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boston789

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I tried this post in the supplement forum and got nothing so I'll try it here:

I am looking to give these supplements a try. Has anyone tried one of them or both?

What do you guys think of protein factory's supplements?

Do they work?

Thanks!
 
Sorry to see you're not getting answers, I'd like to hear more responses myself. I've gotten PM's from a bunch of guys saying it's working great for them. I know Stryker came off a long ass cycle and used them both and had a happy landing.
 
I haven't used those supps but I am enjoying 2 different custom protein blends. their service was top notch and if these products are indicative of proteinfactory.com as a whole then I would say they are good.
 
I ordered some Vigor so that should be here in a couple of days. I will try that out first and see how that works.
 
I get literally tons of e-mails from people saying the PF line of products that me and Nelson have designed are working great for people. Hell....I mean...we get tons of repeat buyers, so that's a good sign that they're doing something.
 
jonny jacked said:
i have used both products coming off cycle and recovered nicely. had blood work done to back it up

If you still have the blood work results post them up, please.
 
Have you guys seen the MyoGenX bloodwork yet? It was like an 800% increase in test for hypogonadic subject...
 
Mrpumped said:
If you still have the blood work results post them up, please.

Same here. I encourage every one to do pre and post blood tests. That proves what works and what doesn't.

Now I get blood work done every few months and I've tested every one of products personally since I know all the variables. (Test subjects can do lots of things to sckew results) and have found increased free T from UNLEASHED and lower e from POST CYCLE. (Liver enzymes were negledgable but never high anyway). But my results can obviously only be seen as biased, which is why I'd like to hear from more members.

Also, don't exclude general mood and libido. These can't be gauged -- only "felt."
 
Nelson Montana said:
Same here. I encourage every one to do pre and post blood tests. That proves what works and what doesn't.

Now I get blood work done every few months and I've tested every one of products personally since I know all the variables. (Test subjects can do lots of things to sckew results) and have found increased free T from UNLEASHED and lower e from POST CYCLE. (Liver enzymes were negledgable but never high anyway). But my results can obviously only be seen as biased, which is why I'd like to hear from more members.

Also, don't exclude general mood and libido. These can't be gauged -- only "felt."

Sounds good.
 
The thing is, and I'm sure this is why Nelson isn't putting up his own bloodwork....

I didn't even use MyoGenX for months after it was out. Why? Because whatever I say about it, when I use it, is going to seem biased. I didn't even bother using it for that reason.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Have you guys seen the MyoGenX bloodwork yet? It was like an 800% increase in test for hypogonadic subject...
dam 800% thats a lot. was that all natural? if it is im definatelly getting it. wont need AAS with all these great supps out there.
 
cipherking said:
dam 800% thats a lot. was that all natural? if it is im definatelly getting it. wont need anabolic androgenic steroids with all these great supps out there.


Keep in mind, that was with "hypogonadal subjects."

I don't want to shoot down the enthusiasm, especially for my companies products, but I do want to be straight up here.

If someones T is in the gutter -- let's say at 50 mgs, and it goes up to 400 mgs -- that's an increase of 800%. Now that's pretty damn fucking good! BUT, we don't want to give the impression that anyone who takes UNLEASHED or MyogenX will increase their testosterone level anywhere near a superphysiological level hundreds of times higher no matter what the baseline is.

However, no matter where your baseline is, even if it's high, it will go higher.

One other reminder -- Myogenx works by increasing L.H. and UNLEASHED works by lowering S H B G. So they should be used just as you would use drugs which do the same thing. Yet, since they're not supressive they can be used anytime.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Keep in mind, that was with "hypogonadal subjects."

I don't want to shoot down the enthusiasm, especially for my companies products, but I do want to be straight up here.

If someones T is in the gutter -- let's say at 50 mgs, and it goes up to 400 mgs -- that's an increase of 800%. Now that's pretty damn fucking good! BUT, we don't want to give the impression that anyone who takes UNLEASHED or MyogenX will increase their testosterone level anywhere near a superphysiological level hundreds of times higher no matter what the baseline is.

However, no matter where your baseline is, even if it's high, it will go higher.

One other reminder -- Myogenx works by increasing L.H. and UNLEASHED works by lowering S H B G. So they should be used just as you would use drugs which do the same thing. Yet, since they're not supressive they can be used anytime.

Fair enough....thanks for the candidness.

Now one more quesiton....what happends to your levels when you come off Unleashed or Myogenx?
 
boston789 said:
Fair enough....thanks for the candidness.

Now one more quesiton....what happends to your levels when you come off Unleashed or Myogenx?

In the case of UNLEASHED they will return to the starting leve under normal circumstances. (Nothing is forever). BUT...there's no supression, so that's a pretty good trade off.

In the case of using it PC T, it'll give a jump start to having higher free T while you recoup naturally.

With MyogenX I'm not certain since I didn't do the testing on it but I'm going to guess and say it'll be the same thing. However, since it works to increase L.H. it's something you might want to cycle anyway.
 
Nelson Montana said:
In the case of UNLEASHED they will return to the starting leve under normal circumstances. (Nothing is forever). BUT...there's no supression, so that's a pretty good trade off.

In the case of using it PC T, it'll give a jump start to having higher free T while you recoup naturally.

