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GymIntensity
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ya stal most likely it is from enlarged prostate. Not sure how it is supposed to be treated but for future reference I can tell you that taking saw palmetto helps maintain a healthy prostate. You can even get a good prostate formula from gnc or health food store also. Might have to check with a Doc about the prostate tho if problems are already starting.
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itlnstln said:
well i'm only 21 so I haven't tried alot of different ones, but I worked at GNC for 2 years, and there are three main ones they had. the men's saw palmetto formula, Ultra saw palmetto formula, and then the gnc men's "prostate formula" which had a little bit extra in it. so the SP Ultra or the "prostate formula" is good. the ultra and Prostate formula both have saw palmetto and then extras added like lycopene and maybe some zinc, and a couple other herbs I believe. prostate is really important and anyone in their 30's should take a prostate formula just alike a multivitamin. they say if you live long enough, every single man will get prostate cancer eventually
GymIntensity
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how old r u bro, if u dont mind me askin
GymIntensity
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....?GymIntensity said:
GymIntensity
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Cool. I would take a prostate formula just like an everyday multi for sure then 
JohnnyBeBad
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One year ago I had the same problem for about a week, then i started having terrible pains in my lower back. Turned out i had kidney stones. Might give you something else to think about.
GEEK2FREAK
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I would go see a urologist, honestly.
Prostate, bladder and what lies between is no joke.
Just dont wait till it gets too late.
Good Luck.
Prostate, bladder and what lies between is no joke.
Just dont wait till it gets too late.
Good Luck.
ortiz34 said:
Bro - the 30lbs is NOT that much to carry around on my frame.
As far as the cycle I'm on - it's done WONDERS.
Also - smarty - I'm on (3) - if you can read and know what AAS are.
I am switching from Winny to Dbol and HGH is not an AAS.
Thanks for the chime-in though,.........Pappi
Roc86
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Its prostate, probably the winstrol ... DHT derrivitive
Saw palmetto is better as a preventative/maintnence supplement. Get some Dutasteride or Finasteride, your prostate is probably already enlarged so dont bother with OTC shit at this point in time. Shrink it back down till your symptom free for a while, then considering supplementing with saw palmetto either while on cycle or all year round.
Saw palmetto is better as a preventative/maintnence supplement. Get some Dutasteride or Finasteride, your prostate is probably already enlarged so dont bother with OTC shit at this point in time. Shrink it back down till your symptom free for a while, then considering supplementing with saw palmetto either while on cycle or all year round.
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racoon_city
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have a doc check it out if you have health insurance. i think a quick check up will tell you whether your sick.
Castro_bigdog
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More reason not to use winny
tempest2003
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SAW palmento doesnt do anything for your prstate, ive said it a million times and posted all the refs but no one believes me, within the next year the info will have circulated around enough and everyone will be telling you what I am now, but untill then, take it from me, saw palmento does nothing for your prstate, proven and done. its a food supplement not a drug, thus was never evaluated by the FDA for any benneficial results. its made to supplemtns missing nutrients in a diet
Guvna
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Aging Male. 2004 Jun;7(2):155-69
Preventing diseases of the prostate in the elderly using hormones and nutriceuticals.
Comhaire F, Mahmoud A.
Ghent University Hospital, Gent, Belgium.
The prostate has only one function, namely to secrete fluid containing substances that are needed for reproduction. This requires an extremely high concentration of androgens in the tissues. Benign prostatic hypertrophy (BPH) seems to be related to the long-term exposure of the prostate to the strong androgen 5alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT) and, possibly, to estrogens. The relation between prostate cancer and androgens is suggested to be U-shaped, with both extremes of androgen concentrations being associated with increased risk of invasive cancer. In the treatment of patients with BPH, the lipidic liposterolic extracts of Serenoa repens were as effective as the pharmaceutical inhibitors of the 5alpha-reductase enzyme or alpha1-adrenergic blockers in relieving urinary symptoms. In addition to moderately inhibiting the 5alpha-reductase activity, Serenoa seems to exert anti-inflammatory and complementary cellular actions with beneficial effects on the prostate. Unlike the pharmaceutical 5alpha-reductase inhibitors, finasteride and dutasteride, Serenoa does not suppress serum PSA, facilitating the follow-up and the early detection of prostate cancer. We suggest a strategy to prevent prostate cancer that aims at providing men with partial androgen deficiency correct testosterone substitution with a sustained release buccal bio-adhesive tablet. In addition, food supplementation with extracts of Serenoa repens and a combination of the antioxidants selenium, (cis)-lycopene and natural vitamin E, together with fish oil rich in long-chain polyunsaturated essential fatty acids of the omega-3 group seems warranted. Clearly, a holistic approach including careful clinical and biological monitoring of the aging man and his prostate remains mandatory.
