post cycle strength loss and gains?????

[CENTURION44]

Finished up my first cycle almost 2 months ago...did my pct and all is well...only question is...most times you hear horror stories people cycle get huge and lose it all...but the funny thing is...im still getting stronger..just yesterday i benched the most i have ever....4 reps no problem...i dont get it....i was expecting a loss....maybe im just lucky????? i mean im not as big..some of the size is gone....but all the strength and then some is there...which is fine with me.... did 12 weeks of sust and deca....6'3 230lbs

 

[jeb0177]

for me I stayed with the muscle but I had water weight. as far as strenght goes, yesterday I benched a bit more than I used to while on gear, I'm still in pct though. but think we're lucky. previous cycles I get stonger and stronger and I manage to stayed with it. I guess is key is to stay constant while you're on or off.

 

[BIGJAKE]

in my experience when i come off i will only lose some water thats it most all of my gains stay strength,size everything.but i also stay eating clean and never stop lifting.and the proper pct is a must

 

[jeb0177]

what is your pct looks like bro? just to get different opinions you know.

 

[BIGJAKE]

i go hcg 500iu 2 tmes a week entire cycle 10mg nolva entire cycle and pct
a-dex .5 eod entire cycle.then clomid 3 weeks after last shot depending on what kind of test i run but usally 3 weeks clomid 300mg day1 100mg 10 days
50mg 10 days.

 

[jeb0177]

Oh I see, I use 250 iu's of hcg the last three weeks of my cycle and I run nolva 20mg along with it too. then after my last shot of test per say enathate I wait 10 days then start clomid at 50mg and 40 of nolva for my whole pct which is three weeks right. so the reason I don't run the clomid at high doses i get the "sensitive sides" I can't watch a depressive movie with gf because I get like her. can you belive it? that's fucked up. Now I do it like this so I won't get sentimental and shit like that. that really sucks for me dude. right?

 

[BIGJAKE]

i do also get the sensitive sides but i dont care that much so i am a little bitch for a couple of weeks it better than crashing hu. ya my pct is usally 3 weeks in length.so do you run hcg also durning your pct or just in the last 3 weeks of your cycle.

 

[mrjrock19]

i think the reason a lot of guys loose a lot of their gains is bc they dont have the drive to go workout anymore... i know i live to workout when i am on gear but after i get off i just dont have the drive anymore

 

[jeb0177]

i do also get the sensitive sides but i dont care that much so i am a little bitch for a couple of weeks it better than crashing hu. ya my pct is usally 3 weeks in length.so do you run hcg also durning your pct or just in the last 3 weeks of your cycle.

I usually run it 3 week of my cycle, some time ago I got athrophy at the 4th week with deca so I had to run it all the way through. this cycle that i'm coming out of i did 500 of test and 400 of eq for 20 weeks and no atrophy what so ever. that's weird huh? I've read a lot of hcg and I've heard and read that you don't supposed to use it for pct. when got my results back of test, it came back at 255ng and at that lab the ranges were different from the previous lab that I used to get my lab work done as far as testosterone levels. anyways their ranges were 100ng to 500ng so I was kind of normal levels but on the previous one their ranges were 500 to 1200ng for normal levels. what do you think bro.

 

[BIGJAKE]

to be honest i am not sure what my t levels were on my last blood work.
but i think dont quote me but i think its like 500 -1000 for normal

 

[jeb0177]

that's cool.

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

Is nolva as good as clomid for PCT?

 

[wnt2bBeast]

i think the reason a lot of guys loose a lot of their gains is bc they dont have the drive to go workout anymore... i know i live to workout when i am on gear but after i get off i just dont have the drive anymore

i think most msitake water weight for muscle..some water is a good thing for joints and added strength.personally im more fired up after a cycle to try to keep my weight and strength as close to cycle peak as possible..you need to use techniques to keep your motivation there otherwise youll wind up just another fat juicehead!!

 

[evander1972]

I was running Dbol at 35mg pd for 4 weeks and Sust at 650mg pw for 10 weeks. One week before my last shot of Sust I started HCG at 500 iu's eod for 9 shots. Then 3 weeks after last shot of Sust I did Nolva at 40mg pd for a week then 20 mg for a week then 10 mg for 2 weeks. I made a full recovery and lost no strength. I losr water and some stamina but no ultimate strength.

 

[slat1]

jeb0177 keep an eye on how long it takes test ent to clear your system. If you start Clomid before it does clear then the Clomid will shut you down farther and cause gyno symptoms. I would wait an extra 4 days to make the total time off 14 days instead of ten!
I did a cycle similar to one the one mentioned with Test/deca. I used HCG during and Clomid after. I dropped 6 lbs... water I believe. No strength loss at all!
Nice to see everyone doing PCT and research!

 

[desman]

jeb0177 keep an eye on how long it takes test ent to clear your system. If you start Clomid before it does clear then the Clomid will shut you down farther and cause gyno symptoms. I would wait an extra 4 days to make the total time off 14 days instead of ten!
I did a cycle similar to one the one mentioned with Test/deca. I used HCG during and Clomid after. I dropped 6 lbs... water I believe. No strength loss at all!
Nice to see everyone doing PCT and research!

or better yet, run something like prop for 3 weeks after last enanth. shot then start pct 4 days after last prop poke

 

[jeb0177]

jeb0177 keep an eye on how long it takes test ent to clear your system. If you start Clomid before it does clear then the Clomid will shut you down farther and cause gyno symptoms. I would wait an extra 4 days to make the total time off 14 days instead of ten!
I did a cycle similar to one the one mentioned with Test/deca. I used HCG during and Clomid after. I dropped 6 lbs... water I believe. No strength loss at all!
Nice to see everyone doing PCT and research!

yeah I know what you mean bro thanks for your suggestion. the reason I start at 10 is because I want to keep most of my gains I don't want to wait until the last minute to the drug to totally disapear out of my system I rather have it diminish as much as possible so that way I'm not totally drained out of test and I will have my clomid in my system trying to stimulate my LH glands. as far as gyno goes, as long as a take nolva to bind my receptors I think I'm fine, besides that I will use an anti-e because I know that I will have a lot of estrogen floating around. I will keep that In mind and maybe start at the 13th day and see how it goes. I will keep you updated bro.

 

[jeb0177]

or better yet, run something like prop for 3 weeks after last enanth. shot then start pct 4 days after last prop poke

that's what I would do for my next cyclet running prop for the last 3 weeks and then start my pct after 3-4 days that way my test en will be out of my system by then.

 

[shotgunmike]

Starting week 4 of pct clomid 100/75/50/25 and nolva 40/30/20/20/10...out of a 6week pct. Ran 14 weeks test prop 150 eod and eq at 600 week. No strength losses....still very strong. Started @ 248 and went to 263, but BF went from 23% to 17% ......Weight dropped from 263 to 255 during first 2 weeks pct. 3rd week went up to 259. Didnt run any HCG during cycle. Ran proviron for most of it and then started nolva @ 20mg daily two weeks before last shot. Supplements im taking.
CLA, ALAs, DHEA, relora, multivitamin, milk thistle, creatine, glutamine, alanine, arginine, calcium/magnesium supps,,,,,
hoping to retain as much strength as possible.