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Question for Retabolil...

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I remember a few years ago you would do some pretty big DBol-only cycles. So I figure you would be a good person to get an opinion on this:

T-Bol vs. D-Bol

I looked back about 20 pages or so on this forum and didnt find any great information on the matter as far as personal experience. I know TBol just recently resurfaced from the UG labs, so maybe thats why not a whole lot of experience. I realize TBol has less sides (due to less activity on androgen receptor), but how is it as far as pumps and weight gain? I assume you have used both, so what do you prefer?
 
I am not Ret but I will chime in

Basically it is all about goals, Dbol gives awesome strength, inceased mood, gets u horny as hell, and quite a bit of water weight

Tbol gives, strength increase, slight increase in sexdrive and lean harder gains, with no sides

Tbol is easier to hold on to the gains also with proper PCT
 
the pumps on tbol are rather amazing. your shit will be hurting. absolutely no sides.
 
Im using tbol again for the 2nd time at 100mg/day. They do make you hard and strong, but dont kick in as fast as dbol. And the strength increase is much better with dbol. But you have the bloat then too. Not with tbol, no bloat at all. So it would be matter of preference of what your goals are. I think Ret runs high doses, I might try that sometime. Ive always used 50-70mg/day with great results. I think Ret was way over 100mg/day!
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
Im using tbol again for the 2nd time at 100mg/day. They do make you hard and strong, but dont kick in as fast as dbol. And the strength increase is much better with dbol. But you have the bloat then too. Not with tbol, no bloat at all. So it would be matter of preference of what your goals are. I think Ret runs high doses, I might try that sometime. Ive always used 50-70mg/day with great results. I think Ret was way over 100mg/day!


In the past I remember him running over 100mgs of DBol per day. Thats why I was curious on his thoughts of TBol.

My 'supplementation' is all about giving me an extra edge. If I can train hard and eat good for a 3lb increase/week then I am happy. I am not looking to shoot up 30lbs in the shortterm only to fight at kicking my natural mechanisms back into shape while trying to hold on to super-natural gains.

It is definitely strange how different bodies respond to different things. I have run Test at over 750mg/wk with EQ and it didnt produce as much gains and satisfaction as running Proviron with 30mgs of DBol per day. Go figure I guess.


Which brings me to my next question for those in the know...

From my reading it seemed TBol had a similar effect of Proviron (binds to the SHBG) So would running Proviron with TBol be advantageous? Because for me, I would never run Dbol without proviron.
 
DieselGunz said:
Damn 100mgs a day WOW, u must drink alot of water I get kidney pains at 50

Most likely seemingly constant lower back pumps, not kidney pains bro. I used to think I was getting kidney pains too. I get this from winny as well as DBol.
 
TBol did not give me lower back pumps.

steelmass said:
DAMN! I get real bad back pumps off of dbol and winny! I hope t-bol doesn't do this to me... I gotta get my deadlift up this cycle!
 
GRR these threads are bothering me, if you are going to direct a question to one person. then PM them! do not post a thread directed at them or if so, at least add on a (or anyone else that wants to chime in) or something to it..

Better yet, title it appropriately and then PM the person you want to look at it with the link and say "hey, mind taking a look at this for me?"



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cyrex said:
GRR these threads are bothering me, if you are going to direct a question to one person. then PM them! do not post a thread directed at them or if so, at least add on a (or anyone else that wants to chime in) or something to it..

Better yet, title it appropriately and then PM the person you want to look at it with the link and say "hey, mind taking a look at this for me?"



GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


I can somewhat see your point. But in 20 pages of searching I didnt find this topic in the archives of Elite Fitness. I believe Ret to be a good source of information when it comes to DBol because of his past use. Just because I am the one posing the question doesnt mean other people wont want to see what he thinks. If I asked him in a PM its just more info that is never seen by the rest of the community and will eventually be asked again anyways. As you can see, we have discussed it so far in this topic, and Ret hasnt chimed in, so obviously anyone is welcome to share experiences, I am just waiting to hear what he thinks.
 
