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MichaelScott

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Do you know what happens to the test after it is injected into the muscle? Does it sit there for a period of time before being absorbed or does it migrate to other areas of the body? Part II why does it take 5-6 weeks to see the full effect kick in?
 
hstern said:
Do you know what happens to the test after it is injected into the muscle? Does it sit there for a period of time before being absorbed or does it migrate to other areas of the body? Part II why does it take 5-6 weeks to see the full effect kick in?
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#1: It enters the bloodstream.

#2: It does not take 5-6 weeks. This is something I've poined out many times. It takes just a few hours before you're in an anabolic environment. Of course, you won't see results right away, but the test has "kicked in" right from the start. (It's actually pretty stupid to think a drug would sit around and not do anything until you administer it a few times).

Personally, I've always noticed the effects within a week.

I also believe cycles should be kept to only 6 weeks since it's after that amount of time that's when the majority of side effects take place and supression increases and becomes more difficult to reverse.
 
ty i was just curious since it is supposed to be injected so deep i wasnt sure about it going into the blood, i am a little curious about his recommendation of only a 6 week cycle
 
hstern said:
ty i was just curious since it is supposed to be injected so deep i wasnt sure about it going into the blood, i am a little curious about his recommendation of only a 6 week cycle
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Once it's in the muscle, it's in the bloodstream. An injection just needs to be deep enough to penetrate a muscle. 1" is usually enough.

I won't get into down regulation and up regulation of receptors and all that stuff. It's a simple law of nature -- the more you use something, the more the body will develop a tolerance to it. Guys say they don't see results for 6 weeks. That tells me they haven't been training hard enough or eating enough. The BEST results, in terms of muscle growth is the 2-5 weeks period when the influx is fresh and the body goes into hyperdrive retaining nitrogen. But after a while it catches on and the process wanes somewhat. However, water retention will continue to build which makes people think they're REALLY growing by week 8 but most of that is lost. All you're doing at that point is supressing yourself further.

Naturally, if you're looking to be jacked as often as possible none of this matters. It's a hell of a lot of fun to just be roided out to the max. But if you want to use gear to enhance your training with minimal side effects, slow steady intermittant cycles, coupled with proper training, diet and supplementation is the way to go.
 
thanks nelson, makes sense, im only on a 300 mg dose right now so i have no where to go but up, is there anywhere i can read up on this receptor stuff, i was looking for all that scientific mumbo jumbo
 
hstern said:
thanks nelson, makes sense, im only on a 300 mg dose right now so i have no where to go but up, is there anywhere i can read up on this receptor stuff, i was looking for all that scientific mumbo jumbo
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For that type of stuff, Anthony's book is the best there is.
 
What do you think Nelson about the possibility of injecting too deep. I have 1.5 pins and do quad injects with them too, but trying to only go in about 1 inch. Right after a boldenone undeclynate injection I felt in the knee area about 2 inches back from the kneecap. That spot has stayed sore for three weeks. Is it possible to get too deep and have it collect around a joint or certain area and not disperse? It is definitely on the tendon area above the kneecap. It's really strange. I figured it would eventually go away.

Nelson Montana said:
#1: It enters the bloodstream.

#2: It does not take 5-6 weeks. This is something I've poined out many times. It takes just a few hours before you're in an anabolic environment. Of course, you won't see results right away, but the test has "kicked in" right from the start. (It's actually pretty stupid to think a drug would sit around and not do anything until you administer it a few times).

Personally, I've always noticed the effects within a week.

I also believe cycles should be kept to only 6 weeks since it's after that amount of time that's when the majority of side effects take place and supression increases and becomes more difficult to reverse.
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thats what i was wondering about too, how bad would it feel to hit the joint? i think i hit a vein yesterday and it did not feel good at all
 
Nelson Montana said:
#1: It enters the bloodstream.

#2: It does not take 5-6 weeks. This is something I've poined out many times. It takes just a few hours before you're in an anabolic environment. Of course, you won't see results right away, but the test has "kicked in" right from the start. (It's actually pretty stupid to think a drug would sit around and not do anything until you administer it a few times).

Personally, I've always noticed the effects within a week.

I also believe cycles should be kept to only 6 weeks since it's after that amount of time that's when the majority of side effects take place and supression increases and becomes more difficult to reverse.
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still say only 6 weeks if ur taking EQ?
 
instant.muscle said:
still say only 6 weeks if ur taking Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - ?
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Why not?

As for injecting too deep -- it's a possibility to hit a tendon if you inject excessively deep in the quad, but it will still be inside you. Interesting question. Again, you never see doctors injecting into a quad. There's a reason for that.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Why not?

As for injecting too deep -- it's a possibility to hit a tendon if you inject excessively deep in the quad, but it will still be inside you. Interesting question. Again, you never see doctors injecting into a quad. There's a reason for that.
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doctors dont do a lot of injections for giving meds. we do it. we go in the quads all the time. We just choose the glutes because it is the meatiest part of the body on most people. When you give you frequent injections you have to rotate so the thigh is a great alternate route as is the delt. it is hard to pass all the way through tthe muscle with in 1.5 in needle. just my 2 cc
 
As far as medications taking a while to build up in the system before you see effects is very true. let me first say i am no steroid guru or even a knowledgeable person hell I cant ever spell half the time. LOL There are several medications that take 2-3 weeks to work some take 3 days and you have to take other meds to help kickstart abd get you therapeutic.

