PVL for 30 days = CRAP

[ryker77]

I'm no newbe to this world and I know what is what.

With that said I have taken PVL Deca and EQ along with Testen 250 for the last 30+ days and have not gained anything.... Nor has my partner who is taking the PVL Deca alone. Neither of us even has any sides from this. I've used ttokkyo deca and eq with gains.

Now I know that having just came off a tren test cycle that I wouldn't gain much off of deca/eq/test. I did count on at least 1-2 pounds. Most people will say it takes a few weeks for both deca and EQ. But not a single good or bad effect in 30 days!

I could have eaten more perhaps. I am sure it was enough but one could always eat more if possible. My gym time was enough and effort was enough.

Planned on a every third day shot but I seemed to forget. Plus I went out of town for 3 days.
Day
02/10 Deca 300mgs EQ 400mgs
02/14 EQ 200mgs test 500mgs
02/17 Deca 300mgs EQ 400mgs
02/20 EQ 200mgs test 500mgs
02/24 Deca 300mgs EQ 400mgs
03/01 EQ 200mgs test 500mgs
03/04 Deca 300mgs EQ 400mgs
03/07 EQ 200mgs test 500mgs
03/16 EQ 400mgs test 250mgs
03/19 EQ 400mgs test 250mgs
03/22 EQ 400mgs test 250mgs

When I used deca in the past it was for 4 weeks then dropped for 4 weeks and then another 4 weeks. My nipples were very unhappy during that 4th week. Plus I want it out of my system so I can start tren/test cycle.

I'll never use PV again. Yet many others have posted good things. Perhaps something about me having to wait several weeks and several emails to get my order had something to do with it Probably last time I'll use that source. Very costly mistake.

 

[satchboogie]

so whatcha saying then?

 

[BigAndy69]

Bro, check your pm.

 

[bbkingpin]

"Bro, check your pm" ... for what? Is it shit or not? Why, in this day and age, do people buy bootlegs? There should be no demand given the supply of human and vet grade products. People berate vet grade for no good reason but why oh why would you ever take bootleg over vet or human grade gear? Crazy! Tren, okay, because it is in essence a homemade product anyway. But test????? Deca? EQ? Sorry dude but, you know, even if the PVL is real, you'll never know! Unless you have it tested, and where is the cost savings in that? It is good you will never do PVL again. Stay away from all bootleg brands.

 

[Frackal]

Strange bro...I'm using it now too and I've gained about 25lbs, and also having slight gyno which I've NEVER had before and has to be the deca:

pvl:

Deca: 650 / Eq 600 / Test 125mg (yes 125) a week...

 

[Lift Chief]

I've heard PVL is very potent stuff... what is going on with this... bigandy?

 

[Thorazine]

That is very, very odd.

I'm running the PVL fina/prop/eq and soon to be winny, and I have to say that my nips were DAMN sore for awhile there. Nolva and bromo helped it out.

I'm also dieting, and according to my skin caliper measurements, I've lost just over 3% BF and gained just over 4lbs of LBM.

PVL is working awesome for me, and this is coming from a person who swore to only ever use pharmaceutical grade gear (which I grew very well off of as well).

Thorazine

 

[sk*]

Strange bro...I'm using it now too and I've gained about 25lbs, and also having slight gyno which I've NEVER had before and has to be the deca:

pvl:

Deca: 650 / Eq 600 / Test 125mg (yes 125) a week...

Nice test dose. Wimp.

-sk

 

[TECH ONE]

I'm on a PVL Fina only cycle right now (week 9) and everything is going awesome! I'm up around 12 pounds and my lifts in the gym are amazing! I think this is my 7th cycle (lost count, but whos counting?) and these are some great gains concidering i've been juicing for a while!!

My roommate started his first cycle, and he is using PVL Enanthate, PVL fina, Alpha-tech dbols and pnp L-dex! He is up around 20 pounds in just 8 weeks. He has 4 more weeks to go and the way he is growing he'll put on another 10 pounds!! Just for the sake of telling you guys, my roommate is a fucking Mutant, he is 6'5" and now wieghs around 315lbs and only at 14% bf and 23 years old!!

 

[ryker77]

I know alot of guys have posted good results. Thats what troubles me. I'm not new to this so I don't think I'm fucking up with my training. Plus my gym buddy is not gaining either.