Prostate Actions of Saw Palmetto
Becoming Clearer
By Donald J. Brown, ND
Healthnotes Newswire (June 7, 2001)—Men taking a saw palmetto herbal combination were found to have decreased amounts of dihydrotestosterone (DHT)—a hormone linked to benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH)—in tissue samples taken from their prostates by needle biopsy.
The results of the study presented at Tuesday’s American Urological Association annual meeting in Anaheim, California and published this week in the journal Urology,1 confirm that a saw palmetto (Serenoa repens) supplement reduces levels of DHT—an action that is thought to contribute to the herb’s ability to treat mild to moderate BPH in men.
Tissue samples were obtained from the prostates of men with symptomatic BPH who had been taking a saw palmetto supplement (320 mg of saw palmetto per day combined with nettle root, pumpkin seed oil, lemon flavonoids, and vitamin A) or placebo for six months. Samples were also obtained from men with BPH who were either untreated or were taking the drug Proscar® (finasteride)—a prescription drug for BPH which is known to reduce DHT levels by inhibiting the enzyme 5-alpha reductase.
Men taking finasteride were found to have a sizable drop of 80% in prostate DHT levels compared to untreated men. By comparison, the saw palmetto supplement led to a 32% decrease in DHT levels.
While weaker than finasteride, saw palmetto’s effects on DHT were centered only in the prostate and did not affect blood levels of the hormone. Those in the finasteride group had a 70% decrease in blood levels of the hormone.
Prostate Gland and Hormones
DHT is the major male hormone in the prostate required for growth and maintenance of the gland. DHT is derived from testosterone—a conversion that occurs under the influence of the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. High levels of DHT are thought to contribute to an enlargement of the prostate and lead to BPH as men reach middle age. finasteride operates solely by inhibiting 5-alpha reductase. However, the drug is also associated with side effects, such as erectile dysfunction. The results of this study show a drop in DHT levels with saw palmetto use, which suggests but does not conclusively demonstrate 5-alpha reductase inhibition. Previous studies have indicated that saw palmetto may inhibit 5-alpha reductase.2
According to a critical review of clinical trials on saw palmetto published in 1998 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, saw palmetto is a safe and effective treatment for many of the symptoms associated with BPH.3 Affecting an estimated 50% of men over the age of 50, symptoms of BPH include weak or intermittent urine stream, painful urination, and increased frequency and urgency to urinate (especially at night).
The current study also highlights an important safety feature of saw palmetto: men taking the saw palmetto supplement had no change in blood levels of prostate-specific antigen (PSA)—an important marker used to detect prostate cancer. Drugs such as finasteride that alter PSA levels may potentially mask elevations and delay the diagnosis of prostate cancer. Saw palmetto’s lack of effect on PSA levels has been shown in previous clinical trials as well.4 5
While finasteride was a logical reference drug for evaluation of effect on DHT levels, further clinical trials are needed to compare the long-term effects of saw palmetto with the more commonly recommended class of BPH drugs known as alpha-blockers (e.g. Cardura®, Flomax®, and Hytrin®). Future studies should also determine whether the combination of ingredients used in the current study is superior to saw palmetto alone.
Before choosing to use saw palmetto supplements to treat BPH symptoms, men should discuss their condition with their urologist.
References:
1. Marks LS, Hess DL, Dorey FJ, et al. Tissue effects of saw palmetto and finasteride: Use of biopsy cores for in situ quantification of prostatic androgens. Urology 2001;57:999–1005.
2. Bayne CW, Ross M, Donnelly F, Habib FK. The selectivity and specificity of the actions of the lipido-sterolic extract of Serenoa repens (Permixon®) on the prostate. J Urol 2000;164:876–81.
3. Wilt TJ, Ishani A, Stark G, et al. Saw palmetto extracts for treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia. A systematic review. JAMA 1998;280:1604–9.
4. Carraro JC, Raynaud JP, Koch G, et al. Comparison of phytotherapy (Permixon®) with finasteride in the treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia. Prostate 1996;29:231–40.
5. Gerber GS, Zagaja GP, Bales GT, et al. Saw palmetto (Serenoa repens) in men with lower urinary tract symptoms: Effects in urodynamic parameters and voiding symptoms. Urology 1998;51:1003–7.
Physiology and Clinical Effects
Lycopene, found primarily in tomatoes, is a member of the carotenoid family—which includes beta-carotene and similar compounds found naturally in food—and has potent antioxidant capabilities.
