Proviron with Winstrol tabs to lower SHBG?

[Brewers17]

Doin a 15 week test cycle at 650mg/week with Winstrol - stanozolol tabs at 50mg ed for the last six weeks. I have read some articles about oral winstrol and proviron lowering sex hormone binding globulin levels. I was running proviron at 50mg ed for the first three weeks and just found out that I cant get any more to finish the cycle at that dose. My plan is to run the proviron at 25mg for the next 9 weeks and start running the winstrol weeks 11-16. Got two questions: Is 25mg proviron ed worth taking or should I find some more elsewhere? Are winstrol tabs as effective as proviron at increasing free testosterone or do I really need to find more proviron? My lack of other injectables (starting a new job and dont need new side effects) is making want the most I can get out of this very simple cycle so any feedback from you veterans on the board will be much appreciated. Thanks ahead a time bros.

 

[Triple J]

are your running an anti-aromatase with the T? at that dose you should be running an ai to keep estrogen in check. keeping estrogen from going high will help hold down SHBG, too. in regards to your question though I think even at only 25mg/d I would probably run the proviron up to the transition to winnie. both winnie and proviron are strong SHBG suppresors, if I recall from studies, that winnie is even more powerful. so you do not need to run both together for this purpose.

the other advice i would give you is to stop the T in week 12. the winnie run will then give sufficient time for the long esters to clear your system before starting PCT at week 16

 

[nydj66]

are your running an anti-aromatase with the T? at that dose you should be running an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen in check. keeping estrogen from going high will help hold down sex hormone binding globulin , too. in regards to your question though I think even at only 25mg/d I would probably run the proviron up to the transition to winnie. both winnie and proviron are strong SHBG suppresors, if I recall from studies, that winnie is even more powerful. so you do not need to run both together for this purpose.

the other advice i would give you is to stop the T in week 12. the winnie run will then give sufficient time for the long esters to clear your system before starting PCT - post cycle therapy - at week 16

Good advice.

Brewers, you didn't mention which test ester you're running but assuming it's enanthate or cypionate, I'd cut out the test at week 13.

 

[Nelson Montana]

AND...you can use this to lower SH BG even more. http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=109&cat=0&page=1

 

[Brewers17]

Thanks for the feedback bros. Runnin enan at 325mg 2x week. Ive seen alot of cycles run 15 weeks (mostly Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - and other long chain esters) There any particular reason not to run this cycle that long? Cholesterol? Shutdown?

 

[nydj66]

The gains from a test-e cycle generally level off somewhere between week 8-10. So running that cycle longer costs more money and keeps your HPTA shut down longer than necessary without any real benefit.

 

[Brewers17]

The gains from a test-e cycle generally level off somewhere between week 8-10. So running that cycle longer costs more money and keeps your hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - shut down longer than necessary without any real benefit.

True that man... Im gonna see what the rest of the forum folks think. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Triple J]

the reason i said to quit the TE at week 12 or so is to give the long esters time to clear your system prior to ending the cycle at week 16. you will still be able to make gains during this period especially with the addition of the winnie, which will help free up the remaining T as it is released into your system. regarding the TE, at that dosage i would want a good four week clearing period before starting PCT.

 

[Brewers17]

the reason i said to quit the TE at week 12 or so is to give the long esters time to clear your system prior to ending the cycle at week 16. you will still be able to make gains during this period especially with the addition of the winnie, which will help free up the remaining T as it is released into your system. regarding the TE, at that dosage i would want a good four week clearing period before starting PCT - post cycle therapy - .

Thanks for the advice bro, Im definately gonna look into that a little more.