Two months ago I did have cortisone epidurals three of them. Would that crap still be in my system?

 

[Seth28]

Naw, cortisol epidurals arent enough to produce a systemic catabolic response. Thats odd though,, did you increase your cals enough? ONe way to check and see if test is real is just get a serum test level. You should be on the higher end of normal at 250mg a week or supraphysiologic if you have any natural test production. There are labs that can order the test for you on the net, forget what the name is but someone here should have it.

Also remember that alot of people need 4-6 weeks before the gains from EQ and deca start. I especially think this is true if you have done a few cycles. I just dont put on alot of water wt right away at the doses that I used to bloat at. Gluck bro.

 

[ryker77]

I've got acces to have my blood checked. I'll just not use PVL and start with the ol'e fina. Its never failed me.

 

[BigAndy69]

"Bro, check your pm" ... for what? Is it shit or not? Why, in this day and age, do people buy bootlegs? There should be no demand given the supply of human and vet grade products. People berate vet grade for no good reason but why oh why would you ever take bootleg over vet or human grade gear? Crazy! Tren, okay, because it is in essence a homemade product anyway. But test????? Deca? EQ? Sorry dude but, you know, even if the PVL is real, you'll never know! Unless you have it tested, and where is the cost savings in that? It is good you will never do PVL again. Stay away from all bootleg brands.

Bro, what business is it of yours? Maybe I have some info for him that I don't feel like sharing with the board.

 

[needsize]

"Bro, check your pm" ... for what? Is it shit or not? Why, in this day and age, do people buy bootlegs? There should be no demand given the supply of human and vet grade products. People berate vet grade for no good reason but why oh why would you ever take bootleg over vet or human grade gear? Crazy! Tren, okay, because it is in essence a homemade product anyway. But test????? Deca? EQ? Sorry dude but, you know, even if the PVL is real, you'll never know! Unless you have it tested, and where is the cost savings in that? It is good you will never do PVL again. Stay away from all bootleg brands.

This is a broad generalization....My last 35lbs or so of mass have come from exclusively underground gear, you just need to know which one to go with

 

[jubei]

Bro, what business is it of yours? Maybe I have some info for him that I don't feel like sharing with the board.

No shit... That's why there is the PM option.

 

[Big Boy]

Suprising

PV Lab as a great reputation and the results I see on the boards speak for themselves. In my opinion you can'T go wrong with the UG Labs in Canada (PV Lab, LFC, Jenaka, etc...)

This being said, I find it suprising that it took ryker77 a lot of time to get is goods because I've read on the boards that their customer service is Great that the goods are always readily available. Choose carefully your sources...

Deca usually kicks in within 4-5 weeks and I've seen a lot of bro's mention 5-8 weeks for EQ....

my 0.02$

BB

 

[luke69]

Re: Suprising

PV Lab as a great reputation and the results I see on the boards speak for themselves. In my opinion you can'T go wrong with the UG Labs in Canada (PV Lab, LFC, Jenaka, etc...)

This being said, I find it suprising that it took ryker77 a lot of time to get is goods because I've read on the boards that their customer service is Great that the goods are always readily available. Choose carefully your sources...

Deca usually kicks in within 4-5 weeks and I've seen a lot of bro's mention 5-8 weeks for EQ....

my 0.02$

BB

well put bro. i have tried many canadian underground labs and for the most part been happy,luke

 

[monka]

I can also say that I've used MOST of the line, and can honestly say it rocks!! The dude at my guy, also love it , never had one complaint......
I've also used, WP , Old spectro so far and all were what they say!!

MOnka

 

[Danny Love]

Just a question man ? Have you talked to your rep before making a thread thrashing those products ? If you rep is in fact selling the "real deal", I'm sure he would of compansated you.

I don't think it's right from you to thrash a company who has definitely made her proof within the last year. Well when your at the top, there's always some people who will try to bring you down.

I used those products and have achieve good gains (and nut shrinkage : ) ). I fucking doubled my reps on my deadlift with the suspina in 1 week and you're gonna tell me that
PV Labs = Crap.... Come on ...

And about your cycle dosage, I really don't understand why taking a week with 500mg test, then the next week none.
Enanthate is active in the body for 5-6 days isn't it. So your left with 8 days out of 14 without test .... I think your cycle wasn't well planned (it ain't the usual cycle that's for sure).