Zoloft takes 2-3 wekks to build up and 2-3 weeks to get out
prozac the same
Coumadin takes 3 days to get you pt/inr to a therapeutic level so you have to kick start with weight based lovenox until coumadin takes effect.

what makes test different if they have long acting esters. i do agree that as soon as you take your first injection you must start training hard hell you should be training way before you ever stick and try nautral stuff. nelson has some good shit. Check out his site.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Ever see "Pulp Fiction"?
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"I have to stab her three times?"
"No you don't have to stab her three times." "You just have to get through the breast plate."
 
errn247 said:
As far as medications taking a while to build up in the system before you see effects is very true. let me first say i am no steroid guru or even a knowledgeable person hell I cant ever spell half the time. LOL There are several medications that take 2-3 weeks to work some take 3 days and you have to take other meds to help kickstart abd get you therapeutic.

Zoloft takes 2-3 wekks to build up and 2-3 weeks to get out
prozac the same
Coumadin takes 3 days to get you pt/inr to a therapeutic level so you have to kick start with weight based lovenox until coumadin takes effect.

what makes test different if they have long acting esters. i do agree that as soon as you take your first injection you must start training hard hell you should be training way before you ever stick and try nautral stuff. nelson has some good shit. Check out his site.
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Yes, there is a build up, but two things -- one; even after one injection your T level could go over 1000 within an hour. And 2, the half life is only two weeks so you usually only have 2 weeks worth in you at any given time. When you're on week 4, whatever you took a month ago is pretty much gone.

Zoloft works with brain chemistry and even then, they say it takes weeks to "stabilize." Meanwhile, in ER, if someone were freaking out they'd give them Atavin which works in minutes.
 
Bump for 6 week cycle

Also I have hit tendon, and hit bone. Tendon hurts for weeks. Hitting bone is like nails on a chalk board, rattles you to the core, but goes away immediately.
 
hard2handle said:
Bump for 6 week cycle

Also I have hit tendon, and hit bone. Tendon hurts for weeks. Hitting bone is like nails on a chalk board, rattles you to the core, but goes away immediately.
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Eeeks. I shudder to think about it. Why not glute shots bro?
 
Nelson Montana said:
#1: It enters the bloodstream.

#2: It does not take 5-6 weeks. This is something I've poined out many times. It takes just a few hours before you're in an anabolic environment. Of course, you won't see results right away, but the test has "kicked in" right from the start. (It's actually pretty stupid to think a drug would sit around and not do anything until you administer it a few times).

Personally, I've always noticed the effects within a week.

I also believe cycles should be kept to only 6 weeks since it's after that amount of time that's when the majority of side effects take place and supression increases and becomes more difficult to reverse.
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Do you think it would be ok to do a longer cycle say, 20 weeks, keeping 500 mg test e as the base but swiching the stacked compounds every 5 weeks, just so your body doesnt get overly used to the compounds? And what if you just took some HCG a when you notice your testies shrinking and the natty production is halted?
 
noclue9415 said:
Do you think it would be ok to do a longer cycle say, 20 weeks, keeping 500 mg testosterone enanthate as the base but swiching the stacked compounds every 5 weeks, just so your body doesnt get overly used to the compounds? And what if you just took some HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - a when you notice your testies shrinking and the natty production is halted?
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I've addressed this before. That's like saying "is it okay if I get drunk every night if I drink something different each time? "

H C G may prevent the testes from shrinking but that has nothing to do with supression.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Yes, there is a build up, but two things -- one; even after one injection your T level could go over 1000 within an hour. And 2, the half life is only two weeks so you usually only have 2 weeks worth in you at any given time. When you're on week 4, whatever you took a month ago is pretty much gone.

Zoloft works with brain chemistry and even then, they say it takes weeks to "stabilize." Meanwhile, in ER, if someone were freaking out they'd give them Atavin which works in minutes.
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true. we give ativanand many other drugs. I wish we could invent an ativan mist to have sprayed in the ER lobby AC vents to calm those mofos down. like I said I am not a steroid guru and I respect your input on a lot of things.
 
I noticed a major plateau in my gains last cycle around week 10. Weeks 10-14 I virtually stopped gaining, despite intense training and diet. Makes sense.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I've addressed this before. That's like saying "is it okay if I get drunk every night if I drink something different each time? "


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Similar to when certain people here suggest alternating Clen and ECA, even though they work on the same receptors. I saw that one only a few weeks ago.
 
ok

nelson is absolutely correct in that, the hormone will become active in the bloodstream almost immediately after a shot, and the concentration levels in the bloodstream will decrease from that point (or until the next injection)

anthony you can probably elaborate on this some more but this is approximately what happens

when you inject a long ester what happens? well it goes something like this

at the injection site the oil forms a depot (or deposit). the long duration of the active hormone being released depends on two things. the size of the depot and the ester used to bind the raw steroid. as the depot slowly dissolves the estericized steroid molecule is exposed to the enzymes of the body which will cleave the ester from the steroid. at that point the raw steroid is "released" and picked up into the bloodstream. the actual half-life of a raw steroid once in the bloodstream is short - measured in minutes. however due to the depots gradually release and the ester cleavage process results in a half-life specific to the ester vs. the actual hormone. the size of the depot will also come into play. the larger the depot (the more oil injected at the site) this will also extend the release (the exposure of the esterized steroid to the bodily enzymes) to some extent.

the creation of the depot as part of this proces is is why you inject IM vs. IV (or subcutaneous)
 
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