prohormones vs AS? comparison?

[hunter1]

Hi,
I just started my cycle of a tesosterone blend and deca, and this is my first cycle. Has anyone notice a big difference between taking AS and prohormones? Size, strength and endurance? I have taken boldione and 1 test from molecular nutrition and gained a good 10 to 12lbs. Just wanted to know if the results are the same.

thanks

 

[roidpuple]

pro hormones suck ass they are bull shit

 

[stuck]

Hi,
I just started my cycle of a tesosterone blend and deca, and this is my first cycle. Has anyone notice a big difference between taking AS and prohormones? Size, strength and endurance? I have taken boldione and 1 test from molecular nutrition and gained a good 10 to 12lbs. Just wanted to know if the results are the same.

thanks

Seems to me you should have asked that before you started the cycle? Does it really matter now?

To answer your question, no, they're not the same. Do you have your PCT ready?

 

[hunter1]

Well, I was just curious if anyone had tried both AS and prohormones and yes I have a PCT, HCG ,clomid and arimdex on hand.

thanks

 

[roidpuple]

i got a bunch of them and took like 10 times the dose my friend and I to see..
nothing... what a waste of fucking money??? i use to waste my money on such shit... i hate to see guys doing that... I try to tell as many as i can.... month later ordered my fina kit... and have moved on from there..
If you want steroid effects you fuckin need to use steroids... sucks but so true...

 

[TheRide]

Seems to me you should have asked that before you started the cycle? Does it really matter now?

To answer your question, no, they're not the same. Do you have your PCT ready?

Seriously... do you buy a car and then ask for reviews on it?

As for your're question... there is no comparison... you are comparing applesranges.

 

[javaguru]

First, the term pro-hormone/pro-steroid is a misnomer and marketing term used by supplement companies, they were until recently legal OTC steroids. If I could only use one steroid it would be test, hands down. If someone would give me an unlimited supply of only two steroids I would choose test and eq. However, if legality, sourcing, and price were issues, assume a month ago, those two steroids would change to 4-ad and 1-test. In my experience, when comparing sides, strength and lean body mass gains 1-test is superior to tren, 4-ad is superior to primo, and even m1t with all its unpleasant sides is better than the worst steroid I've ever tried, methytest.

 

[BOOEY]

There is no comparison

 

[javaguru]

There is no comparison

Honestly, what are you basing this on? I would take a lifetime supply of 4-ad cypionate over methyltest any day of the week. This comes from someone who has a lot of experience with the "real" stuff....first real cycle was in 1993.

 

[BOOEY]

Cost vs Side effects vs Quality Gains

 

[javaguru]

Cost vs Side effects vs Quality Gains

Have you ever tried an efficient delivery system for "pro-hormones", injectable 4-ad cypionate or 1-test cypionate to make an honest comparison? Andriol and transdermal testosterone do very little in the way of bodybuilding but injectable testosterone is second to none as far as bodybuilding drugs go. I would take any "prohormone" I've tried over methyltest which just gave me some strength, a lot of bloat and acne as well as a horrible lipid profile. Even the harsh M1T was head and shoulders better than this crap when comparing gains/sides. I actually prefer 1-test cypionate to tren acetate, my gains were slightly better mg/mg, it was MUCH cheaper ($3.50/gram Vs. $17.00/gm) and the lethargy left me after two weeks. I'll take some lethargy that disappears after two weeks and can be esily overcome with ephedrine over insomnia and night sweats that last the whole cycle.

I converted 4-ad ethylcarbonate when it first became available and gained 3lbs LBM while losing 2 pounds of fat in two weeks at 700mg/week and increasing my KCal by 500. That was pretty surprising considering I started working out seriously in 1991 and was over my genetic limit for building "natural" muscle from numerous AAS cycles. However, I have always been a good responder to AAS's, my first cycle was a two week test and I gained ten "keepable" pounds off three amps of sten per week. The last two weeker I did before I tested the 4-ad ec I took 750mg test per week and gained seven pounds total, didn't track body comp unfortunately.

