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Post-Cycle Depression: Injection Addiction

Moe

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Everyone has a way of dealing with post-cycle depression. Some use extensive stacks consisting of creatine, glutamine, 5HTP, Maca, Proviron, HCG etc. etc. Others simply dive into depression headlong, trying desperately to maintain focus and motivation, often to little or no avail.

I am perhaps closer to the later than the former. While I make certian to complete clomid therapy and continue with my liquidex (see Huck), as well as large doses of creatine and glutamine, I still face the dilemma of weight loss (percieved or otherwise) and the corresponding mood swings--even AFTER clomid therapy.

Many of you are in the same boat as I--or should I say sinking ship. Post-cycle depression can and does kick our asses.

In an effort to combat diminished gains as well as diminished self-esteem, many in the muscle-sport community advocate bridging with mild doses of AS. This notion, I must admit, becomes more and more tempthing after each subsequent cycle. For me, however, the fear of being"on" for too long a period of time is, well, a bit scary. We have all been told that time on should equal time off...but what if there is no time off? What then?

What we often fail to ask ourselves, and eachother, is what causes post-cycle depression?

Clearly there is a biological component--specifically one of hormone balance, and the body's need to seek homiostasis. Like a bodybuilder seeking symetry in his physique, soo to does teh body seek balance with regard to hormones. When manipulating your body's basic chemistry, you cannot expect to be entirely free of complications. That is why we seek to minimize such effects. Still, the effects are real, and mpore prevalent in some than others.

Addiction. A dirty word, yes, but another real fear to be confronted just the same. The body, as it adjusts to high amounts of exogenous hormones becomes dependent upon said hormones to keep the machine in working order. This is furrther complicated by the ever-growing workload that the body is subjected to--both in terms of muscle resistance in the gym and the hormones themselves. So too does it affect us psychogocially. As we grow, and that is what we are all trying to do, we begin to see ourselves differently. As our self image and perceptions change, we develop a psychological imprint of that progress, of our growth. Following a cycle, many of us, even those who take the appropriate measures, often have to confront our new psychological imprint of self perception. With diminished gains, that often results in a certain level of depression--"withdrawl"

I am wondering here if perhaps there isn't another type of addiction all together. The adddiction of process.

As humans we are creatures of habit. We adjust quickly to our surroundings and external influences--in this case our cycle. However, this habitualization goes far beyond the body's response to external hormones. The process of AS use, the swallowing of pills, the daily grind of injections, teh close and consistent monitoring of progress can all lead to a synergistically positive mindset. Much in teh way recerational drug users react differently to substances depending if they are with their friends or alone, so to we react differently to our workouts when we are "on" versus when we are "off". We become addicted to the process.

The success of our workouts is largely influenced by our mindset, and our mindset is necessarily influenced by the process of AS use. In our minds, even outside of a physilogical context, we associate successful workouts with, say, our daily injection of Tren. Without the injection stimulus, the mind is not prepared to react to the workout stimulus, hence neither is the body. We have become addicted to sticking a needle in our [insert body-part here].

As food for thought, I was wondering to myself, and now to EliteFitness, weather post-cycle depression (in part a byproduct of injection addiction) may be allieviated by the use of sterile site oils, or Synthol.

Yes, I know this substance has a bad reputation here and elsewhere in teh muscle-sport community. Yes, synthol is shit, synthol is for lazy fucks who don't want to put in the time, synthol is the very ruin of bodybuilding...blah, blah, blah. I too am against the use of site enhancing oils (at least in competition). But, if injecting a couple of cc into one's bis or tris, (or whereever) on a daily basis can help contribute to a positive mindset, would not the use of posing oils necessarily (or at least potentially) contribute to a more positive mind-muscle connection? I wonder.
 
damn good post!! most bro's jump into juicing head first and dont plan on the aftermath of it all...depression,weight loss, even suicide.
 
i know what your talking about. its hard to come off and actually stay off to let everything return to homeostasis. i think about my next cycle the whole time im "off"

hell, even when im "on" i can't wait for my next shot. EOD is about as long as i can go between shots without going crazy. i like to do ED b/c that way i get to shoot everyday. i guess its like a constant reminder that im "on". the sick thing is that i terribly hate needles. i can't stand 'em, but fuck when it comes time to take my next inject i don't hesitate... its weird
 
Good Post!!!!!

most people don't think about it like that, they blame it on this and that, while they become more obsessive and compulsive. and unhappy.

Very Good Analysis.

Is this something you just sat down and wrote, or has this been on your mind?

Karma to you!
 
