Questions about my first cycle...

[jerbee99]

On the advice of a friend in town, I've started my first cycle. Here are my stats:

Height: 5'11"
Weight: 193 lbs
Age: 25
Lifting Experience: 2 years steadily


I've been going through supplement after supplement and just don't find that they're giving me results like I'd want. My diet is as clean as possible, given that I've virtually eliminated fast foods, processed foods, and other garbage for over a year now. I recently finished cutting for 5 months on a high protein intake of around 1600 cals a day - which shaved off a large quantity of body fat I'd accumulated. Now I'm bulking up, taking in about 3000-3500 cals a day in clean foods (about 300g of protein, 350g carbs, and 90g fat daily).

Anyway, here's the cycle I was recommended. I've done several searches and some agree with it, while others disagree. Either way, I'm only 1 week in so it's not too late to modify as needed.


deca - 1 cc every 6 days
test c - 1cc every 6 days
These two for 10 weeks, then:
Winstrol - stanozolol - 1cc every other day for 20 days

 

[hehateme000]

how much is in each cc?

 

[eddymerckx]

you are better off running one compound for your 1st cycle. what is your p/c/t/ and do you have anti-ees on hand?

 

[jerbee99]

how much is in each cc?

Sorry, I should have specified that as well.

For the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , it's:
Each 1 ml contains Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg and Oily Base c.b.p. 1ml

For the test, it's:
Each 1 ml contains Stanozolol 50mg and W. Base c.b.p. 1ml.

With the test, I'm not sure - it didn't come in a nice prelabeled bottle like the others did (I picked it up from a friend I've known for 5 years who's been cycling as long as I've known him).


I also failed to mention my PCT - post cycle therapy - : I picked up a 70mL bottle of Clomiphene citrate (35mg/mL) and planned to take 315mg the first day, 105mg from day 2 through 11, then 70mg from days 12 through 21. One of the things I've been trying to find out is if I will run into any issues running this concurrently with the Winstrol - stanozolol. From what each does, I don't think that they would interfere or be detrimental to one another, but that's why I'm letting the experts here point out any flaws in my plan. I also plan to pick up a bottle of Tribulus Terrestis and ZMA before starting the PCT.

 

[Pumpdup]

Also I think its better to pin Test C twice per week like Mon/Thurs to keep blood lvls stable with testosterone cypionate/E. Every 6 days may leave you with unstable lvls and possible Estrogen related issues.

Like above posted said anti Es or aromatase inhibitor are great to have on hand gynecomastia surgery is 5k.

Also much like above poster you didn't lay out a PCT - post cycle therapy - I really hope this means you forgot and not that you don't have one....

 

[eddymerckx]

Sorry, I should have specified that as well.

For the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , it's:
Each 1 ml contains Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg and Oily Base c.b.p. 1ml

For the test, it's:
Each 1 ml contains Stanozolol 50mg and W. Base c.b.p. 1ml.

With the test, I'm not sure - it didn't come in a nice prelabeled bottle like the others did (I picked it up from a friend I've known for 5 years who's been cycling as long as I've known him).

.

if you don't know i would not run it--how do you know it is even test? or what type......

 

[hurricane]

run test only first cycle see how your body reacts to to .. sides etc.. its gonna be your base riod for the majority of your cycles from now on .. so see how u react ..also since its your 1st cycle u dont need all that other stuff anyways

 

[jerbee99]

Also I think its better to pin testosterone cypionate twice per week like Mon/Thurs to keep blood lvls stable with testosterone cypionate/E. Every 6 days may leave you with unstable lvls and possible Estrogen related issues.

So to be on the safe side, pin 1/2 a cc of each every Monday/Thursday instead? Or should I stick with 1cc of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - every 6 days and just break the test into two per week?

Thanks for all of the great, and quick replies.

if you don't know i would not run it--how do you know it is even test? or what type......

This one wasn't bought from the 'net, or even through a contact... it was from a friend who I've been bros with for years now. If he was going to screw me over on anything, he's had (and not taken) plenty of opportunities before this. I don't know what other answer to give than that I trust him.

Also much like above poster you didn't lay out a PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - I really hope this means you forgot and not that you don't have one....

Yep, it got left out of my original post - I've since added it for your review.

I'm running to the gym right now, since they close in a little under 2 hours... I want to be sure I get a workout in today to keep the routine going strong. I'll check back as soon as I get home.

