Question for boxers...

[tad69]

OWNED!

 

[MikeK]

Please don't post "credentials" to justify your misguided theories.

I've been doing "this" for 22 years. Yes, I have read some of Bruce Lee's "stuff"...all of it actually. I've also trained with Dan Inosanto and Paul Vunak if you want to talk about knowledge of Jeet Kune Do(not "keen do"){it seems that someone training for 10 years would know how to spell this}. Mr. Lee's incorporation of boxing into Jun Fan has nothing to do with this topic.

My(as well as many of my students') best speed and power improvements have come from IRON.

If you think speed is not developed in the gym, you have wasted the last decade of your life.

Um, ive never said that i used any kind of martial art, because i havnt.... So, so sorry if i mispelled something.

Im pretty sure i didnt wast a decade of my life... I won the german boxing title for 2 years before i retired... I think that my methods work very well for me and others that i train. It worked pretty damn well. Unless my title and the 4 titles won by my students is a fluke, i think ill keep doing what im doing



oh, and i met and talked with Dan Inosanto sevral times when i was down in cali for a exhibition match with james match... his wife even invited me over for breakfast the next day, but i had a plane so there was no way i could make it... but very intresting man and very intresting ideas. His seem to differ allot from bruces though. even though jeet "kune" do isnt really a form, i would think he would hold pretty much all of the same ideas as bruce...

oh btw, even bruce didnt train for speed in the gym. He even said so himself. He had, what he called a "bodybuilding workout" and was about 8-10 reps... He got up to the 160's, he looked pretty bulky, but he stoped because he coudnt tuck hes elbows quickly like he used to be able too. He trained for speed by pratice. He would pratice a side kick in his back yard with dan, for hours and hours. thats where he developed his speed and therefor, his power.

Alot of speed has very little to do with the muscles. If you have to think about a jab, do you think it will be very fast? Its more about your mind, and pretty much getting something down to instint by pratice. But sence youve studied bruce's work, you would know this

 

[MikeK]

oh wait, Im looking threw one of my books and i see that i was wrong about the reps, heres his routine...

clean and presses 2 x 8
squats 2 x 12
barbell pullovers 2 x 8
bench presses 2 x 6
good mornings 2 x 8
barbell curls 2 x 8

According to 1996 article from Iron Man, Bruce Lee utilized an weight lifting schedule on an every other day basis to allow for recovery. Lee coordinated his bodybuilding workouts so they fell on days when he wasn't engaged in either endurance-enhancing or overly strenuous martial arts training. He increased his body weight from 135 pounds to 165

he looked pretty good bulky if you ask me, he had awsome detail.

Oh and do you know who he asked to help him make that workout routine? Two of his long time bb freinds at his gym.

so man, i guess bruce lee really didnt know anything about speed, he must have just looked quick or something, i dont understand it myself, but im sure you would know

 

[Dustin85]

1. find a coach...learn proper technique and timing

2. squat, clean or snatch, push press, push jerk...

 

[Lord_Suston]

A)come to NY and box me here
B) go to Texas and Box Warpath
C) go to the westcoast and box Thaibox

D) find a good trainer and spar at least 2-3 times a week and work on footwork.

P.S. true fighters are not made but refined

 

[Thaibox]

so man, i guess bruce lee really didnt know anything about speed, he must have just looked quick or something, i dont understand it myself, but im sure you would know

hmm...
Regardless of the problems I have with your theories, you sound like a nice guy. So, I want to back off for a second to address the fact that no disrespect should be exchanged here, only ideas.

Excuse me if I'm inarticulate, its been a bad back day and many vicodin are clouding my mind a bit.

The sarcasm in your preceeding quote is wasted since I never once said anything negative about Bruce's speed. Mr. Lee was a lighting bolt, and to say otherwise is plain retarded. There is however a difference between speed, power, and explosiveness. There is yet another problem when the application of any of the aforementioned into combat(or simply a punch) is discussed. The distinction would require a whole new thread.

After all this crap on this thread, my point is that speed and explosiveness can be developed with heavy resistance far beyond that which can be developed in the dojo, or ring. A simple understanding of human physiology and physics should show you this.
Too tired to continue thinking. I'm hope you get my point.

 

[MikeK]

hmm...
Regardless of the problems I have with your theories, you sound like a nice guy. So, I want to back off for a second to address the fact that no disrespect should be exchanged here, only ideas.

Excuse me if I'm inarticulate, its been a bad back day and many vicodin are clouding my mind a bit.

The sarcasm in your preceeding quote is wasted since I never once said anything negative about Bruce's speed. Mr. Lee was a lighting bolt, and to say otherwise is plain retarded. There is however a difference between speed, power, and explosiveness. There is yet another problem when the application of any of the aforementioned into combat(or simply a punch) is discussed. The distinction would require a whole new thread.

After all this crap on this thread, my point is that speed and explosiveness can be developed with heavy resistance far beyond that which can be developed in the dojo, or ring. A simple understanding of human physiology and physics should show you this.
Too tired to continue thinking. I'm hope you get my point.

Have to give my apologies about that, your right. I have the habbit of being a bit short sometimes...

My hole point with the bruce lee thing, is that you can develop power, speed and explosivness with a "normal weight lifting" program, ive seen too many people go into complicated weight lifting routines, witch usualy end up in overtraining, trying to get speed and power, but nothing really beats pratice. With your first comment about not having a normal weight lifting routine, i thought you were against the type of program that bruce used. witch is why i was arguing... i think we had a bit of miscommunication.

 

[Lord_Suston]

MikeK: Bruce's weightlifting is good for his time, but in all reality we need to look at sports and fighting in a progressive fashion. Training like they did back in the 1950's would result in 1950 type athletes/fighters. Bruce had at his time a superior training methods (though I don't know why he took advice from BB on building strength). But now there are new systems to be used. The way people train evolves as well. Why no use these systems????

The greatest way to train to fight is to Fight IMO, you could be the greatest shadowboxer in the owrld but if you can't take a punch or start flinching or just aren't used to the rush of combat then you will not go very far...

 

[hellboy]

Gobus - don't worry so much about the power in your jab. Just make it fast. You're mostly gonna be using it to manipulate your opponents guard.

As for lifting - do whatever you like - just make sure you include squats, and don't lift so much that it interferes with your fighting training. If you are going to be getting in the ring then weightlifting should be a secondary issue and fighting skills should be your primary.

The best advice - get a good coach and do what he says.

 

[PolishHammer1977]

First let me say that I am not a boxer and I do not want to be a boxer.

I do know how to throw and land a punch. I learned by fighting.