That is a great post! I too have wondered about all of those topics in post-cycle blue--I'd never say I've been depressed. I have always fought it every step of the way, finishing CLomid/HCG therapy and following with test. boosters like tribulus. I posted "TO bridge or not to bridge" a long time ago, and this time I've elected to bridge with Anavar. Some have suggested that this is addiciton; perhaps to a slight degree, but I HATE losing any hard-earned gains, so why not use a mild AS to help prevent that????
 
Outstanding post! I think by nature many of us have obsessive personalities (at least about our appearance/performance). After all steroids are drugs. Some people can handle them and others can't. ie. We all know people who are assholes when they drink. Without trying to sound like a bed wetting liberal, addiction is a disease and those with addictive personalities need to take precautions when coming off the gear.
 
It's only an addiction if you feel guilty about it. I love the fact that I take steroids, and I'm proud of it. If I'm addicted to steroids, then I'm also addicted to busting my ass in the gym, to pushing myself to the limit, and to attracting beautiful women because of my muscular development. My point is that I don't like the word addiction.
 
It's only an addiction if you feel guilty about it. I love the fact that I take steroids, and I'm proud of it. If I'm addicted to steroids, then I'm also addicted to busting my ass in the gym, to pushing myself to the limit, and to attracting beautiful women because of my muscular development. My point is that I don't like the word addiction.
 
Excellent post. But I dont think synthol is the answer to post-cycle depression. If you have reached a point where the only way to obtain a positive mindest about lifting, or living for that matter, is to continuously inject yourself with some oil or steroid, then its time to take a step back and re-evaluate the reason you got in this game to begin with.

We all use steroids for different reasons, but I think the desired end effect is pretty much the same for everyone, to feel good about yourself. But when addiction takes control, that end result can never be reached, because simply knowing your addicted to something can only bring you down, (at least I dont know anyone that feels good about an addiction they suffer from) btw in no way did i mean to offend or insult anyone with this post, I just think some people tread to close to the edge in this game, and when all is said and done, they are worse off than when they started... :confused:
 
When I did my first and only cycle around 4 years ago I had just started a new job in the fast paced high pressure software development industry. I waited for a couple of months after starting my new job before I hit the cycle. I have excelled in my career and I advanced very quicky almost doubling my salary within a 2 years. I really believe that the cylce had something to do with this. It gave me a more aggressive attitude toward the gym, toward learning and enabled me to have the confidence to step up and take charge within my company (I'm not normally a leader). Without the confidence and additional aggression (controlled aggression can be a very powerful tool) from the cycle, training, etc. I don't think I would have done as well with my career. This is probably what I miss most about the cycle and being on.
 
T-Rage. I hear you 100%. Your body composition plays a huge part in your self esteem and as a result your relations with others. While I'm not cocky, I do exhibit alot of self confidence that is probably gear related.
 
T-Rage said:
When I did my first and only cycle around 4 years ago I had just started a new job in the fast paced high pressure software development industry. I waited for a couple of months after starting my new job before I hit the cycle. I have excelled in my career and I advanced very quicky almost doubling my salary within a 2 years. I really believe that the cylce had something to do with this. It gave me a more aggressive attitude toward the gym, toward learning and enabled me to have the confidence to step up and take charge within my company (I'm not normally a leader). Without the confidence and additional aggression (controlled aggression can be a very powerful tool) from the cycle, training, etc. I don't think I would have done as well with my career. This is probably what I miss most about the cycle and being on.

sounds like roids where the best thing that happend to you, this thread is for us depressed folks lol
 
Don't come off, nobody likes a quitter.. Even though I lick the needle clean when I pull it out, I still don't believe I have a problem....

I honestly believe the more I learn it may be better to just stay on HRT for life. Low dose forever, no sides, no swings... (for us slightly older lifters)..
 
the truth of the matter is once you look a certain way and feel a certain way because of the use of steroids you cannot accept looking and feeling any other way.

5 years ago-did 3 cycles. 195lbs 10%BF, bench over 325. looked good, felt good, felt healthy, confident, attractive, stood out in a crowd, king of the world

now-lucky if i train 3 days/wk, 195 16%BF, lucky if i can max 275. feel like shit, look like shit, bad back, creaks all over, not confident, dont feel attractive (doesnt really matter as much cause im married now), just another shmo and totally unmotivated.

And I'm constantly looking back on how I looked and felt back in the day. There hasent been a day that has gone by over the last 5 years where I havent thought about juicing again. If thats not mental addiction, what is???

Well I'm giving in to it, starting in the next 2 weeks.:mad
 
Excellent post.

