dbol converts to estrogen at one of the highest rates of any steroid, aside from MENT... tbol is often called dbols baby brother but you take away all the water and estrogen from dbol and they are damn near the same... you will get more strength with dbol but not to the point of CRAZY significance... dbol does bring on a feeling of euphoria that is noted by many that you likely wont feel with tbol but in terms of side effects and overall keepability, tbol is the better option for most.