A study conducted by Harvard researchers examined the relationship between carotenoids and the risk of prostate cancer.1 Of the carotenoids studied, only lycopene was clearly linked to protection. The men who had the greatest amounts of lycopene in their diet (6.5 mg per day or more) showed a 21% decreased risk of prostate cancer compared with those eating the least. This report suggests that lycopene may be an important tool in the prevention of prostate cancer. This study also reported that those who ate more than ten servings per week of tomato-based foods had a 35% decreased risk of prostate cancer compared with those eating less than 1.5 weekly servings. When the researchers looked at only advanced prostate cancer, the high lycopene eaters had an 86% decreased risk (although this did not reach statistical significance due to the small number of cases).
Contrary to popular opinion, research suggests that there is no preferential concentration of lycopene in prostate tissue.2 Although prostate cancer patients have been reported to have low levels of lycopene in the blood,3 and lycopene appears to be a potent inhibitor of human cancer cells in vitro ,4 evidence is conflicting concerning whether an increased intake of tomato products is protective against prostate cancer. Some studies, like the one discussed above, have reported that high consumption of tomatoes and tomato products reduces risk of prostate cancer.5 6 Other studies, however, are inconclusive,7 and some have found no protective association.8 9 10 11 12
There is some evidence that lycopene may be helpful in the treatment of prostate cancer. In a preliminary trial, 26 men with prostate cancer were randomly assigned to receive lycopene (15 mg BID) or no lycopene for three weeks before undergoing prostate surgery. Prostate tissue was then obtained during surgery and examined. Compared with the unsupplemented men, those receiving lycopene were found to have significantly less aggressive growth of cancer cells.13 In addition, a case report has been published of a 62-year-old man with advanced prostate cancer who experienced a regression of his tumor after starting 10 mg of lycopene per day and 300 mg of saw palmetto TID. As saw palmetto has not been previously associated with improvements in prostate cancer, the authors of the report attributed the response to the lycopene.14 Long-term controlled studies are needed to confirm these promising initial reports.
There is no evidence that tomato intake has any effect on benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH).
Another study found that for the 25% of people with the greatest tomato intake, the risk for cancers of the gastrointestinal tract was 30–60% lower, compared with those who ate fewer tomatoes. These reduced risks were statistically significant.15 A study of women found that the 75% who ate the least amount of tomatoes had between 3.5 and 4.7 times the risk for pre-cancerous changes of the cervix (cervical intraepithelial neoplasia).16 Other researchers have also reported evidence suggesting that high dietary lycopene may be linked to protection from cervical dysplasia.17 While preliminary evidence also links dietary lycopene with protection from breast cancer,18 another study did not find this link.19
In a review of 72 studies,20 one researcher reported 57 associations between tomato intake or blood lycopene levels and decreased risk of cancer. Of these associations, 35 were statistically significant. The benefit was strongest for prostate, lung, and stomach cancers, although protective associations were also found for cancers of the pancreas, colon, rectum, esophagus, oral cavity, breast, and cervix. Because the data were from observational studies, a cause-and-effect relationship cannot be firmly established. However, the consistently lower risk of cancer associated with higher consumption of lycopene-containing tomatoes, provides a strong foundation for further research on lycopene.
In Europe, researchers have found a statistically significant association between high dietary lycopene and a 48% lower risk of cardiovascular disease.21 Lycopene supplementation has also boosted immune function in the elderly. In that trial, 15 mg of lycopene per day increased natural killer cell activity by 28% in 12 weeks.22
Food Sources
Tomatoes and tomato-containing foods are high in lycopene. In the Harvard study, the only tomato-based food that did not correlate with protection was tomato juice. In an unblinded, controlled trial, lycopene supplementation, but not tomato juice, effectively increased the body’s lycopene stores.23 These studies suggest that the lycopene present in tomato juice is poorly absorbed. However, other research indicates that significant amounts of lycopene from tomato juice can, in fact, be absorbed.24 Other foods that contain lycopene include watermelon, pink grapefruit, and guava.
References:
1. Giovannucci E, Ascherio A, Rimm EB, et al. Intake of carotenoids and retinol in relation to risk of prostate cancer. J Natl Cancer Inst 1995;87:1767–76.
2. Kristal AR, Cohen JH. Invited commentary: tomatoes, lycopene, and prostate cancer. How strong is the evidence? Am J Epidemiol 2000;151:124–7 [review, discussion 128–30].
3. Rao AV, Fleshner N, Agarwal S. Serum and tissue lycopene and biomarkers of oxidation in prostate cancer patients: a case-control study. Nutr Cancer 1999;33:159–64.
4. Levy J, Bosin E, Feldman B, et al. Lycopene is a more potent inhibitory of human cancer cell proliferation than either alpha-carotene or beta-carotene. Nutr Cancer 1995;24:257–66.