I am faced with some choices about my AAS use - recently having completed a couple short cycles with significant gains, as well as numerous other benefits: feeling of well being, sex drive, motivation, etc. After 15 years, the genie has been let out of the bottle again.

At 43, I am struggling to face the realities of getting older. HRT is probably my best bet to face the challenges ahead. Why work for weeks / months to restore a low normal level that will still leave me feeling less than fully fit, unable to workout and perform in other ways, at the level I have enjoyed most of my life? Yet, I have always hated the very thought of being addicted to anything. So it goes, around and around in my head.

Am i just being stubborn? Somebody tell me its OK. Damn Clomid.

Oh, about the needles, and OCD, no doubt you are on to something. The cycling on and off will tend to make one obsessive compulsive. I think it would be difficult to avoid.
 
Triple J said:
Excellent post.

I am faced with some choices about my AAS use - recently having completed a couple short cycles with significant gains, as well as numerous other benefits: feeling of well being, sex drive, motivation, etc. After 15 years, the genie has been let out of the bottle again.

At 43, I am struggling to face the realities of getting older. HRT is probably my best bet to face the challenges ahead. Why work for weeks / months to restore a low normal level that will still leave me feeling less than fully fit, unable to workout and perform in other ways, at the level I have enjoyed most of my life? Yet, I have always hated the very thought of being addicted to anything. So it goes, around and around in my head.

Am i just being stubborn? Somebody tell me its OK. Damn Clomid.

Oh, about the needles, and OCD, no doubt you are on to something. The cycling on and off will tend to make one obsessive compulsive. I think it would be difficult to avoid.


Good thoughts. But at 31 I suffer from low test, it's not just 'old' guys. If I had good natty test, cycles would be more appealing but when I come off, it's bad. Moderation and feeling good for life is more important to me. I have read countless post of bro's in your shoes who wish they would have started HRT long ago. I never worried about being labeled obsessive / compulsive, that's usually someone trying to run down my dedication.
 
Spectre said:



Good thoughts. But at 31 I suffer from low test, it's not just 'old' guys. If I had good natty test, cycles would be more appealing but when I come off, it's bad. Moderation and feeling good for life is more important to me. I have read countless post of bro's in your shoes who wish they would have started HRT long ago. I never worried about being labeled obsessive / compulsive, that's usually someone trying to run down my dedication.

The OCD does not bother me either, just being dependent. I do think the cycling tends to make one more OCD, whereas if you are either on or off all the time, this would create a more stable mindset. If natural test is low for whatever reason, age-related or not, then HRT probably makes sense once other issues are ruled out, not just for workouts, but quality of life, and health. But as one gets older the cause is probably years and that is not easy for me to admit. Just stubborn, I guess!! But I am coming around.
 
Many of you have said this but I wanted to reiterate the point. A lot of how you do post cycle is the perspective that you have going into the cycle beforehand. With all of the information out there, clearly the changes that will occur post cycle are known. I think it is how the user understand what to expect and then developes a plan to deal with it. I look at it as having two seperate training phases over time. Once the cycle is over, give the body a different training regime, lighten the weights, focus on form, lower calories, lean out a little, you may learn to love that phase as well. Actually, it is well known that if you do the right things between cycles it will enhance your next cycle. Having a plan and realistic expectations combined with consistency in training helps a lot. I do not think that staying on all of the time is the answer. Remember, as you age it the health of the internal organs that matter, you want to be careful about maintaining their optimum health. I will also state however that I do believe that these are personal decisions that we each make for ourselves and the need to be who we want to be is very important. Peace.
 
Triple J said:
Excellent post.

I am faced with some choices about my AAS use - recently having completed a couple short cycles with significant gains, as well as numerous other benefits: feeling of well being, sex drive, motivation, etc. After 15 years, the genie has been let out of the bottle again.

At 43, I am struggling to face the realities of getting older. HRT is probably my best bet to face the challenges ahead. Why work for weeks / months to restore a low normal level that will still leave me feeling less than fully fit, unable to workout and perform in other ways, at the level I have enjoyed most of my life? Yet, I have always hated the very thought of being addicted to anything. So it goes, around and around in my head.

Am i just being stubborn? Somebody tell me its OK. Damn Clomid.

Oh, about the needles, and OCD, no doubt you are on to something. The cycling on and off will tend to make one obsessive compulsive. I think it would be difficult to avoid.