ForumObserver said:
I can somewhat see your point. But in 20 pages of searching I didnt find this topic in the archives of Elite Fitness. I believe Ret to be a good source of information when it comes to DBol because of his past use. Just because I am the one posing the question doesnt mean other people wont want to see what he thinks. If I asked him in a PM its just more info that is never seen by the rest of the community and will eventually be asked again anyways. As you can see, we have discussed it so far in this topic, and Ret hasnt chimed in, so obviously anyone is welcome to share experiences, I am just waiting to hear what he thinks.


I'm sure he will be around:) Until then here you go:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442892
 
cyrex said:
GRR these threads are bothering me, if you are going to direct a question to one person. then PM them! do not post a thread directed at them or if so, at least add on a (or anyone else that wants to chime in) or something to it..

Better yet, title it appropriately and then PM the person you want to look at it with the link and say "hey, mind taking a look at this for me?"



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I dont see a problem with directing a question towards one person, I see it everyday on here.. But you are right, PM the person too, that would help too!
 
cyrex said:
GRR these threads are bothering me, if you are going to direct a question to one person. then PM them! do not post a thread directed at them or if so, at least add on a (or anyone else that wants to chime in) or something to it..

Better yet, title it appropriately and then PM the person you want to look at it with the link and say "hey, mind taking a look at this for me?"



GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


chill out


people do it on here all the time...personally i look at the thread no matter what the title is, if i have time..maybe im just a looser who takes the time to read most everything even if its not directed towards me...

and if i can answer it i will, if not i will bump it... but YOU have to cause a big fuss bro...come on we help one another here :worried:

we should let ourselves get concerned with the little shit here :rolleyes:
 
I read a thread from Mendo about the kidneys having to extract a metabolite from tbol and inturn would give the user pain if you were not drinking enuff water.

Hold on let me try and find it
 
Wasnt around when metal gear was. That guy is fuckin rediculous.......LMAO! These guys runnin 150Mg of Dbol......It just makes me laugh. Think you would just blow up. Metal looked awful massive though!
 
ForumObserver said:
I can somewhat see your point. But in 20 pages of searching I didnt find this topic in the archives of Elite Fitness. I believe Ret to be a good source of information when it comes to DBol because of his past use. Just because I am the one posing the question doesnt mean other people wont want to see what he thinks. If I asked him in a PM its just more info that is never seen by the rest of the community and will eventually be asked again anyways. As you can see, we have discussed it so far in this topic, and Ret hasnt chimed in, so obviously anyone is welcome to share experiences, I am just waiting to hear what he thinks.

With that logic though it would make no sense to title the post as something that gives no one a clue that it is about dbol, only those interested in Ret or the freaks that read EVERY SINGLE THREAD lol will click it

Anyways I'm just venting.. I get more angry at x-man posts lol
 
maybe he OBSERVED the FORUM before he joined(forum observer).... or maybe he is SATCH in a new outfit :)

Ego Boner
 
5 or 6 years ago there were a lot guys with 100mg/day in their cycles, BIZ, E2, ATLAS come to mind. The main concern is blood pressure. E2 thought it was fun to get nose bleeds. But those were the Golden Years of Elite.
Tbol just take the fun out of using an oral. Dbol is the steroid that makes the clouds go away. You feel like God on it at higher doses. Ask Arnold.
I think people who believe that gains from Tbol are easier to keep are misinterpreting "gains". You just don't get as much water but that doesn't mean you grow a "special" kind of muscle that is easier to keep. Think about it.
 
preemo said:
"back in the day you used to run" WHAT!!! STFU you joined inmarch of 06 and you want to say you remember please maighn

I used to have a different username here a few years ago. 'FirstTimeUser0001' was what it was. This was before (and right about the start of) platinum memberships even existed. During those changes it seems my username was removed, or maybe I dont remember the password. I have been training natty now for a couple of years, and actually registered this name to do what it says 'observe'. I didnt know I would get the itch again to actually jump in and mess with a few things.
 
