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Post cycle/unleashed....scam????
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Kid tempo
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No can do fella, call me old fashioned but Id like to take the tried and tested route, i cant help but think there's financial incentives for certain individuals on here reccomending these products. It makes no sense how its almost exclusively an EF thing. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe these are miracle products ..... Or maybe it's a big money making scam.
Headholio
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There's a billion products on the market. Very few, if any, are talked about universally. Try some Unleashed. I think it is worth it, and it doesn't cost that much. I don't say that about very many products. And I have nothing to do with this site or those products.
Give us an example of a product you consider tried and tested.
Give us an example of a product you consider tried and tested.
Kid tempo
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Hear what ur saying but Maybe that's because there's a billion rubbish products out there?
Things i would consider "tried and tested" are pharmaceuticals like HCG (pre PCT) followed by clomid/nolva combination. Because of the research and evidence supporting thier effectiveness
bonacris
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If you look at what most of us recommend is hcg before pct
Low dosed Clomid (same effect without horrible sides)
Post cycle/unleashed combo (lowers estrogen/ increases amount of free test available to our body. Most test is bound so unleashed frees it and makes it usable)
DAA because at 3gm a day has been proven to increase test production
Formastanzol is a suicide AI to prevent estrogen reflux and is better than Clomid at binding to estrogen receptors.
I have tried the old school method of nolva and Clomid and felt like shit on it.. granted in never got blood work done after using both pct methods but my reactions speak for themself
Reduced acne, better mood, better appetite, increased libido kept a lot more of my gains and continued to make gains in pct..
Make of that what you will. I'm not affiliated to NTBM or these products but it works for me so I'll keep using them.. also someone has blood work proving these supplements work but I just don't know who..
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Mike4705
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Just do a simple google search of the ingredients in all these products, most of them you can find hard evidence on. If it doesn't actually aid in a quicker recovery then clomid and nolva run alone it at least works as a libido enhancer for sure. For some that all they need to buy it
tha_Waco_kid
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Can anyone point me in the direction of before and after bloods using post cycle/unleashed? Not sure I've ever seen any although they are said to exist. I have seen many bloods over the years proving clomid/novla work. Including my own.
The natural pct may in fact work, but I would have no reason to move a way from the tried and true pct that has always worked for me, and is still widely pretty much everywhere but EF.
Unleashed had been around for several years now so it isn't so new that word wouldn't have 'gotten out' by now.
I actually did run unleashed / post cycle after a sarms run and I felt nothing in terms of libido or anything of that nature. I have pretty naturally low test so I doubt the sarms shut down my hpta much more than it already was
I do like hcgenerate. Nice libido boost from taking that regularly
Just my experiences. I have no horse in this race.
The natural pct may in fact work, but I would have no reason to move a way from the tried and true pct that has always worked for me, and is still widely pretty much everywhere but EF.
Unleashed had been around for several years now so it isn't so new that word wouldn't have 'gotten out' by now.
I actually did run unleashed / post cycle after a sarms run and I felt nothing in terms of libido or anything of that nature. I have pretty naturally low test so I doubt the sarms shut down my hpta much more than it already was
I do like hcgenerate. Nice libido boost from taking that regularly
Just my experiences. I have no horse in this race.
Post cycle and Unleashed work VERY well for PCT and recovery. Do does Test infusion, HCGenerate, Dspark, Forged methyl EAA, Formastanozol....etc...
There is more than one way to skin a cat, and its best to have multiple ways of attacking recovery. I personally like using clomid along with a combination of 2 or 3 of the products above. Best PCT you can put together...hands down.
There is more than one way to skin a cat, and its best to have multiple ways of attacking recovery. I personally like using clomid along with a combination of 2 or 3 of the products above. Best PCT you can put together...hands down.
I agree with rick, a low dose serm combined with a variety of recovery products attacks pct from all angles and is very effective, whilst causing less sides and health risks than other methods.
N2BM has a full refund option if you are not happy in any way theyll even refund a near empty bottle, you can't beat the customer service offered and a huge amount of our business is repeat custom.
If itor any of the other products did not work than it would be constantly returned, I suggest you add it to your pct my freind and try it, if you dont like it then return it and claim a refund
cant get fairer than that but im sure youll be impressed and yourll be doing your body a favour aswell...
N2BM has a full refund option if you are not happy in any way theyll even refund a near empty bottle, you can't beat the customer service offered and a huge amount of our business is repeat custom.
