question from a rookie

[pete964]

Hi Guys,

I have a question where I am sure many of you have ways to help me.

I'm 50 years old , 6ft2, 190 pounds.

I train since I'm 20, normally 2-3 times per week. I think I am reasonably fit.

After 30 years, believe or not, I kind of feel I'd like to gain 10-20 pounds of muscle, and loose maybe 10 of fat.

The other day, I was complaining with my inability to gain muscle with a guy at the gym. he then suggested me to use some steroids for a period of time.

I confess that I'm kind of scared of screwing up my health and/or loosing immediately any gains once I stop. so I'm kind of ready to give it a try for 2-3 months but rather not get hooked into a too long period. This guy told me to try anavar only.

reading through the forum I cannot really make up my mind of what would suit me best. Money for me is not an issue and I do not need massive gains but I am kind of lost , also considering that I am not the regular type of guy who starts with Steroids.

Well, thanks to any of you who can give me some advise. In any case I will document myself more which ever way but I thought that in this forum I probably get a summary advise.

Thanks!!!

 

[muskate]

OK first, no steroid is going to make you gain 20 pounds of muscle and loose 10 pounds of body fat. Especially at your age and with your training experience. If you gain and keep 10 pounds of muscle from a first steroid cycle with no increase in body fat, that is considered an extremely effective first cycle.


You seem a little uneasy about steroid usage so my suggestion to you would be to do a couple cycles of SARMS before venturing into steroids. SARMS are a great entry way into PEDS. They are not the same strength of steroids but they are very minimal in the way of side effects. They are only extremely minimally suppressive of natural testosterone production, do not aromatize so side effects like gyno are impossible and do not effect your liver, blood pressure, cholesterol or hair line.


They also don't require injections and are legal for purchase which is nice.


The SARMS triple stack would be a great first SARMS cycle to run:http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol


After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day


SARMS are minimally suppressive, there is no risk of aromatization (therefore no estrogen related side effects) and legal to use. You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com

 

[Jay Scott]

SARMS would be a mild solution if you do not want to use steroids. However just because you will use some gear, it does not mean you will gain 20 pounds of muscle and lose 10 pounds of fat. Its just humanly almost impossible (im saying almost because there are genetic freaks)

 

[Lev Butlerov]

I would say that there are basically two things that will fit you best. Either go on TRT, which should be diagnosed and prescribed based on your blood work and symptoms, or use SARMS.

For instance, in one study with the elderly, test subjects were given 5 mgs of Ostarine per day during 16 weeks. In the end of the study, they gained on average 9 lbs of lean mass, and lost 4 of fat. Keep in mind that they did not follow any particular diet or train. Imagine what you can do by using 5 times their dosage, working out, and eating well.

However, you must also keep your expectations within reasonable, because at this age it is hard to do both things.

 

[stevesmi]

i agree totally with the above.. it sounds to me like SARM's are your best option for what you are describing.

also if steroids put on 20 pounds of muscle and dropped 10 pounds of fat every 20 year in the gym would be walking around at 250 pounds with 5% body fat cause half of them are juicing these days. it doesn't work like that. steroids are merely a tool but they aren't magic.

the sad reality is most guys you see at the gym who don't even look like they lift are on or have used steroids

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

Sarms are perfect for you. Do not go on a steroid cycle unless you are mentally 100% committed.

 

[pete964]

Thanks guys,

I heard about sarms at the gym but was not quite sure they would bring anything significant.

really appreciated the hint. I did a little reading in the meantime.

I was first agreeing and thinking of trying the s4+osta+gw triple stack. I was kind of put off by the sides of s4 though. I am not keen to have such a potential scare.

what about a simple osta+mk677? would this be a good test for a recomp cycle?
do you reckon I would need to PCT with nolva?
would lgd maybe be better?

I guy at the gym told me last month that osta (or sarms in general?) can trigger some gyno (so it did to him), what should I have at hand in case this happens?

thanks guys for the advise

 

[stevesmi]

^^ yes as long as your diet and training are on point. i would aim to be in a caloric deficit everyday

 

[Jay Scott]

Ostarine (if its a legit one, like from sarms1) should never cause gyno. Otherwise it means it was laced with something else

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

SARMS do not aromatize into estrogen so he was definitely using a prohormone. I bet if you ask him, his product was in capsules. SARMS can only be sold as a research chemical liquid and not a supplement in a capsule. The side effects of S4 are extremely overplayed as well. You can certainly run a recomp stack without it though. If you are set on Ostarine and nutrobal then I would definitely add Cardarine. You would have a great recomp stack there.