Primo.....?

[zedhed]

carrera you really need to konw what you are doing with all of this stuff but most especially with HGH. I think that is what cgar is basically saying. The man knows his shit having learned it the hard way. I know that you think you have read and Im not saying that you have not. But I also know that this shit is deadly serious stuff to be dealing with. If you have not bought your stuff yet why dont you do some reading on GHRP-2 of -6. They are both more user friendly then HGH, cost less and will give pretty much the same results.
Dont get offended from these guys giving you advice as they are just looking out for you and best of luck to you.

 

[stevesmi]

to the OP... primo + test = cant go wrong.

HGH is risky, i wouldn't touch it until I was atleast 50 but that is my IMO. it is too expensive and you have to run it a while

can have major success with primo/test

 

[nydj66]

I agree with most of the above except for the assertion that test is a must in any cycle. Actually primo alone makes perfect sense for a fisttimer. The original poster do need to research more carefully tho.

I'm going to take issue with that. Scherring's own data showed that when primobolan was used in place of testosterone for TRT, estrogen levels got too low and men lost their libido.

Since primo cycles generally need 10+ weeks to show results and the typical man doesn't want to be without his libido for that long, I would recommend at least a small (100mg/wk) dosage of testosterone with a primo cycle.

 

[rambleon]

I'm going to take issue with that. Scherring's own data showed that when primobolan was used in place of testosterone for TRT, estrogen levels got too low and men lost their libido.

Since primo cycles generally need 10+ weeks to show results and the typical man doesn't want to be without his libido for that long, I would recommend at least a small (100mg/wk) dosage of testosterone with a primo cycle.

I did not recommend it for hrt use. There is a huge difference in duration here. If we're talking a cycle of some weeks i do not believe this will be an issue for most. The effect u're describing would be some time in developing. Besides i disagree that more than 10 weeks are needed to get results with primo. That all depend on just how much growth u define as 'results'. Ask Nelson for his opinion on this and he'll tell u that a 6 week primo alone run is ideal for a firsttimer.

 

[carrera104]

to the OP... primo + test = cant go wrong.

HGH is risky, i wouldn't touch it until I was atleast 50 but that is my IMO. it is too expensive and you have to run it a while

can have major success with primo/test

why it is dangerous if you keep the dose 4ius or under

 

[carrera104]

carrera you really need to konw what you are doing with all of this stuff but most especially with HGH. I think that is what cgar is basically saying. The man knows his shit having learned it the hard way. I know that you think you have read and Im not saying that you have not. But I also know that this shit is deadly serious stuff to be dealing with. If you have not bought your stuff yet why dont you do some reading on GHRP-2 of -6. They are both more user friendly then HGH, cost less and will give pretty much the same results.
Dont get offended from these guys giving you advice as they are just looking out for you and best of luck to you.

actually i bought the stuff and i am in second week, the reason why i did hgh is due to my high bf and no matter what i did before i was not succeed to reduce that.
I am just using 4iu's a day and i will run it for 6 months

 

[nydj66]

I did not recommend it for hrt use. There is a huge difference in duration here. If we're talking a cycle of some weeks i do not believe this will be an issue for most. The effect u're describing would be some time in developing. Besides i disagree that more than 10 weeks are needed to get results with primo. That all depend on just how much growth u define as 'results'. Ask Nelson for his opinion on this and he'll tell u that a 6 week primo alone run is ideal for a firsttimer.

It takes less than 3 weeks on-cycle for your endogenous testosterone level to go essentially to zero.

I did it my first cycle where I ran d-bol only for 6 weeks. Had no libido from week 4-9. That was the last cycle I ran without testosterone.

 

[stevesmi]

why it is dangerous if you keep the dose 4ius or under

i dont see why someone under 45 needs to mess with HGH, i never recommend it to lifters. thats my position
i just dont think its necessary to reach your goals or worth the cost..

 

[WinnyPumps]

i dont see why someone under 45 needs to mess with HGH, i never recommend it to lifters. thats my position
i just dont think its necessary to reach your goals or worth the cost..

Anyone under 45? GH has many many benefits to running it at any age. Just for example many great athletes have taken it for many reasons. I know a few people personally who have ran it with their trt and it works wonders. So I have to say you are incorrect in that assumption.

 

[rambleon]

It takes less than 3 weeks on-cycle for your endogenous testosterone level to go essentially to zero.

I did it my first cycle where I ran d-bol only for 6 weeks. Had no libido from week 4-9. That was the last cycle I ran without testosterone.

That would depend on how supressive the cycle is and primo is way less supressive than dbol. Besides u were talking about low estro not test and if the mechanism behind the lowering of estro is test production supression i'd suggest that there would be a time lag involved. U might be very sensitive to supression but some people can use harsher compounds than primo without loss of libido if they don't stay on too long. I'm on hrt now but wayback when i could run winny without test and still function sexually.