If itor any of the other products did not work than it would be constantly returned, I suggest you add it to your pct my freind and try it, if you dont like it then return it and claim a refund
cant get fairer than that but im sure youll be impressed and yourll be doing your body a favour aswell...patternsco
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i do see where the OP is coming from on this one. im on a fair few other forums and none at all mention the ntbm products, there are lots of forums and it is slightly odd that this is the only one which praises the 'new pct' protocols. I find it a little difficult how otehr professional bodybuilders and forum members dont say anything like this forum, they cant all be out of date and uneducated in the advancement of PCT's??
In saying that i have bought some unleashed/post cycle, bridge and hcgenerate for this cycle, so i shall see. So far ive been taking hcgenerate and it seems to be doing the job, my balls are full, i actually stopped taking it for a week to see and it does work, unless thats coincidence.
End of the day if i have a good recovery whether placebo or not, ill continue to buy.
If you are curious about a product you will have to try it, because the reality is if you are skeptical of the legitimacy of reviews and recommendations, even if someone posted blood results you would mostly likely be skeptical of that too. IMO see for yourself.
In saying that i have bought some unleashed/post cycle, bridge and hcgenerate for this cycle, so i shall see. So far ive been taking hcgenerate and it seems to be doing the job, my balls are full, i actually stopped taking it for a week to see and it does work, unless thats coincidence.
End of the day if i have a good recovery whether placebo or not, ill continue to buy.
If you are curious about a product you will have to try it, because the reality is if you are skeptical of the legitimacy of reviews and recommendations, even if someone posted blood results you would mostly likely be skeptical of that too. IMO see for yourself.
bonacris
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Supplementreview.com is a good place to look.. Hcgenerate, unleashed and helladrol get some great reviews there and are regarded very highly. If the tried and tested method of nolva and Clomid works then stick with it
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Kid tempo
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All very interesting points. Suppose this is what makes advising supplement types and doses difficult because everyone's body chemistry reacts differently to drugs. I just felt the legitimacy of these products needed raising because they are very little known outside EF and I wouldent want to see my fellow gym monkeys burning money. This is supposed to be a fitness forum at the end of the day, not a NTBM forum. I would however be very interested to see how "patternsco" finds the the postcycle/unleashed combo. Please do keep us updated
you guys are right to be skeptical, you'd be idiots if you were not ! what with all the 1000's of fake products and scams out there.
I was too skeptical when i first purchsed some the range but they really work and work well, and like before you can send them back and get a refund if disapointed in any way.
As far as the reviews go it will depend upon which board your on and whether they are sponsored by N2BM, we are quite a small company and reletivly new (as was touched before), but our products and customer service/care are 2nd to none and we stand by our range so please feel free to try any product and claim a refund if not impressed in any way
I was too skeptical when i first purchsed some the range but they really work and work well, and like before you can send them back and get a refund if disapointed in any way.
As far as the reviews go it will depend upon which board your on and whether they are sponsored by N2BM, we are quite a small company and reletivly new (as was touched before), but our products and customer service/care are 2nd to none and we stand by our range so please feel free to try any product and claim a refund if not impressed in any way
Headholio
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I think its important to note that there are dozens, if not hundreds, of natural test boosters, anti estrogen, and liver support supplements on the market. NTBM certainly is NOT the only company marketing these things and is not the only company offering natural alternatives for pharmaceuticals.
Of course NTBM products get discussed more in an NTBM forum, but other forums discuss them too, and forums sponsored by other companies hype the products of those companies etc. But good products usually rise to the top based on customer satisfaction. Marketing can only go so far, and won't turn a worthless product into a popular one.
Of course NTBM products get discussed more in an NTBM forum, but other forums discuss them too, and forums sponsored by other companies hype the products of those companies etc. But good products usually rise to the top based on customer satisfaction. Marketing can only go so far, and won't turn a worthless product into a popular one.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I suggest that you try these products yourself and give us feedback on your experience. I also encourage you to run a log and look at some of the others who are running logs on Ntbm products. There will be a few people running new logs on some of Ntbm products in the near future. And remember that if you don't feel that these products did what they were supposed to you can get your money back. Ntbm is one of the few companies that stand behind their products with a money back guarantee. You have nothing to lose except your pre conceived notions that these products aren't effective. I've used them myself for the past couple years and continue to use them. I'm currently using hcgenerate, unleashed, n2guard, ntkts, wheytobuild, and n2slin during my tren, test, and mast run. I wouldn't recommend anything that I myself wouldn't personally use.
patternsco
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Great posts by all, liking this forum more and more
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