Professional help needed !!

[Voijn]

Hey guys!

As some of you might know, i injected my very first time 6days ago. The injection consisted of 60mg of Primobolan

Ive tried to run ******** anavar 40mg 2times without succes due to i experienced some nipple ichyness and afterwards stopt the use. Both times 3days went by on OFF, and the ichyness went away

I thought that i might be sensastive towards The drugs in Anavar and therefore the ichyness could occour. After researching alot i found out that drugs wich do not aromatize and therefore create estrogene related gyno could actually create gyno from increased IGF-1, prolactin and progesterone?

So i decided to try out primobolan, as said i shot it 6days ago and did not experience any form of ichyness " I was so happy " but now today i experience alittle ichyness it isent like when on the var but yet again i only shot 50mg.

Some of you might say why the hell shoot 50mg, well because i experienced ichyness on 40mg of anavar, therefore if i shot 400mg of primobolan and experienced the same the feeling would be alot more due to higher dose, thats why i tried off 50mg to see how i would react. The ichyness isent like when on the var, and it is acceptable, but what happens if i inject 400mg?

estrogene is out because primo does not aromatise and the drug it self actually works as an recptor blocker for the estrogene produciton "anti e"

that leaves the 3 same alone again as on the var :
Igf-1, prolactin, progesterone?
Or could it be recptor crossover?

I really need some help! so please you brainiess that have a clue or just a guess help out!

any ideas on wtf i should do?

 

[d_rson]

I think it's psychological because your var was fake (probably dbol), and/or you have fake primo. You're NOT going to feel 60mg of primo in a few days. You're not even going to feel 60mg primo at all since it is released so slowly due to the ester. It sounds like you're doing some research which is good, but you have a long way to go in some understanding before you are ready to cycle.

 

[d_rson]

Post your diet, and everything that you are taking supps wise, and how much water you drink.

 

[Voijn]

Hmm i dont think its true what you are saying. Alot of people think that primobolan or other roid work after weeks, primobolan and other drugs works at the moment? though gains might be seen after longer peroider of time on "primo" due to it being so mild and not adding water

The anavar was real, ive got a m8 running them and he is on week 4now. 60mg no probs there
The primobolan is not hg, but Diamond wich is a respected ug lab. Lab tests show its 100%

Im not an expert, but some how it does not make sense that 50mg of primobolan cannot befelt in the way of irritation. Im not saying that i feel strength or size gains ect. But that my nipples are ichy alittle bit and yes it was only 50mg injected

Primobolans lifetime is 7days if i understand right?

 

[lartinos]

Fake stuff again. Run EQ by itself with some an AI and you will be fine.
Somehow I don't think you will listen though and just google shit and get more confused.
But hey.... Do what you like.

 

[lartinos]

Fake stuff again. Run EQ by itself with some an AI and you will be fine.
Somehow I don't think you will listen though and just google shit and get more confused.
But hey.... Do what you like.

 

[Voijn]

its an ug product, but not fake. Its lab tested and it passt, so its 100% real though UG
What if it is real, isent there any other options due to the ichyness?

 

[joe d]

i also think your gear is fake. but if you are getting gyno like issues from that low of a dose then id say just stay away from steroids. run dostinex or bromo.

 

[d_rson]

Like I said, you need to do more research before you poke these drugs in you, because you're all twisted about.

1) Primo injection is primo attached to a long ester which makes it work slowly over time. Only a little bit of the primo is released into the system over time. If you injected 50-60mg of primo, or about .5cc, it would release maybe 5 mg of primo over the day, because it's going to release that 50-60mg over about 14 days. In other words, you're NOT going to feel 50-60mg. Not sure if yo heard me, you're NOT going to feel 50-60mg. Now my guess, if you REALLY are getting gyno symptoms (again, if you've never got gyno before, and only ever had itchy nipples, then not sure it's even gyno!) like puffy, sore nipples, it's not primo, probably test prop (prop is used many times to simulate the pain of primo) and test prop at .5cc COULD give someone itchy nipples if they were prone to gyno.

2) Your anavar is probably fake, low dose dbol or something. Just because your mate is fine on 60mg doesn't mean squat - he's not you, and may not be prone to gyno, and if it's underdosed dbol, it could be 10mg or so, which is going to give results but won't cause gyno in most people - but again, might cause it in you if you are prone.

Now I don't know why I took the time to write this,because I have a feeling you're not going to listen. Give your mate your gear, and get off AAS.

 

[d_rson]

Post your diet, and everything that you are taking supps wise, and how much water you drink.

Do the above.

Also, unless YOUR gear is tested, how do you know YOUR gear is real. Sucky UG labs are notorious for having runs of good gear and runs of fakes to maintain some people saying they work...

 

[lartinos]

And he didn't believe me, lol.

 

[d_rson]

And he didn't believe me, lol.

He'll be back after he's done googling some more.

