Prop,Tren, D-bol cycle questions

[Dynamo]

I plan on doing in the near future a prop, tren, and dbol cycle.

A little history:

I made it to 219 naturally at 5'11", been training for well over 10 years. Earlier this year I did my first cycle consisting of Omna 250mg wks 1-10 and dbol 20mg ed wks 1-6. went to 240lbs bodywt. Used arimidex at .5 mg ed and propecia 1mg ed. Also used Milkthistle, Ala, Nac, glutamine, multi vite, saw palmetto, msm/glucosamine.

As a side note: I had cholesterol and liver values checked after this cycle and they were better than my tests prior to starting cycle. I also had a few nagging injuries from the heavy lifting I do ( lots of deadlifts and squats) that were completely healed by this cycle. I'm looking forward to this 2nd cycle, because although I prepared for the the first, I learned alot about how my body reacts and I know I will do an even better job the 2nd time around. I can't wait!!!!!!!

I plan on using the prop with the tren since I'll be shooting the tren eod and I should have more stable test levels. I should be able to start clomid therapy soon after the last shots.(3 days after last injection) I'll also be using all of the above supplements for protection. I've had a physical and will be getting blood work done.

I'm not sure which is the best cycle to go with, I've heard alot of different things.

Goals: Size, strength, quality muscle gains and losing some fat.

Which will give me the best gains in size & strength, quality and be the safest?

example 1:

Prop 100mg eod wks 1-8
tren 75mg eod wks 1-8
dbol 20mg ed wks 1-6
arimidex 1mg ed

example 2:

Prop 100mg eod wks 1-10
dbol 20mg ed wks 1-6
tren 75mg eod wks 4-10
arimidex 1mg ed

example 3:

Prop 100mg eod wks 1-6
dbol 20mg ed wks 1-6
tren 75 mg eod wks 1-6

clomid therapy wks 7-9

prop 100mg eod wks 10-14
tren 75 mg eod wks 10-14

clomid therapy wks 15-18
arimidex 1mg ed wks 1-18

I'm leaning towards example 2 and 3 but would like more feedback and why one is better over another from those that are experienced.

1. What would the differences be in size, strength, quality and keepability of gains, by doing each cycle?

2. Are there advantages of one over the other or is there really no difference?

3. I know some steroids lose their effect over a certain time period I also understand fina can shut you down hard, therefore i've included example 3 thinking that you may still be able to make gains in the 2nd part of the cycle by taking 3 weeks off and giving your body a chance to get back to a normal state. Is there a better way/ cycle for me?

thanks for your time.

 

[Dynamo]

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[Burgboy]

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[zyphen]

Questions about anabolics

I have been working out for about 2 years now. I just havent been seeing the resluts that I would like to see. What kind of anabolics can I do to get bigger faster? Please let me know which anabloics are the best for the money, and cycling info. Thanks

 

[stonecold54]

first of all very good post dynamo, we rarely see well thought out posts and we rag on a lot of people for stupid posts such as the one that zyphen just wrote, I don't have time to answer completely as I have to go out the door but will try to write later.

 

[StoneColdGold]

well i'm about to start a fina/prop cycle, and i too have heard of the difficulty coming off of fina. therefore i would eliminate any possibility that has you ending your cycle with fina.

i like example 3 except for the break and re-start. I don't think that window is going to do anything for you in terms of getting your HPTA back in order. Looks to me like maybe it would just end up delay your recovery.???

I plan on running this:

Prop 1-10 (100mg ED)
Fina 1-6 (75 ED)

Clomid during and after cycle. Nolva after cycle.

This way I have four weeks off of fina while still going strong with the prop. When I finally cut the prop out after week 10, I'll be trying to recover just from the prop and not the fina as well. I toyed with the idea of adding some d-bol. I think a good place for it would be weeks 5-8. It would perhaps help jumpstart the middle of your cycle when gains typically falter, plus it would alleviate any potential "crash" (as much as you can have one while using prop) that might occur mid-cycle when you cut out the fina. Again, you'd still have 2 weeks of JUST prop at the end after cutting out the d-bol week 8.

