Protein Shake before AM cardio???

[arnoldk]

Is it ok to have a shake before AM cardio to preserve muscle or does this defeat the benefeits of AM cardio?

 

[Big Mac Attack]

Protein is awalys cool. I would drink it about 15 or 20 minutes before you start because some people get stomach cramps, I dont however.

 

[Squirrel Masta]

Protein is good at any time of the day. If it doenst make you sick or naucious then go ahead.

 

[drveejay11]

There was a recent thread that proclaimed if you take WHEY proteitn prior (nothing else---no carbs, no fat) approx 1 hour to cardio, you can burn fat and preserve muscle. I don't know if I buy it but use the info how you'd like

By the way-----WHEY only (not sure why)

 

[VengefulMonkey]

some more opinions to this??
I would also believe that it's good to get some whey down before AM cardio, but at another board people agree on the exact opposite.......?
Will the protein be used as energy instead of bodyfat??

 

[Khadar]

I think it would all depend on your goals. Why are you doing cardio in the morning? For most people it is to burn bodyfat. The way I understand it your body burns more fat on a empty stomach. So by drinking a shake you are going to burn those calories first insteed of fat.

I'll bump for more ideas.

 

[granby140]

is there ever a time not to take protien?

 

[tzan]

I would like to hear some more opinions on this. For fat burning, wouldn't an empty stomach be more productive??

 

[RADAR]

If you're burning fat its best to run on an empty stomach this way the body burns stored fat,if running for endurance than go ahead and have a shake the body will need those extra calories.another go way to burn fat and make it extra effective in the morning is to go bet 13 -16 hrs after your last evening meal this does an effective hatchett job on bodyfat but makes that morning run tuff!!

RADAR

 

[bigerisbetter]

I would like to hear some more opinions on this. For fat burning, wouldn't an empty stomach be more productive??

I agree, if your trying to burn fat than do so on a empty stomach. The protein shake may be used as fuel for the cardio, where you want your bodyfat to be used as fuel.

 

[Big Mac Attack]

Bullshit!!! your body will burn muscle befor it will burn fat. A few grams of protein in your stomach isnt going to hurt anything unless you dont care about saving muscle. Also if you drink 40 grams of protein X 4 calories/gram=160 total calories. I hope your cardio session you are going to burn more than 160 right? So its a moot point...drink up. But no carbs or fat just protein.

 

[Squirrel Masta]

Running in the AM to me is completely BS. I do my 25 minutes right after my workouts, because if you run on E your body will begin to burn muscle along with fat at a uneven ratio. Always have some type of carbs or protein in your system to fuel your workout.

Some people argue that you will burn more fat with cardio in the morning because there is nothing in your system to burn so it hits your fat deposits first, but since there is nothing to aid your workout you will first start to see muscle loss and then the fat shortly after. It all depends on your goals. Thru trial and error I have came to the conclusion that after my workouts works best for me. Ie. Abs, running, boxing, and cycling

 

[SOLID]

Id like to see some scientific research on this burning muscle before fat burning theory. If you have no glucose to use for energy then the next source of fuel to provide you with energy is fat. If your worried about muscle loss pop some aminos before you do your cardio.

 

[micromko]

Bump for some more info from the pros

 

[Radical Ice]

there are 3-4 excellent studies at cbass.com
Scroll down to bottom and check out articles section...

 

[Squirrel Masta]

True..If you take your amino acids prior to your cardio session on E. it wont break down muscle mass to retrieve the aminos.

The problem with cardio or any other type of training on E. Is that it works like a starving diet if your trying to loose weight. Instead of using fat for energy it redirects it to the muscles. To each his own and I can understand other people views on this, because nothing is written in stone, you just have to find out what works for you, and atleast for me I need a small meal to fuel any type of my workouts. my dos pesos

 

[Christianlifter]

Personally, I have always drank coffee in the AM and hit the gym for 20 min cardio (max) fat burner, then take protein.
IMO your not gonna burn muscle in 20 min, targeting stored body fat.

God Bless

CL

 

[OAKBOX]

What ever happened to Cals in = Cals out? Wouldn't it make sense (if you're dieting) to wait till after your workout to drink the shake?

Here's what I’ve always read about doing AM cardio: In the AM (on an empty stomach) if you do steady state lower intensity cardio, you are going to burn muscle glycogen first and then fat... However, if you do high intensity cardio (very hard on an empty stomach) you will deplete muscle glycogen then fat/muscle in disproportionate ratios, depending on the intensity and duration. So, I either do long (45min+) steady state or a very quick (20min) high intensity cardio in the AM on an empty stomach.

My $.02

 

[m0t03]

I really dont think that doin AM cardio really matters, either way your burning calories. All this talk about your burning fat since you havent eaten is BS in my opinion, do cardio whenever the hell you can fit it in to your day ;-)

Mike

 

[OAKBOX]

I asked HUCK and he said "as long as the protein drink DOES NOT have carbs, your ok to drink it pre-cardio." He explained that having carbs defeats the purpose of doing AM cadio on an empty stomach, because you want to stay in a low glycimic state after your nightly fast/rest.

 

[BigDan650dl]

If you are drinking a shake that has no carbs than go for it, but mix it with water, not milk or juice. Gotta do the cardio when the blood sugar is low, cardio with carbs will not burn fat. As far as retaining muscle, I think that you will retain you muscle just as well having your shake post cardio (directly after that is) rather than pre cardio.
Big Dan

 

[bbkingpin]

Don't you take ECA stack with the AM cardio? Doesn't this create a thermogenic environment where the fat is used first? I've found that 2g of HMB with 2-5g of L-Glutamine before the AM cardio will burn ONLY FAT and preserve ALL lean muscle.

