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Whats the scoop on this stuff, pertaining to keeping gains post cycle. Proviron isn't mentioned much anymore, just wanna hear a few experiences from some educated bro's.
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Ive talked to a mod on mmx. I guess its good stuff to bridge with?
I have always thought you should not use Proviron post cycle as it interfears with LH production due to it's androgenic activity.
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It is a good post-cycle measure to use an aromatase inhibitor with Clomid IMO. Proviron has a dual function as both an aromatase inhibitor and a mild androgen which makes it uniquely effective as a post cycle measure. Here is an excerpt from the "GainsKeeper Formula":
"Proviron is a synthetic androgen that also acts as an anti-aromatase. When the intake of steroids ceases, the bodies own androgen levels are very low, yet the estrogen levels are still very high. This shifts the androgen to estrogen ratio in favor of the estrogens spelling bad news for the user. Proviron keeps the ratio in favor of the androgens without effecting the natural production of testosterone, thereby adding to spermatogenisis. This double action drug begins to reduce the amount of estrogen in the body by preventing the aromatization of testosterone to estrogen so that possible gyno, water retention and female pattern fat distribution may be avoided. It will also give the body a much harder look"
I started using Proviron post cycle on my last cycle and I did find my gains retention was better, I didn't have a strength falloff and I hardened up pretty quick. Just started my clomid/Proviron post cycle measure again, I can update you if you like.
"Proviron is a synthetic androgen that also acts as an anti-aromatase. When the intake of steroids ceases, the bodies own androgen levels are very low, yet the estrogen levels are still very high. This shifts the androgen to estrogen ratio in favor of the estrogens spelling bad news for the user. Proviron keeps the ratio in favor of the androgens without effecting the natural production of testosterone, thereby adding to spermatogenisis. This double action drug begins to reduce the amount of estrogen in the body by preventing the aromatization of testosterone to estrogen so that possible gyno, water retention and female pattern fat distribution may be avoided. It will also give the body a much harder look"
I started using Proviron post cycle on my last cycle and I did find my gains retention was better, I didn't have a strength falloff and I hardened up pretty quick. Just started my clomid/Proviron post cycle measure again, I can update you if you like.
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It makes a sense, kinda. Though it is androgenic, it is very mildly so, and will not disrupt HPTA. Being an aromatase inhibitor, it's usage should result in more free test in your system, and it also seems to have something of a hardening effect. Anabolically on it own, it will not be very effective, but combining with say Oxandrolone in a bridge might make more sense.Suspension said:
Good info Pimpn
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anyone has tried 100 a day, does this give better results than 50ed?
PimpnAintEasy
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Growin,
I think 50mg ED would be sufficient, and yes with Primo will make a nice bridge. You should really harden up those last 5 weeks. I read a while back about someone who did a similar bridge, but added Nolvadex and was getting impressive results from it---maybe they'll respond as I'm at a loss as to where to find the post.
I think 50mg ED would be sufficient, and yes with Primo will make a nice bridge. You should really harden up those last 5 weeks. I read a while back about someone who did a similar bridge, but added Nolvadex and was getting impressive results from it---maybe they'll respond as I'm at a loss as to where to find the post.
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yes it was said 50Prov ed + 20Nolva/day and he's got hard as hell from it.
Prov can be used the whole year cause it doesn't damage your liver
Prov can be used the whole year cause it doesn't damage your liver
I think it was DCS who was using 300mg/Day and having great results for Proviron alone. I can't seem to find the post though
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ROIDRANGER
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im taking 100mg winny ed, 50mg proviron ed , and 20mg nolva ed-----and hard as a fucking rock...and yes the pro & nolva did make a difference that i noticed...
Italianboy
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I think use clomid w/proviron isn't good.IN the body Proviron is received(is it right?
)like an androgen and if there are some androgens in the system,clomid doesn't work,you know.