Listen guys, I have a comment on the OCD part. I'm pretty sure Triple J is right. I have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, diagnosed and everything. OCD is purely mental fella's. I had it TERRIBLE (every sidewalk crack i walked by i had to stop and touch the tip of my toe behind it, etc.), but i eventually got over it. Its really tough. About the addiciton to process, I 100% support that theory. When i was younger one of my favorite things about smoke marijuana (dont anymore) was when i would get to roll that joint or whatnot. This is just my opinion.
 
Things are really hard this week. Body weight is WAY down, and I am really beginning to notice. Even my girlfriend asked, "Didn't that shirt used to be tighter?"

Damn it!

A week off, three weeks of clomid, and already I am about to jump back on. Sometimes this shit sucks. Sometimes I am weaker than I'd like to admit.
 
Moe said:
Things are really hard this week. Body weight is WAY down, and I am really beginning to notice. Even my girlfriend asked, "Didn't that shirt used to be tighter?"

Damn it!

A week off, three weeks of clomid, and already I am about to jump back on. Sometimes this shit sucks. Sometimes I am weaker than I'd like to admit.


dont jump back on just yet......
 
Fuck, I'm trying not to. I have a Valentines Weekend trip to Miami tenatively planned, but I may hate the dissapointment with my body on South Beach too much to go.

Actually, I may just use Valentine's Day as the earmark for what I am going to do. If I can regain focus, train hard, and eat clean (aside from Super Bowl Sunday), then maybe we can do this thing.

Or...I may follow my own hypothetical advice and give Synthol a whirl. A sterile oil can't do me any harm, at least in terms of my hormone balance, and the injection process may, as I have suggested, induce just the right amount of plecebo effect I am seeking to carry me through the clean spell. Besides, if it's not the injections, then the artificial pumps will do me wonders.

We'll see.

Thanks Georgie...
 
Moe; take it easy big fella. Don't get so wrapped up, your reaction is expected just move on through it. Is being pumped at the beach or not gonna make or break you? I hope not. I don't know you or have seen your pics, but you will more than likely look better than 90% of the population and be appealing to at least 75% of the girls (besides you have a girlfriend).... Set another goal and work towards it that plays in the big picture. Like drop 5% BF before the beach, work on the tan... You get the idea. Take it easy.
 
georgie24 said:
damn good post!! most bro's jump into juicing head first and dont plan on the aftermath of it all...depression,weight loss, even suicide.


Get this bullshit post off of here...come on bro, you've got to be kidding...suicide...you sound like some anti-steroid add.
 
Spectre,

Thanks. Yah, maybe I was looking for just a few words of encouragement, but you know how it can be. Hell, we all know.

I'm thinking maybe its time to find myself a training partner...someone who'se not afraid to push my limits, and more importantly, can.

Know of any good bros in the Chicago area?
 
the average pounds of muscle that one will naturally gain per year after the initial first year of training is between 5-10 pounds.
so think about it...
if you did an 8 week cycle and at the completion gained, lets say, 20 pounds of which 10 is muscle and 10 water.
on the 8 week off period you will lose those 10 pounds of water but still left with the 10 pounds of muscle. now, if you train correctly and eat right, you can keep half of that. that's 5 pounds of quality muscle in total time of 4 months!!!


i don't know about you but i'll take 5 pounds every 4 months and be very happy about it.
 
Stick to short cycles with drug choices that help you gain muscle, not water. Winny,eq, etc. Otherwise deal with the dramatic water loss thats inevitable with tests,dbal, etc, It will happen, no stopping that.

You are never going to feel as good off as on. There are some studies out there that talk about dopamine and upregulation of neurotransmitters from steroids and i'm not just talking dianabol.

CNS stimulation from high angdrogenic compoundslike Halo, have a amazing effect on mood, CNS stimulation, even with a one time dosing. Not recommending this but just goes to show how you feel on androgens as compared to off.
 
Triple J said:


The OCD does not bother me either, just being dependent. I do think the cycling tends to make one more OCD, whereas if you are either on or off all the time, this would create a more stable mindset. If natural test is low for whatever reason, age-related or not, then HRT probably makes sense once other issues are ruled out, not just for workouts, but quality of life, and health. But as one gets older the cause is probably years and that is not easy for me to admit. Just stubborn, I guess!! But I am coming around.

At 28 yrs old, I wasn't at all exited about having to rely on weekly shots for the rest of my life. now that I've been on HRT for 3 months I can tell you that looking back, I would not have made it to 30 without HRT. Quality of life and low test levels don't go together. I feel like I'm myself again after being lost for a yr. I am definately an addict but its to being happy feeling well, not to being mad huge or keeping every last lb of muscle. I just want the energy to get out if bed. If this means test in a bottle for the rest of my life then I'm resolved to shooting every wk for life.
 
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