ever come checking on the thread ever again...fucken worthless contribulters
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Ignoring this- let us know what you think bouncer i'd be curious as to your expert opinion on QV products.
 
HighIntensity said:
OK lets look at this

QV has been around for about a year now, making 2 batches. They are a sister company of Denkall. Yet they have decieded the best way to start of a buisness is 2 make bunk gear.

Think about what you are saying, Gear companys rely on word of mouth, so why would they start underdosing from the get go.

Thirdly like I said before, Anascience tested QV EQ...and the results were 200mgs on the nose.

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Good points HI. Also, lets remember that Denkall has had several of its products tested right here on Elite and so far has hit them on the head. The newest one being for Denkall's new OX. Its the only var yet to actually test right on for having var in it.
 
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