james629 said:
To be perfectly honest I would not waste my money on the stack again. One of my lifting partners and myself started it at the same time he gained basically ZERO and he is pissed, I gained a little strength and libido boost which I think came from the Dermicrine. I would probably buy the Derm again if I stacked it with real aas but I really dont get all the hype especially from guys that use the real shit on a regular basis.
Here's my take on it... I've never tried the combined "stack", but I've used all of those products separately.
Dermacrine: Gives a great overall sense of well-being, energy, mood-enhancement, libido enhancement, desire to hit the gym. Works great while ON (particularly as a kick-start to the cycle). Also great as a standalone while OFF.
Sustain: Boosts libido, works great for PCT recovery
CLA: Currently using it now with a moderately-clean diet, moderate training regimen (not ON right now), and some low-intensity cardio. After about a month, I'm leaning out and already down a couple pounds, it's scary!
Phyto-test: Only ever tried one bottle, didn't sit too well with my stomach and it may have contributed to panic-attacks...so that to me was an indication that it WAS doing something, unfortunately I didn't run more than a bottle to see its full potential.
Will you gain 8-12 pounds from this stack? I guess it's possible with the right diet and training. I never expected that for myself, I had more realistic expectations and goals and most of these products met them.