 

[BOOEY]

You must be the exception then, because I've known too many people who have used prohormones and had nothing to show for it but hairloss, acne, and MAYBE 5lbs of lbm. And these weren't teenage punks, but lifters who knew what they were doing in terms of training/diet. Prohormones are pre-cursors. Why take the precursor to testosterone when you can get the real deal @ just as cheap a price. You compared 1-test to tren in terms of prices. How about 1-test to test. Just about the same, if not cheaper.

 

[javaguru]

You must be the exception then, because I've known too many people who have used prohormones and had nothing to show for it but hairloss, acne, and MAYBE 5lbs of lbm. And these weren't teenage punks, but lifters who knew what they were doing in terms of training/diet. Prohormones are pre-cursors. Why take the precursor to testosterone when you can get the real deal @ just as cheap a price. You compared 1-test to tren in terms of prices. How about 1-test to test. Just about the same, if not cheaper.

If you have a powder source test is pretty cheap but I'm talking about the average guy a month ago. You could get 4-ad cypionate for about $2.50 a gram. I haven't had experience with gym prices in years but guys were paying $10.00-$15.00 PER amp of sustanon or testoprim-d years ago. It's a mute point now because of legality issues but I've seen blood tests of people on 1,500mg of 4-ad cypionate that were what one would expect from 750mg of test cypionate. Also, the rat levator ani assay's found it to be 80% as anabolic as testosterone mg/mg so it seems to have a possible intrinsic effect on top of the conversion. The whole concept of a "pro-hormone" was a marketing ploy. There are scientists who believe certain AAS's exert most of their action through conversion and metabolites, a-bombs being an example given. It's a lot more complicated than a conversion to an active hormone or not. If I had taken my 4-ad without monitering my body composition then I would probaly have considered it crap as well, not worth it for three measly pounds on the scale. However, the fact I actually lost two pounds of fat having raised my KCal's 15% while unintentionally reducing cardio, due to work rekated constraints, meant I saw a very substantial change in body composition. I also kept the gains after the cycle unlike the guy who raves about all the "mass" he's gaining on his a-bombs and ends up complaining after he drops the ten pounds of water he gained.

 

[Otis Hurtz]

I just got done with the heaviest cycle of prohormones that I have ever taken in my life. I took creatine with no2 throughout the whole cycle.

my cycle
1st week 1test 20mg per day
2nd week 1test 30mg per day
3rd week 1test 40mg per day and 4AD & 19nor 100 per day
4th week 1test 30mg per day and animal stack 1 pack per day
5th week animal stack 1 pack per day
6th week 6pills of 6oxo per day
7th week 4/3/2pills of 6oxo per day

1test was ids methyl 1 Test
4AD and 19Nor was Nor-Tek
Animal Stack was the original from Universal
6 Oxo was from ErgoPharm

This was nothing compaired to when I took small doses of 250mg sust per week and 300mg of EQ per week with a jump start of d-bol and finished up with clomid.

WILL NEVER WASTE MONEY ON PRO HORMONES AGAIN

ONLY THE REAL SHIT WILL DO THE TRICK

 

[toxicsambo]

Hi,
I just started my cycle of a tesosterone blend and deca, and this is my first cycle. Has anyone notice a big difference between taking AS and prohormones? Size, strength and endurance? I have taken boldione and 1 test from molecular nutrition and gained a good 10 to 12lbs. Just wanted to know if the results are the same.

thanks

Pro-homrnes and aas are completly different. I've haven't used gear in almost 5 yrs and tried every kind of supplement because I didn't want my boss to notice at work, or he could've ordered a lab test. I started using pro-hormones and then the govt puts them in the same category as aas. LMAO. It's not even close. Pro-hormones NEVER gave me the results in fat loss, lean mass, vascularity, strength, and focus like aas does. I got fed up and I'm going back to the only supplements that matter. aas. What's the fkn difference if i have pro-hormones on me or aas? Nothing. So why even think about pro-hormones anymore?

You can gain 10 lbs if you bloat yourself on creatine and food, but it won't be aas muscle. The only OTC supplements that work from my experience have been fat burners because there's a giant clientel aside from bodybuilders and athletes. Soccer moms and dads' want to lose thier fat asses to, so fat burners better fkn work somewhat or else they're bankrupt.