 

[Voijn]

ive googled for 10 strait hours... Nah, im almost 100% sure that its real! Hasent there been any people that has been mega sensative even on very low doses of roids? To warrify and to check, im thinking about going to the doc to see Progesterone - prolactin - IGF1 to see if any of these are elevated and might cause the ichyness..

I know that this will seem so not true but it is: The second time i tried running var i started of with 20mg of Anavar and actually was able to feel it in the nipples, after 4-5hours the ichyness came.. And no its not because im paranoid

 

[joe d]

ive googled for 10 strait hours... Nah, im almost 100% sure that its real! Hasent there been any people that has been mega sensative even on very low doses of roids? To warrify and to check, im thinking about going to the doc to see Progesterone - prolactin - IGF1 to see if any of these are elevated and might cause the ichyness..

I know that this will seem so not true but it is: The second time i tried running var i started of with 20mg of Anavar and actually was able to feel it in the nipples, after 4-5hours the ichyness came.. And no its not because im paranoid

again steroids arent for you.

going to the doc like you mentioned is the best thing to do in your situation. im leaning towards diet issues to. are you using high amounts of milk or any soy milk?

 

[Voijn]

Ive never in my life had problems with my nipples, only when i tried the var i felt i the very first time.
Ill post my diet, im eating around 230proteins 4000kcal 60fat dunno with carbohydrates

 

[Voijn]

Diet generally consists of:
Oats n milk = 14g proteins
Protein shake = 25g proteins
250g chicken w patatos = around 50g proteins
1L of milk = 35g proteins
Weightgainer = 25g proteins
And now and then sandwiches contains about 10g proteins or more
Tuna with rye bread = 45g proteins
Fruits n veggies = 4-6g proteins

this is my training diet, normally i really cant eat this much but im dedicated and do it.

Diet now is sloppy and is:
Eggs with milk
little fruit
1 sandwich
dinner = 100g of chicken with patatos
maybe one protein shake
i eat really unhealthy 1bag of chips everyday and chokolate now and then.. dunno if this could be the reason

 

[d_rson]

Now I don't know why I took the time to write this,because I have a feeling you're not going to listen. Give your mate your gear, and get off AAS.

If your nipples were itchy witin 4-5 hours of taking 20mg of your supposed (fake) var, you just need to stay away from AAS. You don't get itchy nipples that quick. Go see the doctor.

 

[Voijn]

Well, im just so much into bodybuilding and its a part of my life.. Im so deciplined on it, that i just want to get maximum out of my traning. I dont drink alcohol, i now and then skip social times due to traning and eating times! So i see my self as an good example for some one who can use steroids and get away with it. Isent there any thing that i can do to check WTF is wrong? because i really want to do an steroid cycle, ive got the knowlagde.. But again reasonens why i just dident start out using high doses ect. was to see if any side effekts would occour and yeah the nipple problems have been there on all 3 attempts

I really wish theres some thing i could do.

 

[Voijn]

Well, im just so much into bodybuilding and its a part of my life.. Im so deciplined on it, that i just want to get maximum out of my traning. I dont drink alcohol, i now and then skip social times due to traning and eating times! So i see my self as an good example for some one who can use steroids and get away with it. Isent there any thing that i can do to check WTF is wrong? because i really want to do an steroid cycle, ive got the knowlagde.. But again reasonens why i just dident start out using high doses ect. was to see if any side effekts would occour and yeah the nipple problems have been there on all 3 attempts

I really wish theres some thing i could do.

 

[Voijn]

So guys ive came to the decison of not takeing roids, ive tried to run it 3times now with the same problem occouring. I really hope this post can help others that might get in the same situation as me. The Var was real and so was the Primo i really think that theres something going on when i try using syntetic stuff, therefore my nipples react as they do.
Alot of you guys are thinking its paranoia, that it cannot be true ect. ! but its me thats feeling it and its true, The life time of primobolan should start to dimish now cuz im hitting the day tomorrow that i injected 7days Hope this will help some people that might run into same problem as me

If any of ya, have any ideas on how i could reach my goal without roids i would be very happy!
suppls - programs - diet ect . thx for the helpt

 

[joe d]

So guys ive came to the decison of not takeing roids, ive tried to run it 3times now with the same problem occouring. I really hope this post can help others that might get in the same situation as me. The Var was real and so was the Primo i really think that theres something going on when i try using syntetic stuff, therefore my nipples react as they do.
Alot of you guys are thinking its paranoia, that it cannot be true ect. ! but its me thats feeling it and its true, The life time of primobolan should start to dimish now cuz im hitting the day tomorrow that i injected 7days Hope this will help some people that might run into same problem as me

If any of ya, have any ideas on how i could reach my goal without roids i would be very happy!
suppls - programs - diet ect . thx for the helpt

give me a detailed layout of your training that you find most effective, your goals, your full stats, and a detailed lay out of a days foods with their times and amounts along with any activities you do. please also use american standard measurements. i am sure we can work up the diet and training. lets do that before adding the sups.