best cycle i ever took was Turanabol 100mg ed 1-3 Primobolan - methenolone - 800 for 1st 2 then 600 for another 6.....youll notice Primobolan - methenolone - working in 1 1/2 -2 weeks......as long as you run Primobolan - methenolone - 8 weeks, your golden....def does not need to be ran 14 or longer, waste of money IMO....if you got scherings, 400 a week is good, UG, 500 +