QUOTE : I'm no newbie to this world and I know what is what.

Those dosage are a little weak for someone advanced like you say you are.


Another thing, I saw you live in the US ... AS I know , PV Labs only ships domestically to Canada. You said that it took a lot of time to receive your order. So who knows where your order was. Maybe it was sitting all night outside in a truck at -30. You get what I'm saying, it's hard to control quality in those circumstances. I think PV Labs should stay within Canada.

This is no flame but I think you should of thinked and talked to your rep first .

 

[Fonz]

AS I know , PV Labs only ships domestically to Canada.

Thats what I thought too....so whats the story?

And I'm putting my faith in Rykers commentary. He doesn't cry wolf for the fun of it.

Something about PV is askew in the US(Still don't know how it got there).

Fonz

 

[sk*]

Thats what I thought too....so whats the story?

And I'm putting my faith in Rykers commentary. He doesn't cry wolf for the fun of it.

Something about PV is askew in the US(Still don't know how it got there).

Fonz

Umm, some sources ship pvl products to the US. I know my friend recieved it.

-sk

 

[Fonz]

Umm, some sources ship pvl products to the US. I know my friend recieved it.

-sk

Then its probably a problem in the US side. Never heard one iota of bad comments about PVL in Canada.

Fonz

 

[bbkingpin]

Bro, what business is it of yours? Maybe I have some info for him that I don't feel like sharing with the board.

Yeah, I didn't mean to be rude. Sorry.

 

[bbkingpin]

This is a broad generalization....My last 35lbs or so of mass have come from exclusively underground gear, you just need to know which one to go with

Like I said, it might be real but he'll only know for sure if he tests it. The point is, if you have vet or human grade available, why would you go with bootleg? It appears that the bootleg brands are big in Canada. Maybe they are the only things available. I would not buy from an underground lab that has to hide from the government. I'd rather buy from a real manufacturer that can operate out in the open, and may even be government regulated.

 

[ryker77]

Just a question man ? Have you talked to your rep before making a thread thrashi

I used those products and have achieve good gains (and nut shrinkage : ) ). I fucking doubled my reps on my deadlift with the suspina in 1 week and you're gonna tell me that
PV Labs = Crap.... Come on ...

And about your cycle dosage, I really don't understand why taking a week with 500mg test, then the next week none.
Enanthate is active in the body for 5-6 days isn't it. So your left with 8 days out of 14 without test .... I think your cycle wasn't well planned (it ain't the usual cycle that's for sure).

QUOTE : I'm no newbie to this world and I know what is what.

Those dosage are a little weak for someone advanced like you say you are.


Another thing, I saw you live in the US ... AS I know , PV Labs only ships domestically to Canada. You said that it took a lot of time to receive your order. So who knows where your order was. Maybe it was sitting all night outside in a truck at -30. You get what I'm saying, it's hard to control quality in those circumstances. I think PV Labs should stay within Canada.

This is no flame but I think you should of thinked and talked to your rep first .

 

[ryker77]

Just a question man ? Have you talked to your rep before making a thread thrashi

I used those products and have achieve good gains (and nut shrinkage : ) ). I fucking doubled my reps on my deadlift with the suspina in 1 week and you're gonna tell me that
PV Labs = Crap.... Come on ...

And about your cycle dosage, I really don't understand why taking a week with 500mg test, then the next week none.
Enanthate is active in the body for 5-6 days isn't it. So your left with 8 days out of 14 without test .... I think your cycle wasn't well planned (it ain't the usual cycle that's for sure).

QUOTE : I'm no newbie to this world and I know what is what.

Those dosage are a little weak for someone advanced like you say you are.


Another thing, I saw you live in the US ... AS I know , PV Labs only ships domestically to Canada. You said that it took a lot of time to receive your order. So who knows where your order was. Maybe it was sitting all night outside in a truck at -30. You get what I'm saying, it's hard to control quality in those circumstances. I think PV Labs should stay within Canada.

This is no flame but I think you should of thinked and talked to your rep first .

First off I am only talking about the Deca and EQ.

2nd. I don't need to talk to any rep. What the hell is a rep goining to tell me.

3rd. My low dose is because its a bridge between tren cycles. Plus having 5 things jacked up in my knee and a torn something in my wirst all from a bike crash. So please don't question my dosage! And it was 500mgs test every 6th day.

