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question bout Methyl-D..

gjohnson5 said:
But yes he needs to read about supplementation. He needs to read about pct and testicular atrophy. The philosophy is , "if you're gonna do it , why not make it easy" He's already bought the drugs so he will take them.
There is no doubt that you should read everythign there is to know about supplements, side affects, internal affects, stacking ideas, post cycles, etc...but I think that the push should be that people do the research BEFORE they purchase. I understand this guy already bought it, but my intention was to just let him know that you should do more research next time before you buy.

gjohnson5 said:
Yes listen to what they say because it will help you

and did this mean to listen to the guy at GNC? cuz, again this is just MO but if that is what you are relying on, then you havnt done enough research yet!

Peace
 
TRUEsoldier said:
There is no doubt that you should read everythign there is to know about supplements, side affects, internal affects, stacking ideas, post cycles, etc...but I think that the push should be that people do the research BEFORE they purchase. I understand this guy already bought it, but my intention was to just let him know that you should do more research next time before you buy.



and did this mean to listen to the guy at GNC? cuz, again this is just MO but if that is what you are relying on, then you havnt done enough research yet!

Peace

No I meant the 3 of us telling him what to do. The GNC guy was just trying to make a sale.

Absolutely. More research on his part. Search the forums. There's a ton of talk about methyl-d on these boards.
 
thanks for all the help guys..
sorry about the attitude too.. i been going through some family problems so been pissed off most of the time, n i always let it out on other people. my bad..

and to truesoldier's question.. i'm 19, i been working out since june of 2003..
supplement experience? umm well i have only taken protein and creatine for all this time i been working out so far.. like i said before, i'd bought the Methyl-D on saturday when i went to buy Animal Stak n the guy at GNC told me that Methyl-D was better. I had read about Animal Stak on their website and the Manual that they sent me.
 
Skulls said:
thanks for all the help guys..
sorry about the attitude too.. i been going through some family problems so been pissed off most of the time, n i always let it out on other people. my bad..

and to truesoldier's question.. i'm 19, i been working out since june of 2003..
supplement experience? umm well i have only taken protein and creatine for all this time i been working out so far.. like i said before, i'd bought the Methyl-D on saturday when i went to buy Animal Stak n the guy at GNC told me that Methyl-D was better. I had read about Animal Stak on their website and the Manual that they sent me.

Wow 19 , huh. I can remember when I was 19. Well what you bought causes you nuts to shrink. it'll definitly hurt ya game. Then again you prolly don't get any anyway :-)

But yes do your research before you take that. You haven't been in the game long enough. at 19 , you should be able to make gains without supps. Atleast I was. I workout from 7th grade all the way through college and a few years on the job before I bought supplement number 1
 
m-dien
3-6mg daily
methly attachment makes it liver toxic
need liver supps, pct
diet better in check and solid training program or you will be part of the group that claims they dont do anyhting

my suggestion
surpluss them, keep em around until you are ready for em
after puttin in solid time in the gym and getting your diet straight
@ 19 you dont really need it yet, squats and deads will jump your homone levels better than a sup right now...
 
ive just started on my mine, im taking 3 tabs about 2 hours before i train with food. stacking them with m1t, so far so good. up 2 lb since friday, hungry as hell
 
Hey, thanks to all of you guys for backing me up.

My whole point was that asking questions is not the same thing as researching. The product that you are inevitably going to take regardless of what advice you receive from any of the members here, can have considerable side effects. The guy at GNC (as mentioned eariler) is trying to make a sale. He is not interested in your health or future well being. All PH are soon going to be banned and classified as CIII controlled substances. Any retailer is going to push these items to sell before the ban so that they can liquidate thier inventory, before it has to be destroyed.

The important things you need to understand are:
1. What adding endogenous hormones will do to your body. (altering Hypothalmic Pituitary Testicular Axis or HPTA)
2. What adding endogenous hormones can do to your body. (side effects including; testicular atrophy, surpressed libido, lethargy, acne, increased agression, depression, etc.)
3. What taking a methylated androgen will do to your liver. (hepatic toxicity)
4. What you will need to do after you stop taking androgens (Post Cycle Therapy or PCT)
5. How to properly design a cycle (dosage, length, stacking, goals and what to expect)

If you do not understand any of the terms I've used in the statements above, this just reinforces the fact that you are not ready and need to learn more. I will try to post a couple of links to get you started, but there is a lot to learn. DO NOT RUSH INTO THIS!!

Keep in mind that I do not know you, I don't really care what you do, or don't do. You are going to do what you want regardless of what I say, I'm just trying to offer some advice so you don't end up impotent, crying in a corner somewhere with nuts the size of raisins.
 
Teenagers and Prohormones/Steroids .

Health Risks

When you are under 21, your endocrine system is still developing. This should be obvious as you are still going through the end of puberty, getting acne, etc. During this time peroid, supplementing with extrogenous hormones is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. There is potential for very serious and long term side effects to occur. I hear all the time some of these people saying that "I've stopped growing, so it's okay". No - it's not okay. There are many other potential side effects besides growth plates. Here is a list of a few.

1) Premature closing of growth plates. This one is the most known about. Even if you think you have stopped growing, there still is a potential for height increase over time. I have known people who are 18+ who have continued to grow in height. Scientists know that growth plates don't fuse completely in some cases until individuals are past 22. Don't be deterred just because you haven't grown taller in awhile.

2) Impotence. Supplementing with hormones while you are still growing can potentially cause PERMANENT impotence and fertility issues in teenagers. When you add testosterone, estrogen and a wealth of other synthetic androgens to your body it can cause problems with your normal testicular growth and function. Remember, some of these effects are more than just temporary.