With MyogenX I'm not certain since I didn't do the testing on it but I'm going to guess and say it'll be the same thing. However, since it works to increase L.H. it's something you might want to cycle anyway.

When you mean they return to start level under normal circumstances you mean your natural T levels correct? Not what they were right before you started using Unleased....
 
boston789 said:
When you mean they return to start level under normal circumstances you mean your natural T levels correct? Not what they were right before you started using Unleased....


Exactly. Not a "supressed" level, but your "normal" level.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Keep in mind, that was with "hypogonadal subjects."

I don't want to shoot down the enthusiasm, especially for my companies products, but I do want to be straight up here.

If someones T is in the gutter -- let's say at 50 mgs, and it goes up to 400 mgs -- that's an increase of 800%. Now that's pretty damn fucking good! BUT, we don't want to give the impression that anyone who takes UNLEASHED or MyogenX will increase their testosterone level anywhere near a superphysiological level hundreds of times higher no matter what the baseline is.

However, no matter where your baseline is, even if it's high, it will go higher.

One other reminder -- Myogenx works by increasing L.H. and UNLEASHED works by lowering S H B G. So they should be used just as you would use drugs which do the same thing. Yet, since they're not supressive they can be used anytime.
got your point. thanks for being honest bro. thats hard to find these days. i know everyone is different. i think it will do great things for me. quick question what drug increases your L.H.?
 
cipherking said:
got your point. thanks for being honest bro. thats hard to find these days. i know everyone is different. i think it will do great things for me. quick question what drug increases your L.H.?

HCG
 
cipherking said:
i guess i can look foward to my nuts getting bigger.lol i didnt know that HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - can increase strength.


Slightly since T will go up. HC G is used more to get L.H. going which causes the testes to work, making them fuller. L.H. also increases estrogen.
 
i love myogenx(still using it and will keep on using it).hated unleashed,didnt do much for me.cyogenx is better.
 
ekbenzo said:
i love myogenx(still using it and will keep on using it).hated unleashed,didnt do much for me.cyogenx is better.
thanks bro just what i wanted to here. trying to dial down what i want in a supp regiment.
 
ekbenzo said:
i love myogenx(still using it and will keep on using it).hated unleashed,didnt do much for me.cyogenx is better.

Always open to suggestions. When you say UNLEASHED "didn't do much", what were the conditions. Some people say Proviron doesn't do much so it depends on how it's used. Also, how did MyogenX help?
 
boston789 said:
Nelson,

I ordered some Vigor and will be here today. How do you suggest taking it?

One serving right before training will provide strength and a fuller pump and and one right after to help maintain it. Although there should be an immediate reaction the effects will accumulate over the next few weeks.
 
big blast orange tastes like shit haha, do they have a "i dont like the flavor i picked" return policy..
 
jmead said:
big blast orange tastes like shit haha, do they have a "i dont like the flavor i picked" return policy..

They have 3 orange flavors (in general I think they have too many options). The "natural" orange does taste like shit. But I think the "Tropical" Orange is awsome and most seem to agree. Hey bro, it's still good stuff. Swig it down like a man! :) Next time you can always go with unflavored. I prefer to make my own vanilla and chocolate that way.
 
Nelson Montana said:
They have 3 orange flavors (in general I think they have too many options). The "natural" orange does taste like shit. But I think the "Tropical" Orange is awsome and most seem to agree. Hey bro, it's still good stuff. Swig it down like a man! :) Next time you can always go with unflavored. I prefer to make my own vanilla and chocolate that way.
hey since u guys are talking about it, what all the choices that u have to make when ordering big blast. do i need a sweetner? what is carbogen? what about ATP. do i need all those. what do u guys suggest?
 
cipherking said:
hey since u guys are talking about it, what all the choices that u have to make when ordering big blast. do i need a sweetner? what is carbogen? what about ATP. do i need all those. what do u guys suggest?

BIG BLAST has natural sweeteners (dextrose and hydrolyzed rice syrup) so you don't need it but I add the sucrolose with it.
 
hey nelson i was doing a search online of myogenx and i can across bodybuilding.com
they sell it but the dose is double then the one on protien factorys site. did they change it? and if they did why?
 
Nelson Montana said:
One serving right before training will provide strength and a fuller pump and and one right after to help maintain it. Although there should be an immediate reaction the effects will accumulate over the next few weeks.


Right before as in 5 minutes? Or 30 minutes? Or.....


Thanks...
 
boston: Yeah, 10 minutes or so. It doesn't have to be that specific.

As for the BIG BLAST, since I like the tropical orange I like it sweet. The combo of sucrolose with the natural sugars is really nice without it tasting too "fake."

I believe the dosage was changed in MyogenX to a smaller , more easily swallowed cap.
 
cipherking said:
hey nelson i was doing a search online of myogenx and i can across bodybuilding.com
they sell it but the dose is double then the one on protien factorys site. did they change it? and if they did why?

We made the pills 1/2 as big and gave you 2x as many. This way you can take half a dose, or whatever.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
We made the pills 1/2 as big and gave you 2x as many. This way you can take half a dose, or whatever.
anthony, i didnt know u were so well known all over the net. I dont know how u get anything done being on so many boards..lol i didnt find a single bad thing about myogenx thats what made me order it yesturday. keep up the research u are doing,people like me really apreicate being able to put on muscle with out sticking my self.thanks.
 
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