Ulter said:
5 or 6 years ago there were a lot guys with 100mg/day in their cycles, BIZ, E2, ATLAS come to mind. The main concern is blood pressure. E2 thought it was fun to get nose bleeds. But those were the Golden Years of Elite.
Tbol just take the fun out of using an oral. Dbol is the steroid that makes the clouds go away. You feel like God on it at higher doses. Ask Arnold.
I think people who believe that gains from Tbol are easier to keep are misinterpreting "gains". You just don't get as much water but that doesn't mean you grow a "special" kind of muscle that is easier to keep. Think about it.


Exactly! Forget all that shit youve heard about keeping and losing gains. In the end your body will only retain what its genetically capable of holding. Lean muscle is lean muscle.....period..........you may lost more weight coming off of dbol as opposed to anavar but thats just the water your losing................ans switching to winny at the end isnt gonna help you solidify your gains either.
 
galaxy said:
Exactly! Forget all that shit youve heard about keeping and losing gains. In the end your body will only retain what its genetically capable of holding. Lean muscle is lean muscle.....period..........you may lost more weight coming off of dbol as opposed to anavar but thats just the water your losing................ans switching to winny at the end isnt gonna help you solidify your gains either.

I definitely agree to an extent. That is why this time around I have decided on very mild doses and mild drugs. I know that I will never be a 250lb beast unless I wanted to be 'on' most of the year. However, in the past I was able to break through barriers and do seem to hive a much higher 'floor' weight than I ever had before using anything. It seems now that I can stay 20lbs heavier now naturally than I ever could before, and this is after being off for a long time. This could be due to other things than just gear though. I have also aged and maybe my metabolism has slowed a bit.
 
galaxy said:
I was taking like 8 loeffler 25mg dbol a day for a couple weeks. Couldnt even do household chores without getting so pumped up i couldnt stand.

I wondered if you'd chime in on this. I only knew of you taking high dbol doses. I haven't tried 200 yet, I have done 80-100 and it was pretty awesome so I'd say 200 will blow you away.
 
Stacemranger said:
I wondered if you'd chime in on this. I only knew of you taking high dbol doses. I haven't tried 200 yet, I have done 80-100 and it was pretty awesome so I'd say 200 will blow you away.

Talk about taxing your liver... damn...
 
cyrex said:
GRR these threads are bothering me, if you are going to direct a question to one person. then PM them! do not post a thread directed at them or if so, at least add on a (or anyone else that wants to chime in) or something to it..

Better yet, title it appropriately and then PM the person you want to look at it with the link and say "hey, mind taking a look at this for me?"



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I did think the same thing when I first read it but I guess anyone on here knows what most of us has done if we talk about it here in the open. Now if you bring up some shit in the open that I pm'd you about we have a problem!
 
cyrex said:
GRR these threads are bothering me, if you are going to direct a question to one person. then PM them! do not post a thread directed at them or if so, at least add on a (or anyone else that wants to chime in) or something to it..

Better yet, title it appropriately and then PM the person you want to look at it with the link and say "hey, mind taking a look at this for me?"



GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Especially since RET still hasnt responded! LOL!!

Anyway 50mgs is max for me...props to those that do more!
 
Ulter said:
5 or 6 years ago there were a lot guys with 100mg/day in their cycles, BIZ, E2, ATLAS come to mind. The main concern is blood pressure. E2 thought it was fun to get nose bleeds. But those were the Golden Years of Elite.
Tbol just take the fun out of using an oral. Dbol is the steroid that makes the clouds go away. You feel like God on it at higher doses. Ask Arnold.
I think people who believe that gains from Tbol are easier to keep are misinterpreting "gains". You just don't get as much water but that doesn't mean you grow a "special" kind of muscle that is easier to keep. Think about it.


Damn bro I haven't taken Dbol since high school football in the 80's and the way you explained it was like talking about crack to a crackhead! I need some now!
 
galaxy said:
I was taking like 8 loeffler 25mg dbol a day for a couple weeks. Couldnt even do household chores without getting so pumped up i couldnt stand.
Damn bro, that's high dosage even for anadrol. No wonder you're thick as f-ck in your avatar. You take one mg of dbol per lb of bodyweight per day.
 
