Q's for the Docs and Experienced

[bigbair]

Bear with me hear guys, I'm kinda freaked out. I finished my last cycle on August 1 and am finishing PCT. My balls have yet to rebound from this cycle and it was only 500mg enath for 6wks and 25 mg dbol for 4wks. Pretty basic. I used HCG 1x week throughout the six weeks and maintained size and they hung like normal. But they've drawn up since my PCT and I've even tried some small doses of HCG since then (1000iu to 500iu) with no luck.

To make matters worse, I'm dealing with a strange pain in my left nut. It's like a constant, nagging discomfort. Feels like someone squeezing my nut. I need some recommendations from you guys. This is something that's easy to read and laugh at, but I ain't laughin'. I'm a little freaked.

So what to do...shut up and deal with it, it'll subside? or get to see a Doc pronto? If so, what the hell do I say? Or should I run higher doses of HCG?

God bless the man that can give me some insight as to whats going on and what I should do.

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

hmmm.... what type of PCT did you run besides the HCG ( i hope more than just hcg ).
It sounds like your test level is low now because you are still shut down. Perhaps the testes which have suffered atropy are now working overtime to try to produce more test but they cant handle it. Just a guess though.

Please post your PCT

 

[Bobby (Love-Scent)]

Wasn't there a study that demonstrated LH desensitizing with repeated or large dose HCG use?

First, it is always best to see a physician.

I would say hammer nolva 40 mg ED for at least a few more weeks. It may take a bit more to get your HTP axis balanced.

In the future, either go a full 8-10 or don't cycle at all. 6 weeks is just enough time to suppress and not enough time to make serious gains. Also, hit the HCG at the end to kick start your recovery.

Bobby

 

[bw1]

Bloodwork

 

[yomama]

Bloodwork

I second that, bloodwork!

 

[bigbair]

Thanks for the feedback. Sorry for the delay in posting my PCT but I'm moving today and I HATE F@cking moving.

PCT consisted of Protein Factory's Unleashed and Post Cycle, the usual regimend of clomid 300/100/50 over 21 days, and A-dex 3x wk for 1 wk and then 2x wk.

I've got some nolva on hand and will start that ASAP to see if that may straighten me out. Right now I'd eat dog shit if I thought it would get my nutz back in line.

As far as atrophy goes, the size seems about right, they just don't hang worth a shit. And the pain in my left nut isn't so much ON the ball itself is it is on the small portion that your ball seems to be linked to. I realize I'm opening myself up to some pretty swanky comments with the details, but guys I'm looking for HELP and want to know if any of you have delt with something similar.

So what if my test is more/less shut down? Will the nolva help get that back up? And should I continue the Clomid? HCG is about like pissing in the wind at this point. Although I will say that I don't think I've used enough HCG (never more than 1000 iu's in a weeks time) to desensitize myself.

As for the doc, my company is in the middle of switching insurance providers and they've asked us not to use our insurance unless its an emergency for the next week or two. So I'd either half to pay out of pocket or tell my boss why I really have to go to the doc.

Again, I REALLY appreciate you guys taking the time to give your .02. If you can suggest anything helpful I'd be more than appreciative. Thanks again.

 

[UA_Iron]

when did you start PCT in regards to your last shot?

 

[bigbair]

Exactly 2 weeks after my last shot of enath.

 

[genarr3]

When did you start your PCT in relation to your discontinuation of AAS?

Another round of PCT including HCG may be in order. I'd suggest getting all the details in order and posting on the PCT forum.

 

[UA_Iron]

Exactly 2 weeks after my last shot of enath.

ok, just wondering.

I agree with the blood tests. Something is definitely off.

 

[bigbair]

OK, so I go with the blood test. Just tell the doc that my left nut is hurting like a MOFO and I dont' know why? or tell him I'm lathargic, impotent (which I'm not), etc... to raise the suspicion of low test levels?

 

[bigbair]

OK guys, I've got to log off and get back to movin'. I'll check in early and see what advice, if any, is available for me. I appreciate and respect this board and the people who can offer me some suggestions. When its your health that's in question, everything gets put into perspective. I'll also start nolva tonight, It can't hurt. Thanks again to anyone who can post some advice in this matter.

Also, I posted the same plea in the PCT forum tonight. Thanks again

Bigbair

 

[Slyder190]

I'm stcuk on why you only ran enan for 6 weeks. i don't think you did your homework.

 

[bigbair]

I was originally planning on 8 wks, but some personal stuff came up and most of the stuff in my life was basically put on hold.

 

[bigbair]

Bobby,

just wanted to let you know that I took your advise and took 40mg nolva last night, with another 20mg this morning. My junk is feeling better, not entirely right, but much better. I think I'm gonna stick with 60mg nolva (20/ 3 x a day) for a few weeks and see what happens. I'll also continue the clomid. What do you think about HCG? should I be using it too?

 

[Bobby (Love-Scent)]

just stick with 40 mg ED for a few weeks then taper down to 20 mg for an additional week or so...

Also, nolva will make you shoot loads like Peter North but don't let that fool you into believing that you are completely recovered. Keep on the nolva for a few weeks and recover the right way.

Bobby

 

[bigbair]

Thanks bob.

 

[c gheller]

Ive had similar problems. Ive tried the Nolva only and Clomid only PCT, both with no result (bloodwork showed low lh and low test). This time i have some hcg on hand but not 100% sure on the best way to take it since there are many and varied opinions. Any advice would be much appreciated.