 

[eddymerckx]

So to be on the safe side, pin 1/2 a cc of each every Monday/Thursday instead? Or should I stick with 1cc of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - every 6 days and just break the test into two per week?

Thanks for all of the great, and quick replies.

This one wasn't bought from the 'net, or even through a contact... it was from a friend who I've been bros with for years now. If he was going to screw me over on anything, he's had (and not taken) plenty of opportunities before this. I don't know what other answer to give than that I trust him.
Yep, it got left out of my original post - I've since added it for your review.

I'm running to the gym right now, since they close in a little under 2 hours... I want to be sure I get a workout in today to keep the routine going strong. I'll check back as soon as I get home.

buy what kind of test--and how much?????? the difference is a half life could be 1day or 12 days (actuallty could be 18, but i have not seen that except in pellet form)

 

[jerbee99]

I'm running to the gym right now, since they close in a little under 2 hours...

Stupid "Holiday Hours"... they closed early for cleaning or some crap. Tomorrow's a new day...

but what kind of test--and how much??????

I shot over a text to get the details and got this back: "test Sustanon, 250mg/ml".

 

[eddymerckx]

Stupid "Holiday Hours"... they closed early for cleaning or some crap. Tomorrow's a new day...


I shot over a text to get the details and got this back: "test Sustanon, 250mg/ml".

just run that at 100 e/o/d and you will grow like crazy. save the rest for a 2nd cycle. just see how you do with this

 

[hooligan2004]

On the advice of a friend in town, I've started my first cycle. Here are my stats:

Height: 5'11"
Weight: 193 lbs
Age: 25
Lifting Experience: 2 years steadily


I've been going through supplement after supplement and just don't find that they're giving me results like I'd want. My diet is as clean as possible, given that I've virtually eliminated fast foods, processed foods, and other garbage for over a year now. I recently finished cutting for 5 months on a high protein intake of around 1600 cals a day - which shaved off a large quantity of body fat I'd accumulated. Now I'm bulking up, taking in about 3000-3500 cals a day in clean foods (about 300g of protein, 350g carbs, and 90g fat daily).

Anyway, here's the cycle I was recommended. I've done several searches and some agree with it, while others disagree. Either way, I'm only 1 week in so it's not too late to modify as needed.


Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - - 1 cc every 6 days
testosterone cypionate - 1cc every 6 days
These two for 10 weeks, then:
Winstrol - stanozolol - 1cc every other day for 20 days

i think most people are really hinting towards this i didnt read all the posts so if i repeat sorry, but get rid of the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - for now man thats a serious streroid for a first timer do you know what to do if gynecomastia signs appear and your anti-e's are not working?? I had to learn the hard way almost got progesterone induced gynecomastia you dont want that!!! i find it is very hard to get ahold of progesterone blockers, secondly why inject yourself with something that doesnt even have a label? what if this stuff is fake you really have no way of even getting a good read on it, and you dont know what kind of test? thats bad man real bad how do you know when to start PCT - post cycle therapy - ? no offense and please dont be pissed i am not trying to be an ass just giving a warning because ive been there and alost fucked up a few years ago myself... sounds like you need a little more planning and better knowledge of your gear before you start juicing doesnt mean you shouldnt just means you should be very very CAREFUL

 

[jerbee99]

Ok, so to go over it again with the details fresh:

For the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , it's:
Each 1 ml contains Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg and Oily Base c.b.p. 1ml

For the test Sustanon, it's 250mg/ml.

With these two, I'll be doing test s @ 100 EOD and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - @ 150 EOD. Would there be a problem with every third day instead of every other day? This way I wouldn't have to start looking for new sites... being new to pinning I'm not comfortable with anywhere besides my glutes.



For the Winstrol - stanozolol, it's:
Each 1 ml contains Stanozolol 50mg and W. Base c.b.p. 1ml.

(Winstrol - stanozolol to be run after the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - /test cycle @ 50mg EOD).

My PCT - post cycle therapy - is as follows... 70mL bottle of Clominphene citrate (35mg/ml), 315mg 1st day, 105mg 2nd-11th days, 70mg 12th-21st day. 1st day will be 24 hours after my last test/Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - pin. Also getting Tribulus Terrestis and ZMA to be taken in concurrence with the clomid.