 

[ryker77]

Thats what I thought too....so whats the story?

And I'm putting my faith in Rykers commentary. He doesn't cry wolf for the fun of it.

Something about PV is askew in the US(Still don't know how it got there).

Fonz

Thanks... Just trying to give my opion on the deca and EQ made by PVL.

I was not talking about the other gear made by PVL or any other canada gear. Most guys seam to think that all canadian gear is the same......

 

[needsize]

Like I said, it might be real but he'll only know for sure if he tests it. The point is, if you have vet or human grade available, why would you go with bootleg? It appears that the bootleg brands are big in Canada. Maybe they are the only things available. I would not buy from an underground lab that has to hide from the government. I'd rather buy from a real manufacturer that can operate out in the open, and may even be government regulated.

The underground stuff that I have used is the same price if not cheaper than vet, but of a quality far superior. The vet stuff is mostly mexican and isnt regulated by the government. Human grade stuff is twice the price, you take a risk to get it over the border, and is very widely faked, 3 reasons why I stick with underground

 

[liftsiron]

This is an interesting thread, I've heard some good things about PVL but have not used their products. I also know that Ryker is a good bro who doesn't bullshit in his threads. Is it possible that there are PVL fakes out, or perhaps a bad batch?

 

[bbkingpin]

The underground stuff that I have used is the same price if not cheaper than vet, but of a quality far superior. The vet stuff is mostly mexican and isnt regulated by the government. Human grade stuff is twice the price, you take a risk to get it over the border, and is very widely faked, 3 reasons why I stick with underground

I don't think the Mexican government regulates anything! I believe you but just wonder how people can determine the quality of a product. What is it about underground gear or PVL gear that distinguishes it as far superior quality? It is not like you taste it, is it?

 

[needsize]

I don't think the Mexican government regulates anything! I believe you but just wonder how people can determine the quality of a product. What is it about underground gear or PVL gear that distinguishes it as far superior quality? It is not like you taste it, is it?

I have my doubts about pvl myself as there is no way they can meet all their label claims, ie, 250mg prop per cc is not possible without so much BA that you couldnt possibly inject it.
The underground stuff that I've used, spectro and LFC, I went by reputation. I knew guys that were loving it so I gave them a try, and my results spoke for themselves

 

[mvmaxx]

I don't think the Mexican government regulates anything! I believe you but just wonder how people can determine the quality of a product. What is it about underground gear or PVL gear that distinguishes it as far superior quality? It is not like you taste it, is it?

From what I've seen, and other friends of mine have told me, is that UG labs (Spectro and LFC specifically) were much less painful than other mex gear.



To ryker - you mentioned your knee and wrist being hurt. Did the deca help with that at all? When I was on deca it helped my shoulder pain tremendously and that's how I knew it was working.

 

[BigAndy69]

First off, Ryker is a respected member of this board, if his opinion is that PVL sucks, I'll hear him out.

Next off, PVL controls who distributes the product...and there is 1 rep who sells it to the US so saying this is the sources' doing is bullshit.

There are no PVL fakes

And the reason you will not hear any complaints from US users is because it just made it's way on the US market 4-5 months ago.

 

[Lift Chief]

First off, Ryker is a respected member of this board, if his opinion is that PVL sucks, I'll hear him out.

Next off, PVL controls who distributes the product...and there is 1 rep who sells it to the US so saying this is the sources' doing is bullshit.

There are no PVL fakes

And the reason you will not hear any complaints from US users is because it just made it's way on the US market 4-5 months ago.

Even if there is only one rep there could be a few sources operating in the US that got it from that rep right?

I've seen PVL gear in a couple different places.

 

[BigAndy69]

I beleive he got it from the official rep.

 

[kidkoala]

It sounds like a source may be swapping some oil

 

[jubei]

Personally I think it would be best to go to the source and talk to him first. It's like if your car breaks down you take it to the dealership, and don't start yelling at everyone who passes you on the road. Nothing personal against ryker, just my opinion.

 

[BigAndy69]

It sounds like a source may be swapping some oil

Bro, shut the fuck up, what do you know?

 

[sk*]

Bro, shut the fuck up, what do you know?

HAHA lol, I was gonna say something but I left him for you LOL.

-sk