Question about orals

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This is something I dont understand. Why is it NOT ok to do 10 weeks of D-Bol at a low dose like 10-20mg but, it is ok to do 4 weeks of D-Bol at 30-50mg followed by 6 weeks of Winny at 50mg ED. Isnt that 10 weeks on 17-AA? It just seems it would be safer to do the D-Bol at a low dose rather than D-Bol and Winny at a much higher dose. Somebody clarify this for me.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

In regard to liver toxicity, it's not worse to be on that low of D-Bol for that amount of time compared to the other scenario that you mentioned. In fact in that dose, which is pretty damn low for D-Bol, I wouldn't be worried about anything. The problem with doing D-Bol by itself is that you'll most likely lose about half of the weight that you gain 2-3 months after the cycle, b/c it's a lot of water retention. There's nothing wrong with doing D-Bol by itself though. My first cycle was a 6 week cycle of D-Bol only and I gained 25 pounds. I was taking up to 30mg per day and had no side effects other than excess water weight. The good thing about the water weight though was that it helped with strength tremendously. Hell, at the time I was training my chest twice a week and when it was BP time, I was able to add weight to the workout at each workout. I was 18 and before doing that 1st cycle, my bench press was 245lbs max and after the D-Bol only cylce.....I increased it to 305lbs. (a 60lb. increase in BP on a D-Bol only cycle). After the cylce I was able to maintain 15 of the 25lbs gained, and that's expected b/c I'm sure that I was carrying at least 10lbs of water.

Oral only....no good....I don't think so!

You can't listen to what everyone else says, b/c lot's of gullible people only go on what others say, they're afraid to try things on their own which is sad.

Also, in regard to toxicity, nobody really knows whether D-Bol is harder than Winny on the liver or easier. I think that they are pretty close on an equivalent mg per mg basis. See, most people don't run their Winny tabs as high as D-Bol b/c the Winny is used as a secondary drug in stacks and D-Bol most often is used as a primary drug or a high secondary drug in stacks.

I might have gotten off-track in answering your question, I'm sorry, but who says that it's not OK to do 20mg ED D-Bol for 10 weeks? That could be a very good cycle for someone that is starting out or still building a basic foundation.

 

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Thanks for the awesome reply! Karma for you!

I did'nt mean to run the D-Bol by itself though. I just thought it would make sense to use the D-Bol all way through a mass cycle. Maybe with a cycle of Test\EQ the extra strength would help build a little more muscle. It just seems there should be more of a use for D-Bol than just jump starting cycles. I'm just curious, would D-Bol at 20mg really add that much much water weight anyway?

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Thanks for the awesome reply! Karma for you!

I did'nt mean to run the D-Bol by itself though. I just thought it would make sense to use the D-Bol all way through a mass cycle. Maybe with a cycle of Test\EQ the extra strength would help build a little more muscle. It just seems there should be more of a use for D-Bol than just jump starting cycles. I'm just curious, would D-Bol at 20mg really add that much much water weight anyway?

just use arimidex or femara all the way through and you should be fine with dbol the whole while. why not? i was thinking the same thing....running the dbol for 10 weeks with sust/EQ. i think everyone gets caught up in the whole "this is how you do it and that is that". narrowminded. so try it out and see what happens. i think i may too.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

Exactly, everyone's different and just b/c someone reacts one way doesn't mean that your body will react the same way. Trial & Error is mandatory in bodybuilding!

I agree with Warbird about the Arimidex. I've never used it myself, but if water retention is a concern, then you may opt for Arimidex. It's pretty powerful stuff though and I don't know if you'd really need it if you're only going to be taking 20mg D-Bol ED along with the Test and Equipoise. I'm no expert on Arimidex though, sorry bro, you might want to look into that. IMO, with the given cycle that you mentioned, I wouldn't be concerned about too much water weight unless your body tends to bloat up very easily.

NN

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Exactly, everyone's different and just b/c someone reacts one way doesn't mean that your body will react the same way. Trial & Error is mandatory in bodybuilding!

I agree with Warbird about the Arimidex. I've never used it myself, but if water retention is a concern, then you may opt for Arimidex. It's pretty powerful stuff though and I don't know if you'd really need it if you're only going to be taking 20mg D-Bol ED along with the Test and Equipoise. I'm no expert on Arimidex though, sorry bro, you might want to look into that. IMO, with the given cycle that you mentioned, I wouldn't be concerned about too much water weight unless your body tends to bloat up very easily.

NN

i think the arimidex worked well for me. i was taking 35mg of dbol over a 5 week period.......and i didn't bloat at all with .5 arimdex EOD. actually got complimented that i added tons of size while maintaining condition. then i hit the winny half of the cycle, and increased calories too much for winny alone, and put on fat while on the winny not the dbol. lol. i will always use arimidex/proviron/femara during any cycle....i am too gyno prone not too.

 

[Realgains]

This is something I dont understand. Why is it NOT ok to do 10 weeks of D-Bol at a low dose like 10-20mg but, it is ok to do 4 weeks of D-Bol at 30-50mg followed by 6 weeks of Winny at 50mg ED. Isnt that 10 weeks on 17-AA? It just seems it would be safer to do the D-Bol at a low dose rather than D-Bol and Winny at a much higher dose. Somebody clarify this for me.

I would not do 10 weeks of any 17aa roid at 10-20mg per week. Your liver enzymes will definately go up with this dose of d-bol but may not get too out of hand at the low dose........you must follow yourself with blood work to find out.
Anyone who does 4 weeks of dbol at 30-50 and then stops the d-bol and does winny for another 4 weeks doesn't have a F-ing clue and is an idiot.

RG

 

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You're right Realgains. But it just seems like it's common practice to use D-Bol to jumpstart and and Winny at the end. I just cant see how thats safe.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

Re: Re: Question about orals

I would not do 10 weeks of any 17aa roid at 10-20mg per week.
RG

I wouldn't either, Mr. 0-gains, at 10-20mg PER WEEK, you would have to be an idiot, because you wouldn't be taking enough to do a damn thing for you! Hell, I'd let my Grandma do that pussy dose.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Re: Re: Question about orals

I would not do 10 weeks of any 17aa roid at 10-20mg per week. Your liver enzymes will definately go up with this dose of d-bol but may not get too out of hand at the low dose........you must follow yourself with blood work to find out.
Anyone who does 4 weeks of dbol at 30-50 and then stops the d-bol and does winny for another 4 weeks doesn't have a F-ing clue and is an idiot.

RG

Ok. i guess i am a fucking idiot then. i am fit as a fiddle and have done dbol/winny 5 weeks back to back with 1 week overlap. also have done anavar 12 weeks and winny 4 final weeks. don't put your narrowminded approach down on others just because you feel you are the god of the board and are always correct. EVERYBODY IS FUCKING DIFFERENT FOR CHRISTS SAKES! are you that stupid to think everyone reacts the same to orals? seems you are the one without a clue on this subject.