From the sounds of it I should also pick up a bottle of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - ... 30ml @ 25mg/ml, then run it starting during the last 2 weeks of the cycle at 50mg/day.

I also have some Clenbuterol left over from a cutting cycle I did late last year (October). There's half of a bottle left, so I'd estimate I have 15mL @ 200mcg/mL. I've found a few places that recommend starting a Clenbuterol cycle at the end of the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - /test, along with the clomid but don't have any specifics on it yet.

 

[jerbee99]

Update: I've found LiquiDex (Anastrozole, 30mL 1mg/mL) from a UGL I've used before, but they don't have Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - . If I take a low dosage continously - around .5mL a day, that should get me through the cycle, whereupon I can switch to the clomid and others for PCT - post cycle therapy - .

Any opinions? If nothing else, just check out this post and the one directly above it and let me know what you guys are thinking. I do appreciate it.

 

[eddymerckx]

i would still stick with just the sustenon only--it is great stuff and with that alone you will grow. dec.a is good for a later cycle. the liquidex is great to have on hand, i would not take it throughout the cycle, only if side show -up. at 300/week you should be fine. bros who take it throughout the cycle are on much much doses or prone to bad sides (which is why you start off with just test--find out you like test and test likes you).

 

[Pumpdup]

i would still stick with just the sustenon only--it is great stuff and with that alone you will grow. dec.a is good for a later cycle. the liquidex is great to have on hand, i would not take it throughout the cycle, only if side show -up. at 300/week you should be fine. bros who take it throughout the cycle are on much much doses or prone to bad sides (which is why you start off with just test--find out you like test and test likes you).

Great advice stick with just one compound. Sustenon is a buncha esters rolled into one but you should stick with just this.

Lets say you try out all these compounds and you react horribly with Deca or Winny or Test how will you know which to stop?

This is really an experiement process for you and your body, since its your first cycle you are going to grow like crazy with just one compound. later it will become harder to grow which is why many start to use Stacks of compounds in their cycles. But if you start out with stacks where to go?? You can only grow so much at one time so just stick with Sustenon save the rest for another cycle you will thank us later.

 

[advanced-stealth]

Stick with the Sustanon alone for this cycle.

Save the Deca for your second cycle.

 

[GUARDIAN]

one compound is great advice for a 1st cycle though imo i think it should be a single ester.

 

[Selfcentor]

Also I think its better to pin testosterone cypionate twice per week like Mon/Thurs to keep blood lvls stable with testosterone cypionate/E. Every 6 days may leave you with unstable lvls and possible Estrogen related issues.

Like above posted said anti Es or aromatase inhibitor are great to have on hand gynecomastia surgery is 5k.

Also much like above poster you didn't lay out a PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - I really hope this means you forgot and not that you don't have one....

I have to dissagree about the Test C. Once a week is plenty for it. I took it once a week and never had a downtime any part of the week. First cycle take as little as possible for most results.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

run test only first cycle see how your body reacts to to .. sides etc.. its gonna be your base riod for the majority of your cycles from now on .. so see how u react ..also since its your 1st cycle u dont need all that other stuff anyways

X2!!!

 

[ReadyforBig]

On the advice of a friend in town, I've started my first cycle. Here are my stats:

Height: 5'11"
Weight: 193 lbs
Age: 25
Lifting Experience: 2 years steadily


I've been going through supplement after supplement and just don't find that they're giving me results like I'd want. My diet is as clean as possible, given that I've virtually eliminated fast foods, processed foods, and other garbage for over a year now. I recently finished cutting for 5 months on a high protein intake of around 1600 cals a day - which shaved off a large quantity of body fat I'd accumulated. Now I'm bulking up, taking in about 3000-3500 cals a day in clean foods (about 300g of protein, 350g carbs, and 90g fat daily).

Anyway, here's the cycle I was recommended. I've done several searches and some agree with it, while others disagree. Either way, I'm only 1 week in so it's not too late to modify as needed.


Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - - 1 cc every 6 days
testosterone cypionate - 1cc every 6 days
These two for 10 weeks, then:
Winstrol - stanozolol - 1cc every other day for 20 days

Did this as my very first cycle but this is a very small amount presuming 200/ml each cc. I would suggest increasing dosage but for me, deca was a big mistake lots of sexual side effects ala Deca-Dick which lasts well beyond the end of the cycle.