5. Mills PK, Beeson WL, Phillips RL, Fraser GE. Cohort study of diet, lifestyle, and prostate cancer in Adventist men. Cancer 1989;64:598–604.
6. Tzonou A, Signorello LB, Lagiou P, et al. Diet and cancer of the prostate: a case-control study in Greece. Int J Cancer 1999;80:704–8.
7. Norrish AE, Jackson RT, Sharpe SJ, Skeaff CM. Prostate cancer and dietary carotenoids. Am J Epidemiol 2000;151:119–23.
8. Deneo H-Pellegrini H, De Stefani E, Ronco A, Mendilaharsu M. Foods, nutrients and prostate cancer: a case-control study in Uruguay. Br J Cancer 1999;80:591–7.
9. Schuman L, Mandel J, Radke A. Some selected features of the epidemiology of prostate cancer: Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota case-control study, 1976–1979. In: Magnus K (ed). Trends in cancer incidence: causes and implications. Washington, DC: Hemisphere Publishing Corporation, 1982, 345–54.
10. Key TJ, Silcocks PB, Davey GK, et al. A case-control study of diet and prostate cancer. Br J Cancer 1997;76:678–87.
11. Schuurman AG, Goldbohm RA, Dorant E, et al. Vegetable and fruit consumption and prostate cancer risk: a cohort study in The Netherlands. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 1998;7:673–80.
12. Hennekens CH, Buring JE, Manson JE, et al. Lack of effect of long-term supplementation with beta carotene on the incidence of malignant neoplasms and cardiovascular disease. N Engl J Med 1996;334:1145–9.
13. Kucuk O, Sarkar FH, Sakr W, et al. Phase II randomized clinical trial of lycopene supplementation before radical prostatectomy. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2001;10:861–8.
14. Matlaga BR, Hall MC, Stindt D, Torti FM. Response of hormone refractory prostate cancer to lycopene. J Urol 2001;166:613.
15. Franceshci S, Bidoli E, La Vecchia C, et al. Tomatoes and risk of digestive-tract cancers. Int J Cancer 1994;59:181–4.
16. Van Eenwyk J, Davis FG, Bowne PE. Dietary and serum carotenoids and cervical intraepithelial neoplasia. Int J Cancer 1991;48:34–8.
17. Kanetsky PA, Gammon MD, Mandelblatt J, et al. Dietary intake and blood levels of lycopene: association with cervical dysplasia among non-hispanic, black women. Nutr Cancer 1998;31:31–40.
18. Dorgan JF, Sowell A, Swanson CA, et al. Relationships of serum carotenoids, retinol, alpha-tocopherol, and selenium with breast cancer risk: results from a prospective study in Columbia, Missouri. Cancer Causes Control 1998;9:89–97.
19. Jarvinen R, Knekt P, Seppanen R, Teppo L. Diet and breast cancer in a cohort of Finnish women. Cancer Lett 1997;114:251–3.
20. Giovannucci E. Tomatoes, tomato-based products, lycopene, and cancer: review of the epidemiologic literature. J Natl Cancer Inst 1999;91:317–31.
21. Kohlmeyer L, Kark JD, Gomez-Gracia E, et al. Lycopene and myocardial infarction risk in the EUROMIC study. Am J Epidemiol 1997;146:618–26.
22. Corridan BM, O’Donohue MP, Morrissey PA. Carotenoids and immune response in elderly people. Proc Nutr Soc 1998;57:3A [abstr].
23. Paetau I, Rao D, Wiley ER, et al. Carotenoids in human buccal mucosa cells after 4 wk of supplementation with tomato juice or lycopene supplements. Am J Clin Nutr 1999;70:490–4.
24. Paetau I, Khachik F, Brown ED, et al. Chronic ingestion of lycopene-rich tomato juice or lycopene supplements significantly increases plasma concentrations of lycopene and related tomato carotenoids in humans. Am J Clin Nutr 1998;68:1187–95.
on cycle for prostate health I use:
30mg lycopene
1mg finasteride 320mg saw palmetto
Preventing diseases of the prostate in the elderly using hormones and nutriceuticals.
Comhaire F, Mahmoud A.
Ghent University Hospital, Gent, Belgium.
