post cycle gyno, help!

[bluetoolpaul]

Ok. Did a ten week cycle. Started off test e and deca 500mg of each per week. started getting gyno symptoms right off the bat. stopped the deca switched to sus 250 and eq at 500 mg each per week(i know it wasn't long enough just wanted something extra in my cycle). got letrozole to combat the gyno. it worked. i stocked up on anti e's and started post cycle therapy week 3 w/ nolvadex 40mg a day w/ a-dex at .5 a day. I decided to get some sustain alpha. Great shit, everything got better in the gym and w/ my mood w/in a couple of days.

However, my nips are swollen and puffy and itchy again. I've had gyno surgery once and don't want it again but i don't want to keep running letrozole into pct. My question to you all is, What is my best course of action? Stick it out w/ teh nolva and a-dex for anti e or go back to the letro to make sure it doesn't turn into gyno again, i already feel a freakin' lump under the nipple again, help!!!!

 

[GUARDIAN]

letrozole & nolva.

 

[needtogetaas]

Ok. Did a ten week cycle. Started off testosterone enanthate and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 500mg of each per week. started getting gynecomastia symptoms right off the bat. stopped the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - switched to sus 250 and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - at 500 mg each per week(i know it wasn't long enough just wanted something extra in my cycle). got letrozole to combat the gynecomastia. it worked. i stocked up on anti e's and started post cycle therapy week 3 w/ nolvadex 40mg a day w/ a-dex at .5 a day. I decided to get some sustain alpha. Great shit, everything got better in the gym and w/ my mood w/in a couple of days.

However, my nips are swollen and puffy and itchy again. I've had gynecomastia surgery once and don't want it again but i don't want to keep running letrozole into PCT - post cycle therapy - . My question to you all is, What is my best course of action? Stick it out w/ teh Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and a-dex for anti e or go back to the Femera - letrozole - to make sure it doesn't turn into gynecomastia again, i already feel a freakin' lump under the nipple again, help!!!!

You have rebound bro. You need to take 2.5mg letro oed along with .5mg Dostinex every 3 days. Since you are using the sustain alpha sex drive will not be a problem... Once the gyno gos down then switch to clomid not nolva 50mg ed for a few weeks.

Your cycle was with test and deca bro. So prog and estro rebound is most likely the problem right now. What I laid out should take care of it. You need any more help,a walk threw,or any kind of help just send me a pm.

 

[lartinos]

I would go with what needto is saying bro, there is a study showing that taking Femera - letrozole - and nolvadex together lessens the effect of them BTW.

 

[bluetoolpaul]

Your cycle was with test and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - bro.

Even though i only did the deca for 2 weeks? Whoa.... Thx guys, seriously. I don't have dostinex on hand but I can find it. I've got everything else....

I've been putting off taking the clomid though, i hear all these sides from it, hoping i could skip it w/ the sustain and nolva. I'll switch it though

 

[needtogetaas]

Even though i only did the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - for 2 weeks? Whoa.... Thx guys, seriously. I don't have dostinex on hand but I can find it. I've got everything else....

I've been putting off taking the clomid though, i hear all these sides from it, hoping i could skip it w/ the sustain and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - . I'll switch it though

The fact that you took only 2 weeks of deca and then stopped could have fucked things up more then you know. Sounds pretty unstable if you ask me. I would always say to use the sustain alpha for pct but in this case where you have rebound you need to use the letro and dos then switch to something a little stronger then sustain to prevent another rebound.

 

[bluetoolpaul]

Thx again Needto. Will definitely do. I learned ALOT from this cycle. My 2nd one. I definitely know what not to do now.

Lifesavers once again...

 

[nzrodney]

Dont hit 2.5mg letro from day one. The correct proceedure is to start at .25mg day one then increase to .5mg day two, 1mg day three, 1.5mg day four, 2 mg day five, 2.5mg day six. Stay at 2.5mg until the gyno lump reduces, stay at that dose for another week, then taper down in reverse to avoid estrogen rebound. Then on the last day of letro begin Nolva at 20mg ED into a normal PCT or for another 2-3 weeks if on cycle. Or another AI like arimidex at .5mg ED. The puffy swollen nips are more likely to be prolactin gyno from the deca. As stated above .5mg dostrinex EOD or E3D should do the job & /or high dose B6 can also work. It seems to help if you run Test at a higher level than deca say 750mg/500mg ratio.

 

[OMEGA]

your having rebound issues

Aromasin at 10 mgs a day for 3-4 weeks should solve it and also boost Test a bit for recovery

 

[GUARDIAN]

I still say Nolva would be good in addition to the letrozole. U r far enough removed from the deca for it not to be an issue.

 

[lartinos]

Drug and hormone interactions of aromatase inhibitors.

Dowsett M.

Academic Department of Biochemistry, The Royal Marsden NHS Trust, London, UK.

The clinical development of aromatase inhibitors has been largely confined to postmenopausal breast cancer patients and strongly guided by pharmacological data. Comparative oestrogen suppression has been helpful in circumstances in which at least one of the comparitors has caused substantially non-maximal aromatase inhibition. However, the triazole inhibitors, letrozole and anastrozole, and the steroidal inhibitor, exemestane, all cause >95% inhibition. Comparisons between these drugs therefore require more sensitive approaches such as the direct measurement of enzyme activity by isotopic means. None of these three agents has significant effects on other endocrine pathways at its clinically applied doses. Pharmacokinetic analyses of the combination of tamoxifen and letrozole have revealed that these drugs interact, resulting in letrozole concentrations approximately 35-40% lower than when letrozole is used alone.