3) Liver/Kidney Problems. I hear all the time teenagers say "Well my friends used it and they got big and nothing happened to them." Really? How do you know? Have they been to a doctor and had their liver and kidney values checked? I doubt it. Just because a person looks okay on the outside, doesn't mean that they could have a host of problems on the inside. Liver and kidney damage is nothing short of serious. This can occur even in people who are past their teen years.

4) Gyno or "bitch tits". I believe this using androgens in teens can really increase the risk of gyno. Gyno has been known to happen naturally in many teenagers because of already fluxating hormones. When you add more hormones to the mix, you dramatically increase the problems. Remember that once you have gyno, its very hard to get rid of unless you take the proper precautions up front.

5) Hair loss/acne/prostate aggrevation, etc. All of these can be increased and agrevated with external androgen use. Have you ever seen a 20 year old going bald? It's not pretty. Don't think it can't happen to you.

6) Brain function. It is well known that hormones play a role in development of cognative brain function. Adding external hormones when your brain is still developing could be a disaster waiting to happen. How can you now many years down the road there won't be problems?

Psychological Problems

Being a teenager can be difficult as it is. Getting used to your own body image can be hard if you feel you're different than everyone else. Many teenagers turn to bodybuilding to help improve that image, and that can be a very healthy thing. However, when a teenager becomes obsessed or is only after short term goals of getting ripped in 6 weeks then it can be a very serious problem when prohormones/steroids get in the mix.

1) Abuse. There is a high potential for abuse when individuals turn to prohormones/steroids when they aren't mature enough to handle them. Most of these individuals had these substances recommended to them by friends with erroneous data presented to them on how to use them and how they work. I have seen teenagers on this board claim to never come off cycles of Mag-10 and 1AD. There is no reason to abuse your body like that. Never coming off hormones can have even greater risks than using them for the short term, such as halting normal hormone production permantely. If you have a problem and want to discuss it with us, please post it.

Legal Problems

Using steroids and prohormones underage can have very obvious legal implications. Since all prohormones have labels on them indicated that they are not for use for individuals under 18, you take into liability not only yourself and your family, but risk liability on the manufacturer and seller who sold these substances to you. By doing this, you are hurting the community who use these substances responsibly. Take responsibility for yourself and stay away from these. Causing harm to yourself is one thing, but everytime a teenager uses prohormones, the potential for them being banned increases. Here are some other problems

1) Drug testing. If you are a teenager playing sports, using steroids and prohormones can seem like a good idea to increase your performance. How would it look if you suddenly got tested for them? Being tested for prohormones WILL SHOW UP AS STEROIDS. You will have no recourse for this, and could potentially find yourself being investigated by the authorities.

2) Purchasing steroids is already illegal, but purchasing prohormones can have implications as well. As I already said, on all bottles of prohormones there is a label saying "Not for use for individuals under 18". That is not just printed on there as a joke, that is on there for a reason. If you bought these substances underage and then got into trouble or had one of the side effects listed above from taking these, what do you think your parents are going to do? They are probably going to sue the manufacturer, sue the seller, and possibly contact their congressmen demanding these substances be banned. You just screwed everyone because you were in a hurry to get some quick muscle. Take into consideration the rest of us before you make your irresponsible purchases.

Please read this over and think about what your goals are a long time before you decide to take your health into jeopardy and risk legal repercussions by using prohormones and steroids as a teenager. You not only endanger yourself, but all of us who want to or may want to use prohormones one day. We all want to have good gains and have pefect bodies, thats why we're here. But rushing into things and abusing susbstances is not the answer. There is absolutely no justification for teenagers to use prohormones or steroids. None. So, before you decide to use them - please take some time out, and make a post describing your training, diet and supplemenation. I know that me and the other members of the board would be more than happy to help you make some changes to your diet and training to help gain naturally, without the use of androgens. Doing this, you will save us all a a lot of grief.
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Understanding Post Cycle “T” Recovery
by William Llewellyn
http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php?issueID=7&pageID=77



Inhibition of Natural Testosterone through Negative Feedback

Introducing an exogenous steroid hormone into the body will initially, through a mechanism called negative feedback, stop the natural production of the hormone testosterone. Negative feedback is a loop mechanism. Testosterone is secreted by the hypothalamus which releases Gondatropin releasing hormone (GhRH) which stimulates the release of Luteinizing hormone (LH or Gonadotropin) from the anterior pituitary. In the testes LH will signal the manufacture of Dehydro-epiandrosterone (DHEA) from cholesterol in the Leydig Cells. DHEA converts to androstenedione and eventually testosterone. When the need for testosterone is satisfied the testosterone will signal the hypothalamus and secretion is stopped. Introducing these substances directly will give that same signal that stops production. Why is this bad? Because the manufacture of DHEA in the gonads is halted and they fall into disuse. This causes testicle shrinkage and in the long run can be responsible for infertility, loss of libido and even impotence. This problem is addressed by the term cycling. By going on a hormone for a while and then staying off of it for a similar or longer period, we give natural production a chance to recover. Minor shrinkage can take place but should disappear after a few weeks of disuse. This brings with it a few conclusions:

A. The product should always be cycled, prolonged or continued use may cause more lasting damage.

B. The time you are off the supplement should be adequate, at least as long but preferably longer than the amount of time you were on it. If this rule is not observed, the testes may not get a chance to recover adequately and the cumulative effect of two close cycles may result in similar problems.
 
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