The prostate has only one function, namely to secrete fluid containing substances that are needed for reproduction. This requires an extremely high concentration of androgens in the tissues. Benign prostatic hypertrophy (BPH) seems to be related to the long-term exposure of the prostate to the strong androgen 5alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT) and, possibly, to estrogens. The relation between prostate cancer and androgens is suggested to be U-shaped, with both extremes of androgen concentrations being associated with increased risk of invasive cancer. In the treatment of patients with BPH, the lipidic liposterolic extracts of Serenoa repens were as effective as the pharmaceutical inhibitors of the 5alpha-reductase enzyme or alpha1-adrenergic blockers in relieving urinary symptoms. In addition to moderately inhibiting the 5alpha-reductase activity, Serenoa seems to exert anti-inflammatory and complementary cellular actions with beneficial effects on the prostate. Unlike the pharmaceutical 5alpha-reductase inhibitors, finasteride and dutasteride, Serenoa does not suppress serum PSA, facilitating the follow-up and the early detection of prostate cancer. We suggest a strategy to prevent prostate cancer that aims at providing men with partial androgen deficiency correct testosterone substitution with a sustained release buccal bio-adhesive tablet. In addition, food supplementation with extracts of Serenoa repens and a combination of the antioxidants selenium, (cis)-lycopene and natural vitamin E, together with fish oil rich in long-chain polyunsaturated essential fatty acids of the omega-3 group seems warranted. Clearly, a holistic approach including careful clinical and biological monitoring of the aging man and his prostate remains mandatory.
Prostate Actions of Saw Palmetto
Becoming Clearer
By Donald J. Brown, ND
Healthnotes Newswire (June 7, 2001)—Men taking a saw palmetto herbal combination were found to have decreased amounts of dihydrotestosterone (DHT)—a hormone linked to benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH)—in tissue samples taken from their prostates by needle biopsy.
The results of the study presented at Tuesday’s American Urological Association annual meeting in Anaheim, California and published this week in the journal Urology,1 confirm that a saw palmetto (Serenoa repens) supplement reduces levels of DHT—an action that is thought to contribute to the herb’s ability to treat mild to moderate BPH in men.
Tissue samples were obtained from the prostates of men with symptomatic BPH who had been taking a saw palmetto supplement (320 mg of saw palmetto per day combined with nettle root, pumpkin seed oil, lemon flavonoids, and vitamin A) or placebo for six months. Samples were also obtained from men with BPH who were either untreated or were taking the drug Proscar® (finasteride)—a prescription drug for BPH which is known to reduce DHT levels by inhibiting the enzyme 5-alpha reductase.
Men taking finasteride were found to have a sizable drop of 80% in prostate DHT levels compared to untreated men. By comparison, the saw palmetto supplement led to a 32% decrease in DHT levels.
While weaker than finasteride, saw palmetto’s effects on DHT were centered only in the prostate and did not affect blood levels of the hormone. Those in the finasteride group had a 70% decrease in blood levels of the hormone.
Prostate Gland and Hormones
DHT is the major male hormone in the prostate required for growth and maintenance of the gland. DHT is derived from testosterone—a conversion that occurs under the influence of the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. High levels of DHT are thought to contribute to an enlargement of the prostate and lead to BPH as men reach middle age. finasteride operates solely by inhibiting 5-alpha reductase. However, the drug is also associated with side effects, such as erectile dysfunction. The results of this study show a drop in DHT levels with saw palmetto use, which suggests but does not conclusively demonstrate 5-alpha reductase inhibition. Previous studies have indicated that saw palmetto may inhibit 5-alpha reductase.2
According to a critical review of clinical trials on saw palmetto published in 1998 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, saw palmetto is a safe and effective treatment for many of the symptoms associated with BPH.3 Affecting an estimated 50% of men over the age of 50, symptoms of BPH include weak or intermittent urine stream, painful urination, and increased frequency and urgency to urinate (especially at night).
The current study also highlights an important safety feature of saw palmetto: men taking the saw palmetto supplement had no change in blood levels of prostate-specific antigen (PSA)—an important marker used to detect prostate cancer. Drugs such as finasteride that alter PSA levels may potentially mask elevations and delay the diagnosis of prostate cancer. Saw palmetto’s lack of effect on PSA levels has been shown in previous clinical trials as well.4 5
While finasteride was a logical reference drug for evaluation of effect on DHT levels, further clinical trials are needed to compare the long-term effects of saw palmetto with the more commonly recommended class of BPH drugs known as alpha-blockers (e.g. Cardura®, Flomax®, and Hytrin®). Future studies should also determine whether the combination of ingredients used in the current study is superior to saw palmetto alone.
Before choosing to use saw palmetto supplements to treat BPH symptoms, men should discuss their condition with their urologist.
References:
1. Marks LS, Hess DL, Dorey FJ, et al. Tissue effects of saw palmetto and finasteride: Use of biopsy cores for in situ quantification of prostatic androgens. Urology 2001;57:999–1005.