 

[bbkingpin]

Don't you take ECA stack with the AM cardio? Doesn't this create a thermogenic environment where the fat is used first? I've found that 2g of HMB with 2-5g of L-Glutamine before the AM cardio will burn ONLY FAT and preserve ALL lean muscle.

And that is with NO juice whatsoever. Try to do the cardio regularly and THEN see if you lose strength. People are too paranoid to do cardio. Just take anti-catabolics: ECA, Clen, Glutamine, HMB, and all the illicit stuff you already are taking. You wont lose muscle -- you can't!

 

[Delinquent]

Here's an abstract I remember reading courtesy of Nandi12 over at cuttingedgemuscle.com. Thanks Nandi12.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2002 Sep;283(3):E565-72

A preexercise alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein meal preserves lipid oxidation and decreases adiposity in rats.

Bouthegourd JC, Roseau SM, Makarios-Lahham L, Leruyet PM, Tome DG, Even PC.

Unite Mixte de recherche de Physiologie de la Nutrition et du comportement alimentaire, Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon, F75231 Paris, France.

The composition of the preexercise food intake is known to affect substrate utilization during exercise and thus can affect long-term changes in body weight and composition. These parameters were measured in male rats exercised 2 h daily over 5 wk, either in the fasting state or 1 h after they ingested a meal enriched with glucose (Glc), whole milk protein (WMP), or alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein (CPalphaL). Compared with fasting, the Glc meal increased glucose oxidation and decreased lipid oxidation during and after exercise. In contrast, the WMP and CPalphaL meals preserved lipid oxidation and increased protein oxidation, the CPalphaL meal increasing protein oxidation more than the WMP meal. At the end of the study, body weight was larger in the WMP-, Glc-, and CPalphaL-fed rats than in the fasted ones. This resulted from an increased fat mass in the WMP and Glc rats and to an increased lean body mass, particularly muscles, in the CPalphaL rats. We conclude that the potential of the CPalphaL meal to preserve lipid oxidation and to rapidly deliver amino acids for use during exercise improved the efficiency of exercise training to decrease adiposity

 

[bbkingpin]

Here's an abstract I remember reading courtesy of Nandi12 over at cuttingedgemuscle.com. Thanks Nandi12.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2002 Sep;283(3):E565-72

A preexercise alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein meal preserves lipid oxidation and decreases adiposity in rats.

Bouthegourd JC, Roseau SM, Makarios-Lahham L, Leruyet PM, Tome DG, Even PC.

Unite Mixte de recherche de Physiologie de la Nutrition et du comportement alimentaire, Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon, F75231 Paris, France.

The composition of the preexercise food intake is known to affect substrate utilization during exercise and thus can affect long-term changes in body weight and composition. These parameters were measured in male rats exercised 2 h daily over 5 wk, either in the fasting state or 1 h after they ingested a meal enriched with glucose (Glc), whole milk protein (WMP), or alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein (CPalphaL). Compared with fasting, the Glc meal increased glucose oxidation and decreased lipid oxidation during and after exercise. In contrast, the WMP and CPalphaL meals preserved lipid oxidation and increased protein oxidation, the CPalphaL meal increasing protein oxidation more than the WMP meal. At the end of the study, body weight was larger in the WMP-, Glc-, and CPalphaL-fed rats than in the fasted ones. This resulted from an increased fat mass in the WMP and Glc rats and to an increased lean body mass, particularly muscles, in the CPalphaL rats. We conclude that the potential of the CPalphaL meal to preserve lipid oxidation and to rapidly deliver amino acids for use during exercise improved the efficiency of exercise training to decrease adiposity

I guess that about solves it. So much for everyone's theories.

 

[bbkingpin]

I guess that about solves it. So much for everyone's theories.

And I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[OAKBOX]

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Originally posted by Delinquent
Here's an abstract I remember reading courtesy of Nandi12 over at cuttingedgemuscle.com. Thanks Nandi12.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2002 Sep;283(3):E565-72

A preexercise alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein meal preserves lipid oxidation and decreases adiposity in rats.

Bouthegourd JC, Roseau SM, Makarios-Lahham L, Leruyet PM, Tome DG, Even PC.

Unite Mixte de recherche de Physiologie de la Nutrition et du comportement alimentaire, Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon, F75231 Paris, France.

The composition of the preexercise food intake is known to affect substrate utilization during exercise and thus can affect long-term changes in body weight and composition. These parameters were measured in male rats exercised 2 h daily over 5 wk, either in the fasting state or 1 h after they ingested a meal enriched with glucose (Glc), whole milk protein (WMP), or alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein (CPalphaL). Compared with fasting, the Glc meal increased glucose oxidation and decreased lipid oxidation during and after exercise. In contrast, the WMP and CPalphaL meals preserved lipid oxidation and increased protein oxidation, the CPalphaL meal increasing protein oxidation more than the WMP meal. At the end of the study, body weight was larger in the WMP-, Glc-, and CPalphaL-fed rats than in the fasted ones. This resulted from an increased fat mass in the WMP and Glc rats and to an increased lean body mass, particularly muscles, in the CPalphaL rats. We conclude that the potential of the CPalphaL meal to preserve lipid oxidation and to rapidly deliver amino acids for use during exercise improved the efficiency of exercise training to decrease adiposity
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Could we translate this into layman's terms... for others, though uh, not me, ya know... um, ok...

 

[plornive]

Could we translate this into layman's terms... for others, though uh, not me, ya know... um, ok...

Working out after consuming whey protein resulted in more muscle retention and nearly as much fat-burning as working out in a fasted state. Working out after consuming whey protein preserved more muscle and burned more fat than working out after consuming glucose or slowly digesting protein.

In other words, drink a whey protein shake pre-cardio, and it will only help you (as long as you still observe calories in vs. calories out). I wonder how much would be optimal.