)like an androgen and if there are some androgens in the system,clomid doesn't work,you know.PimpnAintEasy
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Lawnsaver already answered this, and I have found it to be true in my experience. If you use no more than 50mg Proviron post cycle the androgenic effects are very mild and do not disrupt Clomid's activity. I found combining the 2 makes HPTA recovery quicker (than with just clomid) and I maintained gains and strength at noticeably higher %'s. The "GainsKeeper's Formula" ( http://www.roid.com/gains.htm ) recommends using Proviron with Clomid, and I don't think they would do so if it disrupted Clomid's HPTA recovery function----that is central to the whole GainsKeeping concept.Italianboy said:I think use clomid w/proviron isn't good.IN the body Proviron is received(is it right?
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Here's a quote that may explain why some people report noticeable gains/hardening when using Proviron:
...Proviron is rapidly reduced to inactive metabolites in muscle tissue, a trait characteristic of dihydrotestosterone, the belief that the weak anabolic nature of this compound indicated a tendacy to block the androgen receptor in muscle tissue, thereby reducing the gains of other more potent muscle building steroids, should likewise NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. In fact due to its extremely high afinity for plasma binding proteins such as SHBG, PROVIRON MAY ACTUALLY WORK TO POTENATE the activity of other steroids by displacing a higher percentage into a free unbound state." Anabolics 2000 p.157
...Proviron is rapidly reduced to inactive metabolites in muscle tissue, a trait characteristic of dihydrotestosterone, the belief that the weak anabolic nature of this compound indicated a tendacy to block the androgen receptor in muscle tissue, thereby reducing the gains of other more potent muscle building steroids, should likewise NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. In fact due to its extremely high afinity for plasma binding proteins such as SHBG, PROVIRON MAY ACTUALLY WORK TO POTENATE the activity of other steroids by displacing a higher percentage into a free unbound state." Anabolics 2000 p.157
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Nolva affects estrogen levels more directly, Proviron is an aromatase inhibitor and therefore blocks aromatization of androgens to estrodiol. According to the quote from my previous post, Proviron may actually potenate (make more potent) the activity of other Steroids.
Nolva has long been thought to hinder gains somewhat, however, in cycles like Roidranger described, max gains are not the objective. In cutting or bridging, nolva can be beneficial to the objective.
Nolva has long been thought to hinder gains somewhat, however, in cycles like Roidranger described, max gains are not the objective. In cutting or bridging, nolva can be beneficial to the objective.
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ROIDRANGER, tell me more about your hardening cycle
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bump for this
Italianboy
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Th gainskeepr formula doesn't convince me so much.
You know that body restart to produce your test form Lh just if androgenic level in the system is low(sorry I use simply word because i can't afford the right words for this!).In that formula you have to use Proviron(and it could be ok,as Pimp said)but profasi 5000 will rise your test so much that feedback of clomid will be inefective.Is almost like using clomid in a week of test-use at about 3-400mg(since 5000UI can rise your test at 400%)!
I'm totally agree for use proviron after clomid terapy to keep gains(if you want,but I don't do this).
You know that body restart to produce your test form Lh just if androgenic level in the system is low(sorry I use simply word because i can't afford the right words for this!).In that formula you have to use Proviron(and it could be ok,as Pimp said)but profasi 5000 will rise your test so much that feedback of clomid will be inefective.Is almost like using clomid in a week of test-use at about 3-400mg(since 5000UI can rise your test at 400%)!
I'm totally agree for use proviron after clomid terapy to keep gains(if you want,but I don't do this).
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why not?
pgerardone
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Proviron is good if you can not get arimidex. Proviron is ok but there are other drugs that do the same things PV does but more effectively. Like arimidex which is a much better anti-estrogen. PV is a good physique hardener but I have found much better results with halos(which are the best for adding that last bit of sharpness to an already lean physique), test suspension, masteron and even anadrol. If you are limited in what you can get proviron may not be a bad choice but if you have acsess to a large variety of drugs I would not use it. As for using it as a bridge I, again, can think of much better things to use for that purpose.
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Prov works fine for me, I'm using it for 2 months just to keep hardness and of course sex drive, halos are very harsh for the kidneys Prov is SAFE
Scott Steinner
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very nice thread!
