Pull-ups after deads...

[lavi]

It's officially been 2 months of no progress on pull-ups. I'm doing a 5x5 routine with 5 sets of deads followed by 2 sets of "weighted" pullups. Aside from deads being generally tiring, I think that one of my big problems is my grip. After doing heavy deads, I feel like my grip is very weak on pull-ups and it may be what limits me. Usually by the end of the set I'm holding on to the pullup bar with my fingers since my grip has slowly let go.

One idea is to do my rows before pull-ups to give my grip a break, but that would probably weaken my pullups even because i'll have alreadh worked my lats. Should I avoid pullups altogether for now, use those things that go on your elbows to support your arms (although I don't know if it's possible to do pullups with them), or do some grip work on on other days?

I have a feeling most of you'll say gripwork, so what do you suggest? And what should do for my lats in the meantime?

 

[Buddy_Christ]

i know how you feel about the pullups after deads. my grip feels pretty shot as well. i havn't been doing any more pullups than when i started 5x5, i really just don't have the juice in me to do it, at least that's how it feels. however, my isolation movements on almost every day are getting weaker as my 5x5s go up.

sucks to hear you're not making any progress on pullups, but neither am i really. maybe do your pullups first? if all your 5x5s have been moving up steadily i really wouldn't worry about it too much though.

 

[Smurfy]

you def. should be doing some grip worl. do you have to do pullups on the same day as deads?

 

[lavi]

crak600- thanks, at least isnt just me...

smurfy - what do you recommend for grip work? Monday is "back day," but maybe I should just do my pullups on a different day than my deads and rows (friday)? thanks

 

[Bulldog_10]

I split my lower body and upper body up into seperate days. I do deads on lower body day, and pull-ups on upper body days. Probably doesn't help you much...but there ARE ways to work around things like this...just gotta figure out what works for you. Maybe do pull-ups before deads some days or something like that.

 

[Atomic Punk]

Lose the weight. Do more reps.

 

[lavi]

bulldog - for now i want to stick with the 5x5... I could try doing pullups before deads, but ive only been doing deads a few months and would like to focus on them the most.

atomic - i called it "weighted" pullups because im currently doing them with no weight . How would that help me though? I could also switch to pulldowns...

thanks guys

 

[super_rice]

grip work, try some grip variations with your deadlift.

also, who said you had to do your chins/pullups on deadlift day?

 

[Bulldog_10]

bulldog - for now i want to stick with the 5x5... I could try doing pullups before deads, but ive only been doing deads a few months and would like to focus on them the most.

atomic - i called it "weighted" pullups because im currently doing them with no weight . How would that help me though? I could also switch to pulldowns...

thanks guys

Pull-downs could work, but I'd stick with pull-ups (because it's closed-chain). You could also use straps every so often, but don't start depending on them.

 

[supersizeme]

this is why i deadlift every other week and on the off weeks i hit the weighted pullups. you simply don't have enough energy to effectively hit them both in the same workout.

 

[Atomic Punk]

bulldog - for now i want to stick with the 5x5... I could try doing pullups before deads, but ive only been doing deads a few months and would like to focus on them the most.

atomic - i called it "weighted" pullups because im currently doing them with no weight . How would that help me though? I could also switch to pulldowns...

thanks guys

OIC. I thought you were doing them wearing a weighted chain-belt or something of the like. Does your gym have one of those Hydraulic Dip/Pullups Machines, where you stand on a platform, which asists you in the lift? I used that to rehab a pinched nerve, until I could get back on the pullup bar. Maybe that would help in the interim, until you can get your grip up to par. What do you think bro?

 

[Bulldog_10]

OIC. I thought you were doing them wearing a weighted chain-belt or something of the like. Does your gym have one of those Hydraulic Dip/Pullups Machines, where you stand on a platform, which asists you in the lift? I used that to rehab a pinched nerve, until I could get back on the pullup bar. Maybe that would help in the interim, until you can get your grip up to par. What do you think bro?

I'm not a big fan of those things...I'd stick with the regular pull-ups and just do what you can before switching to these.

 

[Atomic Punk]

I'm not a big fan of those things...I'd stick with the regular pull-ups and just do what you can before switching to these.

You don't think it could serve as an aid, to get his grip in check? I don't use it at all, and I didn't mean to sound like I was tooting its' horn or anything. However, it did help me to rehab my left arm(left side really) after a severely pinched nerve. Obviously, the freebar is where you want to be. The lack of a mechanical advantage is what makes them so great. No pulleys, levers, bearings, or the like that you would find on machines for pulldowns. Just you, the bar, and gravity.

 

[Bulldog_10]

You don't think it could serve as an aid, to get his grip in check? I don't use it at all, and I didn't mean to sound like I was tooting its' horn or anything. However, it did help me to rehab my left arm(left side really) after a severely pinched nerve. Obviously, the freebar is where you want to be. The lack of a mechanical advantage is what makes them so great. No pulleys, levers, bearings, or the like that you would find on machines for pulldowns. Just you, the bar, and gravity.

I agree. I don't like the assisted pull-up because it seems to change the whole movement...I assume it changes the recruitment patterns, making it more like a pull-down.

 

[lavi]

Looks like best thing would be to just do my pullups on friday, at least for a while. Thanks guys.

 

[nsashbl01]

Lavi, I feel your pain. I've been water skiing for years and my hands never got used to it. Deads cause me lots of hand pain. I stopped using straps so my hands will adapt, I hope. Anyway, just do pullups using your fingers, not a full grip. Your hands get stronger and don't hurt as bad. Sometimes my hands have gotten so bad from skiing that they bleed, and hooking my finger worked. I've got thin hands, so maybe thats why. But this workaround has pulled me through.

Good luck....

 

[d3track]

i would say use straps on your second set

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I do pullups after deads as in my routine and have not had any difficulties, although maybe it's 'cause I'm not using enough weight. When doing pullups, I use the thumbs over monkey grip so as to take the biceps out of the movement as much as possible. My hands basically work as hooks.

 

[IronandGravity]

Straps for the pull-ups till your grip gets stronger? (Hope this wasn't mentioned already, I didn't read all the posts)

 

[REBEL]

Start working your forearms more often(both grip and hypertrophy), and as soon as you get done with your deadlifts, go over to the pull-up bar and hang for as long as you can. I am doing the same thing(deads followed by chins) and don't have any problems with grip, but everyone is different.

 

[Lord_Suston]

Don't let your grip stop your training use starps if there is a need. I don't mean forget to train grip but in the same respect don't let your training suffer due to grip either. When I deadlift I do as much as I can raw, if my back give before my grip then I don't force my back to do more. And the reverse is true in my training if my hand go first GOod Damn right I'm gonna put on straps to ge the most out of my workout. It is nice and dandy that many people say train grip but don't let it get in the way either. My grip use to suck big time I could DL over 315 without straps.

So I did as many sets as I could without straps, and work grip on a separate day to strengthen it. But when my hands couldn't hold anymore I use straps to get he job done. I have pulled 525 Raw, and 545 from the lowest setting on the rack, and recetnly I picked up 305 farmers. This is my Honest Opinion

 

[WalkingBeast]

I believe if you are deadlifting with enough volume and weight, your getting all the grip work you need. You can add extra exercises in like COC grippers or static holds as well. If your grip is limiting you in any movement Id use straps. Ive used them, and my grip has had no problems adapting. My grip has never been a strong point, but I can still grip 700+ with chalk and a mixed grip. So Id suggest using straps and maybe adding in some timed holds or COC gripper work.