 

[PatBateman]

Well, it looks from your cycles like you would rather do eod injections, and that's fine, not optimal but ok. Try this, a bit unconventional with where the dbol is but I think you will like it:

tren 75mg eod weeks 1-6
prop 100mg eod weeks 1-9
dbol 30mg ed weeks 6-10


I don't think you need the dbol "jumpstart" here, if anything taking the dbol after the fina ebbs from your system will help any letdown from that and complement the last few weeks of prop well.

 

[MR. BMJ]

I'd start all 3 at the same time. End the d-bol in 6, the fina in 8, and the test in 10. Then start post cycle recovery plan.

I like running my test for a few weeks past the stoppage of my tren. It doesn't help with recovery, but it will help a little with sex drive and catabolism (sort of).

BMJ

BTW...nice post and layout!

 

[akathegame]

My attention span is short tonight bro, so I didn't read the questions you had after the cycles too closely, but I got the feel from the cycle examples, none of which would do you wrong. I'd definitely go with a tweaked version of the 3rd.

I'd run the first 6 weeks like you had with the 100 prop and 20 dbol, but drop the tren. No need for more andro bro, you'lll be packing on the size. Here's my twist though to make up for the drop. I imagine the 7-9 weeks are to try to give your nat. test a boost. Instead, on 7-9 I'd still run the prop and run some HCG both weeks to kick start your nuts. You'll love the strength gains too! I'd extend weeks 10-14 to a 6 week run at the levels you had for the prop and tren. This will keep the gains coming and cut some water you'll be carrying from the test/dbol/hcg(hcg will really bloat you!). Clomid therapy weeks 16-19 as planned. Arimidex is a must for estro protection and cuz we all love looking dense and dry. This is my kinda cycle. I've seen your posts before bro and you know a thing or two. I probably don't have to tell you, but concerns over long cycles are blown way outta proportion. This will be 19 weeks, but you're ready for it and its not too harsh at all. Monitor you body and get blood work if you have any real concerns. Also, don't be afraid to play with dosages mid-cycle according to gains and how you feel. Let me know what you think and I'll be glad to bounce ideas with you. These gear choices are where its at. Enjoy. Out.

 

[Dynamo]

I've been away from the board all weekend, just getting back to this now. Thanks to everyone who replied.

I'd still like some feedback on anyone's experiences (the size, strength, keepability of gains) from different cycle patterns they ran. Is there a optimal pattern to run with prop, tren, and dbol? What are somethings you did or plan on doing your next cycle to make it better?


Akathegame---

I like the idea running the prop and dbol for the first 6 weeks (size and strength) then moving to prop and tren( strength, size and hopefully leaning out a little after the dbol) keeping the gains coming for the 2nd half of the cycle.

I noticed during my first cycle, after I finished my 6th week of dbol my body wt started to drop (water) and my strength stayed the same on my bench press. But because I didn't have the intense back pumps, I was able to hit my legs more intensly and made greater gains in my squat and deadlift the 2nd half the last 4-6 weeks. I used omna and started clomid therapy 2 weeks after my last shot. But this was only a guess that the omna was out of my system. I never felt comfortable about when to start the clomid so I started sooner rather than later. After my last injection, I started tribulus and ZMA and ran this up until and along with my clomid therapy, and continued to run the tribulus and ZMA until I was finished with the bottles. I can't be sure if the tribulus or ZMA helped at all but I figured what the hell it can't hurt.

With this next cycle I want to make gains thoughout the entire length of the cycle then get off immediately and start my clomid therapy. I read some posts that suggested that clomid can be used every 2nd or 3rd week of the cycle at 100mg for 3 days throughout, to help with your hpta and crashing too hard?? anyone try this?

BMJ--Have you ran the cycle your describing if so what were your gains like and keepability of gains?

thanks.