Retabolil2 said:
Since I got banned for the posts I made regarding DBBT, I`ll let him reply to your questions. As soon as I log out I wont be able to login anymore.

You and DBBT...you guys act like brothers..i swear..
 
banned what for
 
I hope this is a joke. ...........maybe i should just start doing tbol and primo cycles. I swear to fucking god...........how can anyone who associated with satch, indy and Radar get you banned i have no idea..........if this is true ill be the first to sign the petition to get you back.
 
lmao....i am still new to EF. But I have seen a lot of stupid shit in that last couple months. Other sites talk about this place being house of drama and now I think they might be right. Hope you stay ret. People need to not take this shit personal..fuck its worse the the 8th graders that I coach football to. Cry about everything.
 
I know Ret wants to "kill me like Russian bear" on a daily basis, but he's as solid as they come.

I don't think anyone in their right MIND would ban him......

He's too valuable.
 
cityhick said:
lmao....i am still new to EF. But I have seen a lot of stupid shit in that last couple months. Other sites talk about this place being house of drama and now I think they might be right. Hope you stay ret. People need to not take this shit personal..fuck its worse the the 8th graders that I coach football to. Cry about everything.

Thats because on this site we actually INJECT! thus our blood and hormone levels are all crazy creating a great environment for drama. :chomp:
 
swordfish151 said:
Thats because on this site we actually INJECT! thus our blood and hormone levels are all crazy creating a great environment for drama. :chomp:

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to swordfish151 again.


Fuckin estrogen.
 
Some may not agree when it comes to the way Ret says things or expresses himself. It's called freedom of speech people. Ret has been on the scene for years. He gives sound advice and helps alot of people. Too many people take things too seriously on here. There are thousands of different personalities on this board. We aren't always going to agree with one another. We just have to make the best out of what it is and get on with it. Ret is definately a good guy and has proven this! His AAS knowledge is definately an asset to the board.
 
BOWTECH said:
Some may not agree when it comes to the way Ret says things or expresses himself. It's called freedom of speech people. Ret has been on the scene for years. He gives sound advice and helps alot of people. Too many people take things too seriously on here. There are thousands of different personalities on this board. We aren't always going to agree with one another. We just have to make the best out of what it is and get on with it. Ret is definately a good guy and has proven this! His AAS knowledge is definately an asset to the board.

well said my friend..............
 
Retabolil2 said:
Since I got banned for the posts I made regarding DBBT, I`ll let him reply to your questions. As soon as I log out I wont be able to login anymore.


No way you would get banned from here. You have too much knowledge on too many things. So how about it, can I experience similar gains on TBol as I did on Russian DBol. Also, Proviron seemed to really enhance my Dbol experience, would it have a similar effect when taking Tbol?
 
BOWTECH said:
Some may not agree when it comes to the way Ret says things or expresses himself. It's called freedom of speech people. Ret has been on the scene for years. He gives sound advice and helps alot of people. Too many people take things too seriously on here. There are thousands of different personalities on this board. We aren't always going to agree with one another. We just have to make the best out of what it is and get on with it. Ret is definately a good guy and has proven this! His AAS knowledge is definately an asset to the board.
Great post. Ret is a good bro.
 
When you use Tbol you will make more of lean mass gains with no bloat. When you run Dbol you will have more bloat but will also have good size and strenth gains. It all depends on what you are looking for. They are both good...I use dbol in the first four weeks and tbol in last four works very well for me
 
BOWTECH said:
When you use Tbol you will make more of lean mass gains with no bloat. When you run Dbol you will have more bloat but will also have good size and strenth gains. It all depends on what you are looking for. They are both good...I use dbol in the first four weeks and tbol in last four works very well for me


Since I have been clean for a couple years, I wasnt around when the UG Labs started re-producing TBol. So I have never used it. I have only used Russian DBol (aside from test and other orals). But when I run DBol i also run Proviron which for some reason makes the DBol seem to affect me a lot better. But what the proviron also does is keep the bloat down. My body reacts very well to gear (The first week of shooting test I will shampoo hair out in the shower). I am more into staying lean and just gaining clean muscle rather than much else, thats why TBol interested me. I guess I am interested in if TBol will be as dramatic as DBol + Proviron was and also what TBol + Proviron would do.

