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Proviron will shut you down, yes or no...
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These guys were given a boatload of Proviron (Mesterolone) for a year, and unless their LH was very high to begin with it had no effect on it. The question was will Proviron shut you down. Even those with high LH counts were not "shut down". It had no effect on Test levels, even after a year. So if someone says it shuts you down I don't know what they are basing that on.
Int J Gynaecol Obstet. 1988 Feb;26(1):121-8.
The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.
Varma TR, Patel RH.
Department of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, St. George's Hospital Medical School London, U.K.
Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assayed 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) luteinizing hormone (LH) and plasma testosterone were assayed once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH, LH and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.
Int J Gynaecol Obstet. 1988 Feb;26(1):121-8.
The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.
Varma TR, Patel RH.
Department of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, St. George's Hospital Medical School London, U.K.
Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assayed 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) luteinizing hormone (LH) and plasma testosterone were assayed once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH, LH and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.
It's not odd. It's outdated. Clomid is much better and so are AI's that weren't around in the 80's when Proviron was being considered.
No these men were not post cycle. Good luck finding someone to fund that study. But the men were all suffering from a condition very similar to being post cycle. It actually improved their condition which would mean that it would not have a negative effect post cycle and is more likely to have a positive effect. Are you reading that abstract?
The answer to the question is still NO proviron will not shut you down. You can vote on it all day and when you're through voting it still won't shut you down. Taking a vote of who heard what from the guys at the gym is a little short of scientific.
No these men were not post cycle. Good luck finding someone to fund that study. But the men were all suffering from a condition very similar to being post cycle. It actually improved their condition which would mean that it would not have a negative effect post cycle and is more likely to have a positive effect. Are you reading that abstract?
The answer to the question is still NO proviron will not shut you down. You can vote on it all day and when you're through voting it still won't shut you down. Taking a vote of who heard what from the guys at the gym is a little short of scientific.
Dude I'm with Alltraps on this one, I know FOR A FACT (blood tests) that using proviron post-cycle kept me 100% shut down. Recovery didn't even start at all til I dropped that thing (I used it for like a month post-cycle, bad idea). Trust me on this one.
Whether it will shut you down if you're not shut-down already is something I can't say.
Whether it will shut you down if you're not shut-down already is something I can't say.
Actually I am saying it won't keep you surpressed during PCT. It is used for low sperm counts, or was 20 years ago anyway. That study shows that even after a year it had NO AFFECT on test levels in 52 of 52 men.
Anakin, I don't know your situation. So I can't really comment on it. You may have recovered when you came off of it simply because more time had passed. Some people don't start recovering their normal LH and test levels for months.
Anakin, I don't know your situation. So I can't really comment on it. You may have recovered when you came off of it simply because more time had passed. Some people don't start recovering their normal LH and test levels for months.
