Ulter:
Hang on a minute, emotions aside. What I'm objecting to throughout our whole series of posts is having a product pushed on me because you sponsor this site and it is obviously a place for you to generate revenue. Actually, I would love to get out of a never ending Platinum membership if you're willing to arrange to have me banned for having an opinion. BTW my membership also 'sponsors' this site. Therefore, in terms of money or the opportunity our sponsorhsip creates, I should have an equal right to express my opinion.
Me calling your product "crap" was unnecessary on my part, but from the evidence I have provided and continue to provide below I maintain that P7 would not be effective for my condition. It has also proven to be ineffective for other posters too. I think that needs to be acknowledged!? I have studied Biochemistry, Pharmacology and Endocrinology and have worked with athletes that have performed at international and Olympic level. I have personally designed 'natural' supplement programs for them. Unlike myself, I do not endorse the use of AAS or banned substances to facilitate their training. In saying that I do believe that I have the necessary criteria and experience to have a critical opinion on natural products and their claims.
Yes, you're correct in saying that the debate has elevated itself to a personal level, but this is due to you trying to suppress my opinion. I strongly object to that. Firstly you have responded to every criticism that I've made regarding P7, which shows that you are pretty defensive about the product. You could have laughed me off right from the beginning. In this entire series of posts there have been a good few posts that fly in the face of the exact claims you make for your product. You are, as all salesmen should be, concerned that my opinion will be read by others and affect your sales.
This whole thing started with my first post "Tren is awesome", where you offered your product as a solution to my Tren insomnia. You said that it was specifically designed for Tren insomnia. Why Tren? Then it was claimed it was designed for Test insomnia too. Why Test too? What about the other steroids that cause irritability and agression, like Halotestin, Test Suspension or Anadrol. How can one porduct be a 'cure-all' for the side effect generated by some very different synthetic hormones? Below is a copy of your first post. In my experience of 7 oxo DHEA and Pregnenolone I've experienced nothing BUT irritability an nausea. It is logical that those 2 fairly benign 'hormones' or derivatives will have a comparatively weak opposing effect on the side effect of some very powerful synthetic hormones.
Below is the my original post that was responded to by yourself.
Re: Tren is awesome!
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Originally Posted by mbluett
Does anyone have some advice on how to conquer the Tren insomnia. I tried 1.5mg of Xanax last night and it did shit!?
"P SEVEN ORANGE!!
It's formulated for use with tren."
This was another post of mine, "Tren insomnia":
I'm currently on week 2 of a tren/winny/sust cycle. The tren has given me serious insomnia. I'm an insomniac as it is, but this is like being in 'hyper-vigilante mode' 24/7. I found a good remedy though: 0.5mg Xanax and 75mg Trazodone. Now i'm having a good refreshing 8 hours sleep.
Now after seeing what PRESCRIPTION medications I have tried for Tren insomnia, do you still honestly believe that P7 would touch my insomnia???
Next quote:
Originally Posted by ulter
"After a ridiculously childish post like that I wouldn't give you the time of day let alone clinical research. Since you know what's in it you can look it up yourself. Having an opinion of a product you've tried is certainly worth hearing about. Whether you like or dislike one of our products we'd like to know about it so we can ask how it was used and maybe learn something. But you are attacking me personally and a product you have never even seen. That's the kind of posting that gets people banned here."
Is it "childish" to get annoyed with someone who keeps telling you that their product is going to work when you've had to resort to pharmaceuticals to keep a nights sleep?
Why won't you provide any clinical research? This is obviously not for my benefit, but for others. I feel that it is important in the supplement industry to have your products backed by science. It is the reason that I buy EAS products, because it is backed by university and clinical studies. These studies are readily available to the public in a published booklet. BTW I have looked up clinical studies on the ingredients in P7 and have considered them in formulation too. What I was really hoping for was that you would provide us with these studies.
I hope this has balanced my argument in favour of logic and less toward a personal attack.
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