On DBol i can usually gain 3-4 pounds per week on 30-40mg/day without much bloat (due to proviron).
 
Tbol works good but not as fast and dramatic as Dbol. If you have good results from Dbol stick with it. And to help with your hair try using 2% Nizoral shampoo (get in on ebay for cheap). And also A-G Guys LiquiSteride. Good stuff keeps me with a full head of hair :)
 
BOWTECH said:
Tbol works good but not as fast and dramatic as Dbol. If you have good results from Dbol stick with it. And to help with your hair try using 2% Nizoral shampoo (get in on ebay for cheap). And also A-G Guys LiquiSteride. Good stuff keeps me with a full head of hair :)

The hair thing is only temporary while on. As soon as the test leaves my body I dont experience it anymore. I dont really think I am prone to natural hair loss so I am not too worried about it.

The one concern I do have is the 1 time I used some dbol without proviron my left nip got a little lump. It since has totally disappeared sicne I havent touched anything in a long time, but that is my one concern about jumping back into DBol (even though I dont think it would recurr since I will use Proviron).
 
ForumObserver said:
The hair thing is only temporary while on. As soon as the test leaves my body I dont experience it anymore. I dont really think I am prone to natural hair loss so I am not too worried about it.

The one concern I do have is the 1 time I used some dbol without proviron my left nip got a little lump. It since has totally disappeared sicne I havent touched anything in a long time, but that is my one concern about jumping back into DBol (even though I dont think it would recurr since I will use Proviron).
Have some nolvadex on hand just in case. Good luck Bro :)
 
ForumObserver said:
I remember a few years ago you would do some pretty big DBol-only cycles. So I figure you would be a good person to get an opinion on this:

T-Bol vs. D-Bol

I looked back about 20 pages or so on this forum and didnt find any great information on the matter as far as personal experience. I know TBol just recently resurfaced from the UG labs, so maybe thats why not a whole lot of experience. I realize TBol has less sides (due to less activity on androgen receptor), but how is it as far as pumps and weight gain? I assume you have used both, so what do you prefer?

If you`re bulking up then forget about Tbol! Its nowhere close to Dbol! Ulter is absolutely correct and I agree with him 100%, it gives you great feeling of well being. I love BD Methanabol-50, gives me great strength gains and nose bleedings :) Sometimes I squat and bleeding at the same time :) Naposim is different doesnt bloat me up, no high BP and still gives good gains but nowhere close to BD Meth50 which reminds me old good russian dbol which was absolutely best for mass/strength gains to me. Thats why I dont use BD meth longer than 1week :)
Tbol is great on low carb diet, really helps to maintain muscle and burn fat at the same time.
I`ve been on dbol at 150mg a day for over a year. Some guys cant believe I still have a liver :) I dont think I train hard or eat right, I dont have enough time for this at moment but I`m still prety big and stronger than ever :)
 
itlnstln said:
well said my friend..............
Glad you figured it out, my friend. Ret has been around here for as long as I've been coming around, and longer. I would've hated to have to take sides but Ret is comrade # 1 around here for a long time. Plus he delivers! :)
 
I never have talked to RET but hes a fuckin monster. Its hard to believe half the shit that is typed. But lookin at the pics I deffenitly do. I think no one has more of a right to say. GO BIG OR GO THE FUCK HOME!
 