2. Bayne CW, Ross M, Donnelly F, Habib FK. The selectivity and specificity of the actions of the lipido-sterolic extract of Serenoa repens (Permixon®) on the prostate. J Urol 2000;164:876–81.
3. Wilt TJ, Ishani A, Stark G, et al. Saw palmetto extracts for treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia. A systematic review. JAMA 1998;280:1604–9.
4. Carraro JC, Raynaud JP, Koch G, et al. Comparison of phytotherapy (Permixon®) with finasteride in the treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia. Prostate 1996;29:231–40.
5. Gerber GS, Zagaja GP, Bales GT, et al. Saw palmetto (Serenoa repens) in men with lower urinary tract symptoms: Effects in urodynamic parameters and voiding symptoms. Urology 1998;51:1003–7.
Physiology and Clinical Effects
Lycopene, found primarily in tomatoes, is a member of the carotenoid family—which includes beta-carotene and similar compounds found naturally in food—and has potent antioxidant capabilities.
A study conducted by Harvard researchers examined the relationship between carotenoids and the risk of prostate cancer.1 Of the carotenoids studied, only lycopene was clearly linked to protection. The men who had the greatest amounts of lycopene in their diet (6.5 mg per day or more) showed a 21% decreased risk of prostate cancer compared with those eating the least. This report suggests that lycopene may be an important tool in the prevention of prostate cancer. This study also reported that those who ate more than ten servings per week of tomato-based foods had a 35% decreased risk of prostate cancer compared with those eating less than 1.5 weekly servings. When the researchers looked at only advanced prostate cancer, the high lycopene eaters had an 86% decreased risk (although this did not reach statistical significance due to the small number of cases).
Contrary to popular opinion, research suggests that there is no preferential concentration of lycopene in prostate tissue.2 Although prostate cancer patients have been reported to have low levels of lycopene in the blood,3 and lycopene appears to be a potent inhibitor of human cancer cells in vitro ,4 evidence is conflicting concerning whether an increased intake of tomato products is protective against prostate cancer. Some studies, like the one discussed above, have reported that high consumption of tomatoes and tomato products reduces risk of prostate cancer.5 6 Other studies, however, are inconclusive,7 and some have found no protective association.8 9 10 11 12
There is some evidence that lycopene may be helpful in the treatment of prostate cancer. In a preliminary trial, 26 men with prostate cancer were randomly assigned to receive lycopene (15 mg BID) or no lycopene for three weeks before undergoing prostate surgery. Prostate tissue was then obtained during surgery and examined. Compared with the unsupplemented men, those receiving lycopene were found to have significantly less aggressive growth of cancer cells.13 In addition, a case report has been published of a 62-year-old man with advanced prostate cancer who experienced a regression of his tumor after starting 10 mg of lycopene per day and 300 mg of saw palmetto TID. As saw palmetto has not been previously associated with improvements in prostate cancer, the authors of the report attributed the response to the lycopene.14 Long-term controlled studies are needed to confirm these promising initial reports.
There is no evidence that tomato intake has any effect on benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH).
Another study found that for the 25% of people with the greatest tomato intake, the risk for cancers of the gastrointestinal tract was 30–60% lower, compared with those who ate fewer tomatoes. These reduced risks were statistically significant.15 A study of women found that the 75% who ate the least amount of tomatoes had between 3.5 and 4.7 times the risk for pre-cancerous changes of the cervix (cervical intraepithelial neoplasia).16 Other researchers have also reported evidence suggesting that high dietary lycopene may be linked to protection from cervical dysplasia.17 While preliminary evidence also links dietary lycopene with protection from breast cancer,18 another study did not find this link.19
In a review of 72 studies,20 one researcher reported 57 associations between tomato intake or blood lycopene levels and decreased risk of cancer. Of these associations, 35 were statistically significant. The benefit was strongest for prostate, lung, and stomach cancers, although protective associations were also found for cancers of the pancreas, colon, rectum, esophagus, oral cavity, breast, and cervix. Because the data were from observational studies, a cause-and-effect relationship cannot be firmly established. However, the consistently lower risk of cancer associated with higher consumption of lycopene-containing tomatoes, provides a strong foundation for further research on lycopene.
In Europe, researchers have found a statistically significant association between high dietary lycopene and a 48% lower risk of cardiovascular disease.21 Lycopene supplementation has also boosted immune function in the elderly. In that trial, 15 mg of lycopene per day increased natural killer cell activity by 28% in 12 weeks.22
Food Sources
Tomatoes and tomato-containing foods are high in lycopene. In the Harvard study, the only tomato-based food that did not correlate with protection was tomato juice. In an unblinded, controlled trial, lycopene supplementation, but not tomato juice, effectively increased the body’s lycopene stores.23 These studies suggest that the lycopene present in tomato juice is poorly absorbed. However, other research indicates that significant amounts of lycopene from tomato juice can, in fact, be absorbed.24 Other foods that contain lycopene include watermelon, pink grapefruit, and guava.
