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Goodfellow
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Did u get bloodwork done before your cycle? This could be well below what is normal for you OR it could be normal for you. But without something to guage it by, it just looks like you fall in the lower end of the normal range.
CLOMIDCLOWN
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def. too low for someone your age.
check out the trt board at sculpted by iron for more info
Sculptedbyiron TRT threads
OR contact dr john (aka Swale) over at Jr John
Hope this helps!
check out the trt board at sculpted by iron for more info
Sculptedbyiron TRT threads
OR contact dr john (aka Swale) over at Jr John
Hope this helps!
Goodfellow
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Yea it looks like you are in the very low end of the normal range. You still seem a bit young to go on TRT for life though.
BigGuns29
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I am at 203 on a scale of 241-835 or something for total test, and at 55 on a scale of 18 - 985 or something for free test. He says that is normal. Should I be concerned since the free test is ok? Or is my doc just not wanting to do something he should? Like HRT. I want to be normal as I show all signs of low test, depression, gyno, moodiness, anger, lack of sex drive, etc... I would like to be normal with that, but abnormal with freaky muscle size.
CLOMIDCLOWN
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i think your doctor is just following "conventional medicine" and needs to grow a pair of nuts.
he ios probably too lazy to learn anything new AND even if he did, he is probably so inexperienced with hrt that he would have you taking shots every month or something rather than every week.
get a more compasionate doc that goes with your subjective report AS WELL as low test scores (which should be enough documentation on their own).
he ios probably too lazy to learn anything new AND even if he did, he is probably so inexperienced with hrt that he would have you taking shots every month or something rather than every week.
get a more compasionate doc that goes with your subjective report AS WELL as low test scores (which should be enough documentation on their own).
DMI
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It really depends on whether you want your natural test levels to return to normal again, providing 203 isn't what you were at prior to your cycle. It might be a good idea to start off with some more clomid and HCG for a few weeks and get another blood test afterwards.
I really don't think HRT is necessary yet. I think with a few weeks of HCG and clomid or even nolva you could get your numbers higher. HRT isn't for everyone!
I really don't think HRT is necessary yet. I think with a few weeks of HCG and clomid or even nolva you could get your numbers higher. HRT isn't for everyone!
CLOMIDCLOWN
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nah, he needs hrt. he can always start it after the cycle.
DMI
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I know, but if he got them back in the normal range then he doesn't 'need' hrt. Unless he definitely wants to engage in hrt (which I wouldn't necessarily discourage,) then he should first try to get his hpta functioning fully again and get those numbers back up into the normal range. This is very much a personal decision for him to decide for himself. I wouldn't jump straight into it.
BigGuns29 said:
LISTEN TO ME BRO: Tell your doc exactly what you just said in the paragraph above......and be insistent on getting HRT. If he wavers or tries to talk you out of it, drop his ass like a bad habit and find another doc who will. It's your life, do what you gotta do.
Good luck.
BigGuns29
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majutsu said:
The good thing is, even before my use of AAS, all of this info and symptoms were well documented since 1997 in my medical history. Why didnt anyone suspect it. I think I should charge this doc for me figuring this out and split it up with you guys...LOL... Wierd thing I am growing very well with this low test level. I couldnt imagine what I would look like at normal levels.
He doesn't necessarily need HRT. I can't believe how many people have jumped the gun here. If you don't understand why his levels are low, don't make any rediculous recomendations. This is someone else's life you are playing with.
Not only are his testosterone levels low, but his LH, FSH and estradiol levels are also low. This suggests a gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) defficiency.
The clinical features of GnRH and/or gonadotropin deficiency are typically first manifested at puberty, a time when there is normally a marked increase in GnRH secretion. The phenotypic presentation of hypogonadotropic hypogonadism varies with age of onset (congenital vs. acquired), severity (complete vs. partial), and duration (functional vs. permanent).
Adult onset idiopathic hypogonadotropic hypogonadism:
In this group of patients, puberty occurs normally and is followed years later by a decrease in libido, sexual function and fertility. The biochemical profile of these patients is indistinguishable from subjects with congenital GnRH deficiency in that they have an apulsatile pattern of LH secretion associated with low serum testosterone levels. In addition, more than 90% of cases have normal restoration of the pituitary gonadal axis when treated with physiologic GnRH replacement regimens supporting a hypothalamic defect as the origin of the disorder.
The key now is to diagnose the origin of the disorder.
Jenetic
Not only are his testosterone levels low, but his LH, FSH and estradiol levels are also low. This suggests a gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) defficiency.
The clinical features of GnRH and/or gonadotropin deficiency are typically first manifested at puberty, a time when there is normally a marked increase in GnRH secretion. The phenotypic presentation of hypogonadotropic hypogonadism varies with age of onset (congenital vs. acquired), severity (complete vs. partial), and duration (functional vs. permanent).
Adult onset idiopathic hypogonadotropic hypogonadism:
In this group of patients, puberty occurs normally and is followed years later by a decrease in libido, sexual function and fertility. The biochemical profile of these patients is indistinguishable from subjects with congenital GnRH deficiency in that they have an apulsatile pattern of LH secretion associated with low serum testosterone levels. In addition, more than 90% of cases have normal restoration of the pituitary gonadal axis when treated with physiologic GnRH replacement regimens supporting a hypothalamic defect as the origin of the disorder.
The key now is to diagnose the origin of the disorder.
Jenetic
majutsu
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Jenetic said:
The thread is divided on HRT, as many no as yes. But, as you said, Jenetic, the key is to diagnose, not for the doc to say, "You're fine." With a straight face, no less. That is what is unconscionable. I think that is what most people are reacting to negatively, that blase patient "care".
We can speculate all day, but the man needs a better work-up.
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