Retabolil2 said:
If you`re bulking up then forget about Tbol! Its nowhere close to Dbol! Ulter is absolutely correct and I agree with him 100%, it gives you great feeling of well being. I love BD Methanabol-50, gives me great strength gains and nose bleedings :) Sometimes I squat and bleeding at the same time :) Naposim is different doesnt bloat me up, no high BP and still gives good gains but nowhere close to BD Meth50 which reminds me old good russian dbol which was absolutely best for mass/strength gains to me. Thats why I dont use BD meth longer than 1week :)
Tbol is great on low carb diet, really helps to maintain muscle and burn fat at the same time.
I`ve been on dbol at 150mg a day for over a year. Some guys cant believe I still have a liver :) I dont think I train hard or eat right, I dont have enough time for this at moment but I`m still prety big and stronger than ever :)


What happened to the good old russian 5mg dbol in those blister packs?
 
Ret is a good guy, straight talking and not an ass kisser - thats why some try and give him grief!! He does not join in the elite "how far can I shove my tongue up your arse crew" that always end up with egg on their faces because their good bros often turn out to not be as solid as they once thought!
 
ForumObserver said:
What happened to the good old russian 5mg dbol in those blister packs?
They stopped making them. There were 2 companies making them Bioreactor they went out of business and Akrihin not sure what happen to them. Ret would know.
 
mookie said:
They stopped making them. There were 2 companies making them Bioreactor they went out of business and Akrihin not sure what happen to them. Ret would know.


Thats why I was asking. As I have said before its been awhile since I have used gear or been in the scene. But the first dbol I ever used was Akrihin and I LOVED it...
 
Nice to have bros here like Ret,Galaxy and Quad. I like having people on here that take as much shit as me! LOL They are all straight shooters which is rare on the net.

Thanks guys Plex1500
 
ForumObserver said:
Thats why I was asking. As I have said before its been awhile since I have used gear or been in the scene. But the first dbol I ever used was Akrihin and I LOVED it...
They were the best. Naps are the best out there right now.
 
ur2insecure said:
Ret gets the big thumbs up from me.

He is a big asset to this site and has probably forgotten more than i know.


ret is definetly a good bro...and i find him funny as hell!!!!

:elephant:


ps wasnt he banned...sorry couldnt resist... :chomp:
 
the most ive done is 80mg ed of dbol....was great....dbol is hit and miss for me i think sometimes i like it sometimes i dont..wierd
 
Retabolil2 said:
If you`re bulking up then forget about Tbol! Its nowhere close to Dbol! Ulter is absolutely correct and I agree with him 100%, it gives you great feeling of well being. I love BD Methanabol-50, gives me great strength gains and nose bleedings :) Sometimes I squat and bleeding at the same time :) Naposim is different doesnt bloat me up, no high BP and still gives good gains but nowhere close to BD Meth50 which reminds me old good russian dbol which was absolutely best for mass/strength gains to me. Thats why I dont use BD meth longer than 1week :)
Tbol is great on low carb diet, really helps to maintain muscle and burn fat at the same time.
I`ve been on dbol at 150mg a day for over a year. Some guys cant believe I still have a liver :) I dont think I train hard or eat right, I dont have enough time for this at moment but I`m still prety big and stronger than ever :)

Wow, 150mg a day for over a year! I would guess youre stacking it with other things too, thats a no brainer. I cant see how you run it so high, I feel like I am going to explode at 50mg a day. Your experience goes to show that some of the dangers of steriods are really overblown. So I guess you gave up on PCT a long time ago? I am thinking about going that route too.
 
Retabolil2 said:
Since I got banned for the posts I made regarding DBBT, I`ll let him reply to your questions. As soon as I log out I wont be able to login anymore.


This wasn't resolved? WTF? :mad:
 
galaxy said:
I hope this is a joke. ...........maybe i should just start doing tbol and primo cycles. I swear to fucking god...........how can anyone who associated with satch, indy and Radar get you banned i have no idea..........if this is true ill be the first to sign the petition to get you back.

I must have missed something...Radar? Thought he was a good bro, satch i know about, but Radar?

About the loefflers.....never felt calf pumps till i went to 75-100mg Ed dbol, then i got them walking up stairs, pretty cool.
 
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