References:
1. Giovannucci E, Ascherio A, Rimm EB, et al. Intake of carotenoids and retinol in relation to risk of prostate cancer. J Natl Cancer Inst 1995;87:1767–76.
2. Kristal AR, Cohen JH. Invited commentary: tomatoes, lycopene, and prostate cancer. How strong is the evidence? Am J Epidemiol 2000;151:124–7 [review, discussion 128–30].
3. Rao AV, Fleshner N, Agarwal S. Serum and tissue lycopene and biomarkers of oxidation in prostate cancer patients: a case-control study. Nutr Cancer 1999;33:159–64.
4. Levy J, Bosin E, Feldman B, et al. Lycopene is a more potent inhibitory of human cancer cell proliferation than either alpha-carotene or beta-carotene. Nutr Cancer 1995;24:257–66.
5. Mills PK, Beeson WL, Phillips RL, Fraser GE. Cohort study of diet, lifestyle, and prostate cancer in Adventist men. Cancer 1989;64:598–604.
6. Tzonou A, Signorello LB, Lagiou P, et al. Diet and cancer of the prostate: a case-control study in Greece. Int J Cancer 1999;80:704–8.
7. Norrish AE, Jackson RT, Sharpe SJ, Skeaff CM. Prostate cancer and dietary carotenoids. Am J Epidemiol 2000;151:119–23.
8. Deneo H-Pellegrini H, De Stefani E, Ronco A, Mendilaharsu M. Foods, nutrients and prostate cancer: a case-control study in Uruguay. Br J Cancer 1999;80:591–7.
9. Schuman L, Mandel J, Radke A. Some selected features of the epidemiology of prostate cancer: Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota case-control study, 1976–1979. In: Magnus K (ed). Trends in cancer incidence: causes and implications. Washington, DC: Hemisphere Publishing Corporation, 1982, 345–54.
10. Key TJ, Silcocks PB, Davey GK, et al. A case-control study of diet and prostate cancer. Br J Cancer 1997;76:678–87.
11. Schuurman AG, Goldbohm RA, Dorant E, et al. Vegetable and fruit consumption and prostate cancer risk: a cohort study in The Netherlands. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 1998;7:673–80.
12. Hennekens CH, Buring JE, Manson JE, et al. Lack of effect of long-term supplementation with beta carotene on the incidence of malignant neoplasms and cardiovascular disease. N Engl J Med 1996;334:1145–9.
13. Kucuk O, Sarkar FH, Sakr W, et al. Phase II randomized clinical trial of lycopene supplementation before radical prostatectomy. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2001;10:861–8.
14. Matlaga BR, Hall MC, Stindt D, Torti FM. Response of hormone refractory prostate cancer to lycopene. J Urol 2001;166:613.
15. Franceshci S, Bidoli E, La Vecchia C, et al. Tomatoes and risk of digestive-tract cancers. Int J Cancer 1994;59:181–4.
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on cycle for prostate health I use:
30mg lycopene
1mg finasteride 320mg saw palmetto
Guvna
New member
and dont forget your anti-E
ESTROGEN AND PROSTATE CANCER
Report #6731 2/16/96
All men will develop prostate cancer if they live long enough. Several recent studies show that a man's susceptibility to prostate cancer may be influenced more by his exposure to the female hormone, estrogen, than to the male hormone, testosterone.
A derivative of the male hormone, testosterone, stimulates the prostate to grow, but a recent article in the medical journal, Prostate, suggests that it does this only after the prostate has been sensitized by the female hormone, estrogen. (1) Men with the highest blood levels of estrogen are the ones most likely to get prostate cancer (2). Blood levels of the male hormones, testosterone and dihydrotestosterone, produced by a man's body are not associated with susceptibility to suffer prostate cancer (2). Prostate cancer is not associated with frequency of sexual activity and there is no evidence that it is caused by taking male hormones or an infection. Athletes who take large doses of male hormones have not been shown to be at increased risk for prostate cancer.
A high fat, low-vegetable diet is associated with an increased risk for prostate cancer, and a low-fat diet that is rich in fruits, vegetables, whole grains and beans is associated with protection against this cancer (3). A study in the British journal, Lancet, shows plant sterols help to shrink an enlarged prostate at least as much as Proscar does, and when given to humans, plant sterols block some of the effects of the female hormone, estrogen.(4) So, eat a low-fat diet that contains fruits, vegetables, whole grains and beans that are rich sources of sterols and other phytochemicals to block human estrogens and oxidant reactions in the body.
