proposed sust/tren/winny cycle. opinions please...

[athlete0185]

weeks 1-12: sustaton 250 e3d. equals out to about 600 mgs a week total (30 amps total needed).

weeks 9-14 and 5/7 (dosages equal out that way): tren 50 mg ED

weeks 9-14 and 5/7 (dosages equal out that way): winny tabs 50 mg ED

nolva on hand, clomid pct starting day after ending tren and winny (3 weeks past last sust shot).

just kinda thought this out in my head and i said...hey i kinda like the idea of this. no ED pokes until week 9, and take advantage of the short acting esters in the sust. expecting great gains off the sust, and looking to lean out towards the end, add some strength, harden up, and drop a little BF, even though i dont really need to at 12% right now.

opinions?

 

[40butpumpin]

weeks 1-12: sustaton 250 e3d. equals out to about 600 mgs a week total (30 amps total needed).

weeks 9-14 and 5/7 (dosages equal out that way): tren 50 mg ED

weeks 9-14 and 5/7 (dosages equal out that way): winny tabs 50 mg ED

nolva on hand, clomid pct starting day after ending tren and winny (3 weeks past last sust shot).

just kinda thought this out in my head and i said...hey i kinda like the idea of this. no ED pokes until week 9, and take advantage of the short acting esters in the sust. expecting great gains off the sust, and looking to lean out towards the end, add some strength, harden up, and drop a little BF, even though i dont really need to at 12% right now.

opinions?

well, look at it this way...you stop the sust at week 12, with 3 or 4 weeks of tren under your belt at that point...you feel great but your balls are no longer functioning and you continue to use the tren for two more weeks through week 14, approximately 3.5 months on cycle. clomid is not going to kick your balls back into to production so at week 15 or 16 you essentially have ZERO testosterone in you. saying you feel like shit would be the understatement of your life. you don't plan using any HCG so i can't understand how you plan on turning your own production on again. also, unless you're very lucky, you're going to need at least some arimidex to keep off the bloat. sust is great stuff, imo the best test to use, but imo it requires an anti-e, especially at the dose you're going to be using. i would get arimidex, HCG and do the following...

1-12: sust
1-5: tren
7-12: winny
HCG: weeks 6, 9, 12-13 (week 6 and 9 is 3 days of 1000iu ed and 12-13 is 500iu ed for 2 entire weeks)
arimidex: .5mg eod (adjust as you feel it's required)

this way, when you come off the tren you immediately remind your balls that you still love and need them and then you remind them again at week 9 and then once more weeks 12 through 13 and at that time they need to come back completely.

but good luck with whatever you decide bro.

 

[athlete0185]

thanks ill probably do it like that...i was just thinking of the whole running the tren and winny past the test so i could go right into pct (with the whole 3 weeks after the last shot thing)..but i didnt even think of my balls. they are angry now.

 

[JuicePimp]

LOL, you dont want them to be angry with you.

 

[40butpumpin]

i should have made clear that you start the HCG during your last week on sust. in other words, overlap the first week of HCG with the last week of sust (week 12).

 

[Slyder190]

IF he crashes from the Tren or IF he has a major shutdown, either way, it could happen. Most people run tren out to the same time that test or winny ar var or anything else. What's the difference? I would tell him to run the Winny and Tren from weeks 10-15 if anything. HCG may be a good idea. I'd rather see him use Cyp or Enan though. Prop would be best to use over-all though. Or he could run it the last weeks of cycle. As 40 points out stopping tren while coming off Sus for 3 weeks may not be so great. I see what you're sayin 40. Yeah, definatley prop then either way.

 

[Trickie]

40but pumpin.... I always thought that HCG started after the Sus was out of the body ie 3 weeks later....is that when you would start clomid then?

 

[40butpumpin]

40but pumpin.... I always thought that HCG started after the Sus was out of the body ie 3 weeks later....is that when you would start clomid then?

the idea is to not leave yourself 'naked' (without any test) for any period of time. the hcg should be started when the test is on the decline in your body (but not completely out) which would then force your balls to pick up where the exogenous test is leaving off. i would time the clomid therapy past the half-life of sust which is 15-18 days (i didn't realize this at first) and after two weeks of hcg. in other words you take your last shot of sust, one week later you start the hcg and continue for two weeks, then, at the beginning of the 3rd week start clomid therapy. clomid is then: 300mg on day 1, 100mg for 10 days after that, and then 50mg for 10 days after that. this is what i've gathered is the optimum way to use clomid. i'm sorry i didn't realize the half-life of sust was as long as it is. so the only thing i would do different is add hcg into the mix. sorry for any confusion guys.

 

[athlete0185]

ok ok so what if i went...

weeks 1-10: sust 250, 2 shots each week. (500 mgs total)
weeks 11-13: prop 50 mg ED
weeks 5-13: tren 50 mg ED
weeks 5-13: winny tabs 50 mg ED

nolva on hand, might get some l-dex, and of course clomid pct starting 3 days after last shot