Post Workout Shake?

[Murman]

Protein shake at least (w/ glutamine and creatine) post-workout.
Here is what i'm looking to find out, I have my Post-workout Shake a 1/2 hour before my workout. Is this to early or is it to late?

I would like to Thank you all for your help in my post's and because of your great info i'm lose body fat like crazy. An i feel great will doing it, keep up the great work.

 

[Big Country 056]

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but POST in post workout means AFTER.
So, yes, this would be too early, since before your workout would be a PRE workout shake.
A post-worout shake should occur after the workout and include some simple carbs for glycogen replinishment, unless you're on a keto diet...

 

[Mr.X]

Yes, I'll echo some info again:

Post workout needs to be within 20min AFTER the workout... Yes, it's a good idea to have a pre-workout (before) shake (some whey + some high-gi carbs) to fuel your workout. Yet, I personally never have pre-workout shakes, I just have my post-workout shakes, unless I do a TKD.

Mr.X

 

[Big Country 056]

Toal agreement here, X. I perform much better on an empty stomach.

 

[Hoffmeister]

This study seems to show that protein synthesis is greater when a pre-workout meal is used:

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/281/2/E197

 

[The mann]

i also workout better on empty stomach.i have a shake at1:30 and take eca at 3:00 andhit wights at 3:30,then i take a shake after,then i have my last meal of the day2 hrs after that.........just my 2 pennies worth

 

[Murman]

Thanks guys i never even cluded into the post or pre.

Big Country 056 any reply to my post is helpful, so i wouldn't feel you were trying to be a smart ass LOL.But i feel like an ass for not catching the PRE or POST LOL.

 

[Mr.X]

Dear Hoffmeister,

I looked at the study that you posted:

L-[ring-2H5]phenylalanine, femoral arteriovenous catheterization, and muscle biopsies from the vastus lateralis were used to determine phenylalanine concentrations, enrichments, and net uptake across the leg. Blood and muscle phenylalanine concentrations were increased by ~130% after drink consumption in both trials.

So, you see the concentration is the same in both pre and post workout trials. (~130%)

I think this study is totally vague and says nothing. I can, at the same time, make up some study and say it's real. My friend, they show NO significant information, i.e. persons stats, amounts of carbs pre-post workout, insulin sensitivity in subjects, type of training...etc. etc. etc. I can go on and on. This study is just too tentative to actually prove anyting at all.

Mr.X

 

[Hoffmeister]

Mr X:

I may be wrong, but I believe the 130% referred to was to establish that immediately following both drinks, the concentrations were the same.

The point of the study seems to be that the net uptake was significantly greater when the drink was taken pre-workout than when taken post-workout.

 

[Mr.X]

Hoffmeister,

I see this as a point for people to agree to disagree.

When we look at the past studies and some basic human phisiology, we can see clearly that Amino Acids + Carbs will, in fact, provide a state of anabolism instead of catabolism during a prolonged workout, yet the KEY word here is PROLONGED. For, when a 45min-1hr workout is utilized on an empty stomach, then not only will maximum fat-loss occur, but also more IGF-1 and Growth Hormone will be released into the body. Thus, when compared to the infusion of AA that happens from pre-workout drink, empty stomach workouts + post-workout nutrition is much more important. You can see why, simply: AA infusion is NOT nearly as significant as IGF-1, GH, Test infusion. I hope you grasp the concept of this idea.

Mr.X