jonny jacked said:i have used both products coming off cycle and recovered nicely. had blood work done to back it up
Mrpumped said:If you still have the blood work results post them up, please.
Nelson Montana said:Same here. I encourage every one to do pre and post blood tests. That proves what works and what doesn't.
Now I get blood work done every few months and I've tested every one of products personally since I know all the variables. (Test subjects can do lots of things to sckew results) and have found increased free T from UNLEASHED and lower e from POST CYCLE. (Liver enzymes were negledgable but never high anyway). But my results can obviously only be seen as biased, which is why I'd like to hear from more members.
Also, don't exclude general mood and libido. These can't be gauged -- only "felt."
Anthony Roberts said:Have you guys seen the MyoGenX bloodwork yet? It was like an 800% increase in test for hypogonadic subject...
dam 800% thats a lot. was that all natural? if it is im definatelly getting it. wont need AAS with all these great supps out there.Anthony Roberts said:Have you guys seen the MyoGenX bloodwork yet? It was like an 800% increase in test for hypogonadic subject...
cipherking said:dam 800% thats a lot. was that all natural? if it is im definatelly getting it. wont need anabolic androgenic steroids with all these great supps out there.
Nelson Montana said:Keep in mind, that was with "hypogonadal subjects."
I don't want to shoot down the enthusiasm, especially for my companies products, but I do want to be straight up here.
If someones T is in the gutter -- let's say at 50 mgs, and it goes up to 400 mgs -- that's an increase of 800%. Now that's pretty damn fucking good! BUT, we don't want to give the impression that anyone who takes UNLEASHED or MyogenX will increase their testosterone level anywhere near a superphysiological level hundreds of times higher no matter what the baseline is.
However, no matter where your baseline is, even if it's high, it will go higher.
One other reminder -- Myogenx works by increasing L.H. and UNLEASHED works by lowering S H B G. So they should be used just as you would use drugs which do the same thing. Yet, since they're not supressive they can be used anytime.
boston789 said:Fair enough....thanks for the candidness.
Now one more quesiton....what happends to your levels when you come off Unleashed or Myogenx?
Nelson Montana said:In the case of UNLEASHED they will return to the starting leve under normal circumstances. (Nothing is forever). BUT...there's no supression, so that's a pretty good trade off.
In the case of using it PC T, it'll give a jump start to having higher free T while you recoup naturally.
With MyogenX I'm not certain since I didn't do the testing on it but I'm going to guess and say it'll be the same thing. However, since it works to increase L.H. it's something you might want to cycle anyway.
boston789 said:When you mean they return to start level under normal circumstances you mean your natural T levels correct? Not what they were right before you started using Unleased....
got your point. thanks for being honest bro. thats hard to find these days. i know everyone is different. i think it will do great things for me. quick question what drug increases your L.H.?Nelson Montana said:Keep in mind, that was with "hypogonadal subjects."
I don't want to shoot down the enthusiasm, especially for my companies products, but I do want to be straight up here.
If someones T is in the gutter -- let's say at 50 mgs, and it goes up to 400 mgs -- that's an increase of 800%. Now that's pretty damn fucking good! BUT, we don't want to give the impression that anyone who takes UNLEASHED or MyogenX will increase their testosterone level anywhere near a superphysiological level hundreds of times higher no matter what the baseline is.
However, no matter where your baseline is, even if it's high, it will go higher.
One other reminder -- Myogenx works by increasing L.H. and UNLEASHED works by lowering S H B G. So they should be used just as you would use drugs which do the same thing. Yet, since they're not supressive they can be used anytime.
cipherking said:got your point. thanks for being honest bro. thats hard to find these days. i know everyone is different. i think it will do great things for me. quick question what drug increases your L.H.?
cipherking said:i guess i can look foward to my nuts getting bigger.lol i didnt know that HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - can increase strength.
thanks bro just what i wanted to here. trying to dial down what i want in a supp regiment.ekbenzo said:i love myogenx(still using it and will keep on using it).hated unleashed,didnt do much for me.cyogenx is better.
ekbenzo said:i love myogenx(still using it and will keep on using it).hated unleashed,didnt do much for me.cyogenx is better.
boston789 said:Nelson,
I ordered some Vigor and will be here today. How do you suggest taking it?
jmead said:big blast orange tastes like shit haha, do they have a "i dont like the flavor i picked" return policy..
hey since u guys are talking about it, what all the choices that u have to make when ordering big blast. do i need a sweetner? what is carbogen? what about ATP. do i need all those. what do u guys suggest?Nelson Montana said:They have 3 orange flavors (in general I think they have too many options). The "natural" orange does taste like shit. But I think the "Tropical" Orange is awsome and most seem to agree. Hey bro, it's still good stuff. Swig it down like a man!Next time you can always go with unflavored. I prefer to make my own vanilla and chocolate that way.
cipherking said:hey since u guys are talking about it, what all the choices that u have to make when ordering big blast. do i need a sweetner? what is carbogen? what about ATP. do i need all those. what do u guys suggest?
why did u add sucrolose? just wondering.Nelson Montana said:BIG BLAST has natural sweeteners (dextrose and hydrolyzed rice syrup) so you don't need it but I add the sucrolose with it.
Nelson Montana said:One serving right before training will provide strength and a fuller pump and and one right after to help maintain it. Although there should be an immediate reaction the effects will accumulate over the next few weeks.
cipherking said:hey nelson i was doing a search online of myogenx and i can across bodybuilding.com
they sell it but the dose is double then the one on protien factorys site. did they change it? and if they did why?
anthony, i didnt know u were so well known all over the net. I dont know how u get anything done being on so many boards..lol i didnt find a single bad thing about myogenx thats what made me order it yesturday. keep up the research u are doing,people like me really apreicate being able to put on muscle with out sticking my self.thanks.Anthony Roberts said:We made the pills 1/2 as big and gave you 2x as many. This way you can take half a dose, or whatever.
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