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psychedout
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I've been doing:
1 scoops gatorade (33 grams dextrose)
1 cup oats
3 scoops whey
All in a blender. Its good for about 97 carbs, 62 protein, 6 fat. Nice PWO shake. Working well too. I've added 35 pounds to my bench in 5 weeks after getting murdered by the lengthy diet, followed by food posioning, and then by the flu. Only 35 more pounds to go.
1 scoops gatorade (33 grams dextrose)
1 cup oats
3 scoops whey
All in a blender. Its good for about 97 carbs, 62 protein, 6 fat. Nice PWO shake. Working well too. I've added 35 pounds to my bench in 5 weeks after getting murdered by the lengthy diet, followed by food posioning, and then by the flu. Only 35 more pounds to go.
Actually, since you are taxing your body more when you do compound lifts(cus they work so many muscles) your glycogen will be pretty depleted after a 5x5 workout. So go ahead and have a high carb PWO meal. Whether you you dex or some other carn source(oats, fruit, etc) is your personal choice. Check out reason #2 in this article...
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JKurz1
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I was thinking of trying nothing.......just a whole food meal within a hour.....right now, its whey, and rice cakes, and I'll toss in a gatorade if I feel the need.....or creatine from celltech carb sense (8 tubs for $10) had to buy em....
Just not sure on the gatorade......heard conflicting opinions....love the rice cakes though!
Just not sure on the gatorade......heard conflicting opinions....love the rice cakes though!
psychedout
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JKurz1 said:
Whats conflicting about the gatorade?
psychedout
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BTW, just to point out, your body will need much more glycogen after a 5x5 workout than after say, a 20 set chest workout.
Guinness5.0
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I've done a 180 regarding PWO nutriton. I used to eb all about the simple carb/whey shake, but now I just go home and eat a meal.
The simple carb thing is jsut to squash cortisol and raise insulin, but IMHO I don't think that the urgency to change one's hormonal state is warranted - even without food you'll go back to baseline hormone profile shortly.
I've gained muscle and gotten stronger even after my drug cycle eating this way, so I think the 'standard' PWO shake is overrated, 5x5 or otherwise.
The simple carb thing is jsut to squash cortisol and raise insulin, but IMHO I don't think that the urgency to change one's hormonal state is warranted - even without food you'll go back to baseline hormone profile shortly.
I've gained muscle and gotten stronger even after my drug cycle eating this way, so I think the 'standard' PWO shake is overrated, 5x5 or otherwise.
psychedout
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JKurz1 said:
JKurz, this isn't something that is going to vary from individual to individual. This is something that will hold true for all individuals. It sounds to me though like you are confusing the pump/heart rate with glycogen depletion. The confusion is understandable but I can assure your body needs much more glycogen after a full body workout than after training a single muscle group. If you need to see the studies, visit the HST homepage.
psychedout
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JKurz1 said:
That can work. Not my personal choice. Something like Hst might be in line for you. MWF could be Chest,Delt,Tri,Calve, TRS could be legs,back,bis. Of course there is a bit more it to that, but its a start.
Guinness5.0
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Recovery woule mean adaptation/gains. Unless you have a different way of defining recovery.JKurz1 said:
BiggT
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Guinness5.0 said:
This sounds like me.....if I brought my wallet in, I grab a MetRx RTD if I feel like it, but I think the PWO 'shake' is overrated too.....I wouldn't advise going hours before eating, but a 5-20 minute period to either get home or stop somewhere and get some food is fine from my experience.
Hell - as much as you want, that's the best time to eat. I remember Wed night back in college was all-you-can-eat BBQ chicken. Any all-you-can-eat style restaurant in a college town has to really examine what they are doing. I remember we used to organize training around that night so we could be sure to make the most use of it (heavy squats, pulls, whatever). Now of course it took 10 minutes to get from the gym to the door and we'd have a huge glass of fresh lemonade right away (simple carbs baby), then we'd order a lot of chicken with potatoes and hush puppies and all kinds of stuff - that would get to the table about 8-10 minutes after the Lemonade so about the 20 minute mark which matches up pretty well for timing protein. At that point it was pure damage over the next hour or so and continuous reorders. We'd camp that place. When a chicken thought of death - it was basically thinking of us. I think it was $6.99 for the whole thing.JKurz1 said:
Guinness5.0
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WHatever I want to eat, really.
If you eat more than you need, you'll grow. If you don't you won't. One meal is not going to make or break this.
If you eat more than you need, you'll grow. If you don't you won't. One meal is not going to make or break this.
BiggT
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Yeah, whatever I feel like....about half the time I grab a 51 gram MetRx on my way out the door while I decide what to eat, but when I don't want one, I don't feel like my muscles will atrophy and eat themselves and die on the way to my car if I don't.
Chinese Buffets are always good and the owners always look at me with disgust, and no wait either.......sometimes at the house I'll fix a plate of meatloaf, mashed potatos, and some veggies and heat it up when I get in the door....sometimes I'll get a couple turkey hoagies and some mozarella sticks.....there is a nearby Jewish Deli and I'll go in for a Corned Beef Reuben-fest after heavy squats and pulls. I also love Mexican food.
This is not very scientific or anything, and there are probably people reading my post in horror, but I never had a problem gaining strength or size and I've never had any serious issues with bodyfat......I lay in bed eating cupcakes and ice cream and potato chips or anything.