 

[BOOEY]

If you have a powder source test is pretty cheap but I'm talking about the average guy a month ago. You could get 4-ad cypionate for about $2.50 a gram. I haven't had experience with gym prices in years but guys were paying $10.00-$15.00 PER amp of sustanon or testoprim-d years ago. It's a mute point now because of legality issues but I've seen blood tests of people on 1,500mg of 4-ad cypionate that were what one would expect from 750mg of test cypionate. Also, the rat levator ani assay's found it to be 80% as anabolic as testosterone mg/mg so it seems to have a possible intrinsic effect on top of the conversion. The whole concept of a "pro-hormone" was a marketing ploy. There are scientists who believe certain AAS's exert most of their action through conversion and metabolites, a-bombs being an example given. It's a lot more complicated than a conversion to an active hormone or not. If I had taken my 4-ad without monitering my body composition then I would probaly have considered it crap as well, not worth it for three measly pounds on the scale. However, the fact I actually lost two pounds of fat having raised my KCal's 15% while unintentionally reducing cardio, due to work rekated constraints, meant I saw a very substantial change in body composition. I also kept the gains after the cycle unlike the guy who raves about all the "mass" he's gaining on his a-bombs and ends up complaining after he drops the ten pounds of water he gained.

Again you're comparing the wrong substances - A-bombs to 4-ad (before 4-ad to methyltest). I would like to see a comparison of straight up Testosterone-Cyp and 1-Test Cyp. I don't have the time to research a moot point - I've seen the results on other people and have come to a conclusion, which I believe over 95% of this board would agree with me, that prohormones can not come close to the effectiveness of aas.

 

[wootoom]

im thinking of trying Prohormones LOL

 

[javaguru]

The question was in regard to "pro-hormones" Vs. AAS's in general. There are some very effective "pro-hormones" and some very bad AAS's when it comes to gains/sides. I gave you a direct comparison of 4-ad cypionate and test cypionate. Comparing test-cyp to 1-test cyp is like comparing test cypionate to tren cypionate, the test in 1-test is a marketing name and has nothing to do with its action in the human body. Comparing it to tren is much more accurate, which I did in an earlier post. I wasn't comparing 4-ad to a-bombs, it was more in regard to how people will report results without taking into account body composition changes or wait until pct is finished to evaluate a drug. Who cares if you gained 30 lbs of scale weight if 29 pounds of it is water and fat or you gained 30 lbs of solid muscle only to lose 95% of it within a month of finishing a cycle.

This isn't a flame against anyone but there are surprising amounts of uninformed opinions that get spread on these threads. The whole reason I posted on this thread is to educate people based on what I have learned. I've never understood the irrational hatred many display toward pro-hormones, just because they took 300mg of 4-ad powder a day orally and didn't get anything. There are plenty of people posting on anabolicminds and animal's board who have had very positive experiences with injectable pro-hormones. If your only experience with AAS's was with oral testosterone base powder you would think steroids suck. It seemed natural to me as a former AAS user to experiment with pro-hormones using the most effective delivery method and actually control it to at least a modest degree to test the results. The only negative 4-ad cypionate injection experience I have read was from someone who was not tracking their body comp, diet or even dosage/injection frequency and they were complaining about only gaining five pounds in three weeks.

 

[Dieselgoku23]

Well you cant compare them but yet you can gain very good gains with M1T or 4AD but why bother now if they are illegal as real gear. Right now I'm taking M1T instead of Dbol in my current cycle. I'm taking M1T 1-4 weeks, 1-10 or 12(NOT SURE YET WHEN I'M GOING TO STOP) of Test E and EQ 1-10. Any ways so far on my 3rd week and M1T kicks in fast, still usually Test E and EQ

 

[Dieselgoku23]

should kick in real soon week 4th or 5 then I would quit M1T so its all good is really how your body reacts to things. Might not work for others might work for you its up to you

 

[Mythicalbeing]

PH vs aas....prohormones do work, BUT they do not compair to AAS.

 

[toxicsambo]

PH vs aas....prohormones do work, BUT they do not compair to AAS.

Exactly. If any of you were old enough to remember Hot Stuff, that shit was badass. I think that worked better than pro-hormones. I remember when the govt got wind of that shit and banned that too. Everyone was using it. I remember ppl getting acne from it like it was an aas. lol. The good ol' days.