By Gabe Mirkin, M.D., for CBS Radio News
1) WE Farnsworth. Roles of estrogen and SHBG in prostate physiology. Prostate 28: 1 (JAN 1996):17-23.
2) Scandinavian Journal of Urology and Nephrology. 1995(March);29(1):65-68.
3) Whitmore AS et al. Journal of the National Cancer Institute 1995;87:654-661.
4) Berges RR et al. Randomized, placebo-controlled double blind clinical trial of B-sitosterol in patients with benign prostatic hyperplasia. Lancet 1995(June 17);345:1529-1532.
ESTROGEN AND PROSTATE CANCER
Report #6731 2/16/96
All men will develop prostate cancer if they live long enough. Several recent studies show that a man's susceptibility to prostate cancer may be influenced more by his exposure to the female hormone, estrogen, than to the male hormone, testosterone.
A derivative of the male hormone, testosterone, stimulates the prostate to grow, but a recent article in the medical journal, Prostate, suggests that it does this only after the prostate has been sensitized by the female hormone, estrogen. (1) Men with the highest blood levels of estrogen are the ones most likely to get prostate cancer (2). Blood levels of the male hormones, testosterone and dihydrotestosterone, produced by a man's body are not associated with susceptibility to suffer prostate cancer (2). Prostate cancer is not associated with frequency of sexual activity and there is no evidence that it is caused by taking male hormones or an infection. Athletes who take large doses of male hormones have not been shown to be at increased risk for prostate cancer.
A high fat, low-vegetable diet is associated with an increased risk for prostate cancer, and a low-fat diet that is rich in fruits, vegetables, whole grains and beans is associated with protection against this cancer (3). A study in the British journal, Lancet, shows plant sterols help to shrink an enlarged prostate at least as much as Proscar does, and when given to humans, plant sterols block some of the effects of the female hormone, estrogen.(4) So, eat a low-fat diet that contains fruits, vegetables, whole grains and beans that are rich sources of sterols and other phytochemicals to block human estrogens and oxidant reactions in the body.
By Gabe Mirkin, M.D., for CBS Radio News
1) WE Farnsworth. Roles of estrogen and SHBG in prostate physiology. Prostate 28: 1 (JAN 1996):17-23.
2) Scandinavian Journal of Urology and Nephrology. 1995(March);29(1):65-68.
3) Whitmore AS et al. Journal of the National Cancer Institute 1995;87:654-661.
4) Berges RR et al. Randomized, placebo-controlled double blind clinical trial of B-sitosterol in patients with benign prostatic hyperplasia. Lancet 1995(June 17);345:1529-1532.
mr. snakes
New member
itlnstln said:
Dutasteride...............................
ruastonerfocker
New member
Avodart bro,good for hair too.Google it,my doc prescribed it to me.Good Shit!
deezknuckles
New member
Stallion,
I suggest that you see an MD (your primary care physician is fine) and get your prostate gland checked out. I know it sucks taking a digit from yer doc but this is something that you want to catch early. Finding out that you are prone to prostatic hyperplasia (or something worse) tends to be VERY manageable at 33, don't wait until you are 45-50 to learn about an abnormal DRE (digital rectal exam) result if you think that there is a problem.
Also, if your wife is pregnant and you are on finasteride, keep her away from pills and your semen as finasteride kills fetuses.
Good luck.
I suggest that you see an MD (your primary care physician is fine) and get your prostate gland checked out. I know it sucks taking a digit from yer doc but this is something that you want to catch early. Finding out that you are prone to prostatic hyperplasia (or something worse) tends to be VERY manageable at 33, don't wait until you are 45-50 to learn about an abnormal DRE (digital rectal exam) result if you think that there is a problem.
Also, if your wife is pregnant and you are on finasteride, keep her away from pills and your semen as finasteride kills fetuses.
Good luck.
Quiltie
New member
BTW, taking Finasteride while on a DHT based steroid is counter-productive. Itlnstln, the worst prostate problems for me are when I have taken Adipex(phentermine). It immediately makes me feel like I have to piss constantly but when I try, it takes forever. Winny has done that to me to a lesser extent. Switch it up...
njmuscleguy
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Hey itstaln.... you really should go to a doctor to check yourself out... could be the prostate..could be stones.... my uncle actually just collapsed this weekend as a result of stones.... he said he'd have the urge to urinate and then just couldn't... then the agonizing pains came... yah, it's easy to self-diagnose and stop taking winny.... but it's not fool-proof.... it's your health!