Chinese Buffets are always good and the owners always look at me with disgust, and no wait either.......sometimes at the house I'll fix a plate of meatloaf, mashed potatos, and some veggies and heat it up when I get in the door....sometimes I'll get a couple turkey hoagies and some mozarella sticks.....there is a nearby Jewish Deli and I'll go in for a Corned Beef Reuben-fest after heavy squats and pulls. I also love Mexican food.
This is not very scientific or anything, and there are probably people reading my post in horror, but I never had a problem gaining strength or size and I've never had any serious issues with bodyfat......I lay in bed eating cupcakes and ice cream and potato chips or anything.
BiggT
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Madcow, times like you posted are what I live for.....There is a hole in the wall pub that has all you can eat chicken wings for $5 on Tues nights, complete with fries and coleslaw..these are the best wings I have ever had...I love to do some HEAVY olympic lifting, high volume squatting, and some sprints, and then go and try to put them out of business for $5.
I am conscious of what I eat a lot of times though, just not after hard training.....and I do enjoy life as much as possible.
I am conscious of what I eat a lot of times though, just not after hard training.....and I do enjoy life as much as possible.
BiggT said:
That's how I watch Days of Out Lives. You into soaps too? I can't wait to start reading Elie Wiesel's memoir 'Night' - Oprah said it was just a transforming experience, a story of courage, drawn out emotional pain, and wailing commiseration. My username at Oprah's book club is mad_douche, look for me there.
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Madcow2 said:That's how I watch Days of Out Lives. You into soaps too? I can't wait to start reading Elie Wiesel's memoir 'Night' - Oprah said it was just a transforming experience, a story of courage, drawn out emotional pain, and wailing commiseration. My username at Oprah's book club is mad_douche, look for me there.
Fair warning, if you're serious, you're going down.
But you're not serious, so it's cool.
I want me some of those BBQ wings after my training tonight. Got my bodyfat checked - 7%. I need to add some fucking mass again. Wish me luck - I gotta bring my oly bar and plates outside (carry 'em up from the basement) to do my OHPing. Mmm, rain + OHP + darkness = Greatness.
JKurz, maybe you'd actually fucking grow if you spent more time training and less time asking these retarded fucking questions, that have been asked 1000x already. Go fucking search the net. Do you think oldschool BBers worried so much about pre- and post-workout nutrition and shit? NO! Will it help? MAYBE. A little bit. A ton? NO.
Stop.
Sweating.
The.
Small.
Stuff.
Anthrax Invasion said:
I think you need to get in touch with your feminine side and spend some time crying and whining about life and just generally wallowing in self-pity. Actually, why not join Oprah's book club today and get started. It'll be a training board group thing. Wednesday is snatches and backsquat and afterward we can have a postworkout drink and discuss the latest Oprah selection and how it made us get in touch with your inner pussies.
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Madcow2 said:
If I had an inner pussy, I wouldn't need a girlfriend man.
I spend time crying and whining all the time. I go into my emo phase and start writing songs about the grass I stepped on, lamenting over the broken blades, and crushing lightbulbs in my ass cheeks 'cause I'm so depressed I want to bleed, because life is terrible, especially living in white suburbia.
Protobuilder
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biggT said:
No shit. LoL
I missed the Reuben reference. Man, those are some good sandwiches. I know this guy who made it his mission to research and eat all of the various reubens in the area. Over beers one night he went through his list and conclusions. I've worked my way through them 1 by 1 starting from the top but once you've had the top few, it's hard going out of your way to try #5 when you can just go back to #1 or #2 again. Plus, I don't get out much these days with the family so it's a well planned surgical strike thing for me.
Guinness5.0
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When i use the wod 'recovery' I mean it as the response by the body to the stimulus that has been applied. So I'm not referring specifically to the uptake of sugars by the muscles - I'm referring to the body's adaptation to overload.gjohnson5 said:
It was a semantic difference b/t my use of the word and jkurz', which is why I asked what def. he was using.
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Research shows a lot of fucking shit. Do you think any natural trainee from back in the day cared about getting in their pre- and post-workout nutrients? Not likely. They ate, trained, rested and grew. It's not that fucking complex. Maybe you'll see a nominal difference after a few years of using shakes around your workouts. Maybe.
silver_shadow
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i believe there is nearly a 2 hr window for some ppl. in any case the window is probably longer then the PWO shake touters imagine.BiggT said:
Protobuilder
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This is a no-shitter and totally off-topic but just deal with it. BiggT mentioned going to B&N for lattees. LoL I was at B&N the other day. My wife was looking for books and I was browsing through the tattoo mags, which are right next to the cafe. There was this 30 something guy and his wife sitting in the cafe. They had gay coffees or w/e and looked like they'd fallen out of an Abercrombie & Bitch magazine. Anyway, this guy is reading some dumb lifestyle magazine, he's going bald, has goofy dress shoes on, his leg skin is showing just above his socks, and he has his legs crossed right above the knee, which is another indication that he has no balls (the first one being that he's sitting in B&N, sipping cold foo-foo coffee & reading a lifestyle mag). I don't know why, but I thought that was the funniest shit ever. I'm just browsing the tattoo magazines and here's this homo w/ his fancied-up wife hanging out. I bet they own a cat that he calls "muffins." LoL
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